Banzuke Kyushu Basho 2007

[Itachiyama]

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Edited October 28, 2007 by Itachiyama

[Itachiyama]

Hakuho-Y-Asashoryu

Kotomitsuki-O1-Chiyotaikai

Kotooshu-O2-Kaio

Aminishiki-S-Asasekiryu

Ama-K-Kotoshogiku

Homasho-M1-Miyabiyama

Kisenosato-M2-Dejima

Kakuryu-M3-Tokitenku

Toyonoshima-M4-Kyokutenho

Takekaze-M5-Kasugao

Tamanoshima-M6-Goeido

Toyohibiki-M7-Tochinonada

Wakanosato-M8-Takamisakari

Tamakasuga-M9-Futeno

Hokutoriki-M10-Yoshikaze

Tosanoumi-M11-Tokitsuumi

Hakurozan-M12-Roho

Wakanoho-M13-Kokkai

Kaiho-M14-Kakizoe

Wakakirin-M15-Tochiozan

Kasuganishiki-M16-Baruto

[Itachiyama]

Juryo:

Iwakiyama-J1-Toyozakura

Hochiyama-J2-Hakuba

Tochinohana-J3-Otsukasa

Shimootori-J4-Kitazakura

Chiyohakuho-J5-Ryuo

Shunketsu-J6-Kotokasuga

Kitataiki-J7-Ushiomaru

Koryu-J8-Masatsukasa

Satoyama-J9-Hoshihikari

Mokonami-J10-Shirononami

Ichihara-J11-Katayama

Jumonji-J12-Asofuji

Sakaizawa-J13-Kyokunankai

Sagatsukasa-J14-Yoshiazuma

Edited October 28, 2007 by Itachiyama

[Itachiyama]

Makushita 15:

Tochinoshin-Ms1-Kimurayama

Sokokurai-Ms2-Tamawashi

Ryuho-Ms3-Yakigaya

Shimoda-Ms4-Kirinowaka

Tochisakae-Ms5-Bushuyama

Tamarikido-Ms6-Nakanishi

Mori-Ms7-Asahimaru

Hokutokuni-Ms8-Daimanazuru

Kaonishiki-Ms9-Kobo

Kirinoumi-Ms10-Dairaido

Tokusegawa-Ms11-Takunishiki

Wakatenro-Ms12-Ryugi

Hoshikaze-Ms13-Nakano

Towanoyama-Ms14-Dewaotori

Kagaya-Ms15-Sadanofuji

Edited October 28, 2007 by Itachiyama

[yamaneko]

so no shikona change for ichihara yet

[Asashosakari]

so no shikona change for ichihara yet

That would have been announced on the Wednesday after Aki basho, as it was for Isobe/Sagatsukasa.

[madorosumaru]

In a surprising move, the Kyokai removed the retired Tokitsuumi from the Kyushu Basho banzuke and left a blank space in the maegashira 11 west slot. This is the first time in 134 years that something like this has happened. In 1873, Sekiwake Koyanagi and Maegashira Takasago were thrown out of ozumo for fomenting reforms. Their names were obliterated on the banzuke with black ink (sumi).

Normally, when a rikishi retires after the banzuke has already been formulated, his name will remain on the banzuke for the following basho. However, in this case, Tokitsuumi replaced the ousted Tokistukaze Oyakata and is listed as an oyakata. Since he cannot be listed both as a rikishi and an oyakata, the Kyokai had to take this measure.

A Kyokai insider said, "We considered [filling the blank space by] moving the adjacent names closer together but that would be confusing [in determining the ranking]. We had no choice but to leave the blank space."

[Kuroyama]

...My interest here was not his absence as a rikishi but how they deal with him having two presences within the same basho. It is similar to other retirees of course, although this one is perhaps a little different as he takes over teh heya immediately....

In retrospect, this turned out to be an insightful concern. It was more important that he not be named twice than that the banzuke should remain immutable.

[tympsa]

Baruto is M16E and Kasuganishiki M16 W. Roho, Kokkai,Kakizoe and Tochiozan are also East on their respective levels.

http://sumo.goo.ne.jp/eng/hon_basho/banzuk...zuke.php?kaku=1

Edited October 29, 2007 by tympsa

[Asysanyama]

Oh PLEASE NISHI, take some photos of this UNIQUE piece of collection and post them here as you usually do !

[Fukurou]

In a surprising move, the Kyokai removed the retired Tokitsuumi from the Kyushu Basho banzuke and left a blank space in the maegashira 11 west slot. This is the first time in 134 years that something like this has happened.

They must have gotten a good deal on white-out or something (Sign of approval...)

Normally, when a rikishi retires after the banzuke has already been formulated, his name will remain on the banzuke for the following basho. However, in this case, Tokitsuumi replaced the ousted Tokistukaze Oyakata and is listed as an oyakata. Since he cannot be listed both as a rikishi and an oyakata, the Kyokai had to take this measure.

A Kyokai insider said, "We considered [filling the blank space by] moving the adjacent names closer together but that would be confusing [in determining the ranking]. We had no choice but to leave the blank space."

This makes so much sense, I'm almost surprised someone at the NSK actually thought about it.

[Asashosakari]

...My interest here was not his absence as a rikishi but how they deal with him having two presences within the same basho. It is similar to other retirees of course, although this one is perhaps a little different as he takes over teh heya immediately....

In retrospect, this turned out to be an insightful concern. It was more important that he not be named twice than that the banzuke should remain immutable.

Yep. I'm having crow for dinner tonight. (Sign of approval...) The Kyokai sure is taking their prohibition on nimai-kansatsu seriously...and they must have found it quite important to erase all signs of Futatsuryu as quickly as possible.

BTW, this:

Hochiyama (J1e, 7-8)	J2  Hakuba (J3w, 8-7)
Tochinohana (J4w, 8-7)  J3  Otsukasa (J2e, 7-8)

is rather confusing, in a "now what's the secret message here?" way...

[Kintamayama]

Tosanoumi-M11-Tokitsuumi

Hakurozan-M12-Roho

Wakanoho-M13-Kokkai

Kaiho-M14-Kakizoe

Wakakirin-M15-Tochiozan

Kasuganishiki-M16-Baruto

Izutsu's banzuke screwed us mightily this time-last 5 ranks are BACKWARDS. Consequently, GTB must be re-counted..sorry about that..

Edit: I see they fixed theirs..

Edited October 29, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Gusoyama]

Any chance a person in the US can buy this basho's banzuke? Nishi? Others? I know I've gotten them in the past from Nishi, but I'm not sure he did his early morning run.

[Asashosakari]

Any chance a person in the US can buy this basho's banzuke? Nishi? Others? I know I've gotten them in the past from Nishi, but I'm not sure he did his early morning run.

I'd be interested in this one, too (for the obvious reason), so I'd like to second that question...

[Jonosuke]

Normally, when a rikishi retires after the banzuke has already been formulated, his name will remain on the banzuke for the following basho. However, in this case, Tokitsuumi replaced the ousted Tokistukaze Oyakata and is listed as an oyakata. Since he cannot be listed both as a rikishi and an oyakata, the Kyokai had to take this measure.

A Kyokai insider said, "We considered [filling the blank space by] moving the adjacent names closer together but that would be confusing [in determining the ranking]. We had no choice but to leave the blank space."

This makes so much sense, I'm almost surprised someone at the NSK actually thought about it.

Personally I felt there was nothing wrong with having the old Tokitsukaze name on the banzuke. But this more than anything else underscores a point that there is still a lot of resentment among certain oyakata towards the old oyakata and him brining in the shame to the Kyokai.

If they did not want to have his name stricken from the banzuke they did not have to do this so I guess this will tell us all that this incident really was once in 100 years occurrence.

[Jakusotsu]

Personally I felt there was nothing wrong with having the old Tokitsukaze name on the banzuke.

Pardon my ignorance: how does the new Tokitsukaze appear differently on the banzuke than the old one?

[Doitsuyama]

Personally I felt there was nothing wrong with having the old Tokitsukaze name on the banzuke.

Pardon my ignorance: how does the new Tokitsukaze appear differently on the banzuke than the old one?

It's actually easily recognizable as the new Tokitsukaze is in a different place in the oyakata part of the banzuke, namely on the left of the toshiyori section which indicates that he is a new toshiyori in the club. Of course it is made even easier as his name change is indicated as well with "Tokitsuumi changed to" written above the Tokitsukaze entry. See here in Nishinoshima's shot:

Edit: I forgot to mention that the new Tokitsukaze will be easily recognized in future banzuke as well because of the different first name, as the entry on the banzuke actually is "Tokitsukaze Masahiro" compared to "Tokitsukaze Junichi" for the old one.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Doitsuyama

[Bealzbob]

3 statistically interesting debutants in juryo for Kyushu.

Ichihara becomes the youngest current juryo rikishi at 23yrs 3mths.

Sagatsukasa becomes the shortest current sekitori rikishi @ 1.67m (Toyonoshima is 1.68m) .

Yoshiazuma becomes the 3rd tallest current sekitori @ 1.96m (Kotooshu is 2.03m and Baruto is 1.97m), he also becomes the tallest current juryo rikishi (Kitazakura is 1.90m) and the tallest current Japanese sekitori (again, Kitazakura is 2nd).

[Fay]

Hakurozan-M12-Roho

Wakanoho-M13-Kokkai

These four are close in terms of geography, friendship and now banzuke position. If I'm not mistaken as well as it being the first time Wakanoho has been ahead of any of them it is also the first time Hakurozan has been ranked higher than his older brother.

Fortunately Roho must not be ashamed, cause the ranks were transposed a bit.

Roho Maegashira12 Hakurozan

Kokkai Maegashira13 Wakanoho

[kaiguma]

Hakurozan-M12-Roho

Wakanoho-M13-Kokkai

These four are close in terms of geography, friendship and now banzuke position. If I'm not mistaken as well as it being the first time Wakanoho has been ahead of any of them it is also the first time Hakurozan has been ranked higher than his older brother.

Fortunately Roho must not be ashamed, cause the ranks were transposed a bit.

Roho Maegashira12 Hakurozan

Kokkai Maegashira13 Wakanoho

Oh, but he has already been shamed!

Nagoya 2006 Hakurozan held his highest rank, M2E, while the older bigger stronger bitterer Roho was at M3E.

[Bealzbob]

Also just noticed that Ichihara is only the 4th rikishi EVER from Kise-beya to be a sekitori rikishi. He is the first this century and the first since Tengoyama in 1983 ! Must be a tiny heya. Will the heya get more of an income (or more of an anything) having a sekitori in their ranks now ?

You also have to go back to Kyushu 2005 to find more Japanese rikishi in the top 14 spots. There are 9 Japanese rikishi from Yokozuna to M2W (Dejima). Back in Kyushu 2005 there were 10 Japanese rikishi from yokozuna down to (ironically also) Dejima in M3W.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Bealzbob

[Asashosakari]

Also just noticed that Ichihara is only the 4th rikishi EVER from Kise-beya to be a sekitori rikishi. He is the first this century and the first since Tengoyama in 1983 ! Must be a tiny heya.

Well, fourth sekitori from a Kise-beya. The current one has only been in existence since December 2003. The previous heya existed from 1958 to 2001 and was folded into Kiriyama-beya.

Edited October 30, 2007 by Asashosakari

[Bealzbob]

Interesting. So does the Kise-beya that Banjaku belonged to still survive today under another name ?

[Doitsuyama]

Interesting. So does the Kise-beya that Banjaku belonged to still survive today under another name ?

I wouldn't think so. When a heya folds, and all rikishi and other associated personal (gyoji, yobidashi etc.) join other heya, I wouldn't speak of survival. The heya history is dead for what it matters.