NSK conspiracy against Asa

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

That wouldn't have happened because Asa didn't think for a second that he is doing anything wrong, so would never have thought to ask permission.BTW, he didn't ask permission to go to mongolia either..

Any phone would not help. The punishment was decided already. Here previous posts proNSKs wrote the punishment is long overdue . NSK was waiting for one more Yokozuna, one more mistake from Asa and of course media/public against ASA. Obvoiuslu Asa is only wrestler, not politician.

1. He was always in Mongolia after every basho. Did he ask permission everytime?

is it required to ask permission? Is the any regulation/law that should be handbook of sumo wrestlers?

2. Everyone pro -NSK say he did wrong and so on.

Is there investigation report about how this happened except media and public opinion?

Edited August 6, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Kintamayama]

Another feverish theory- this should forever put to rest the yaocho allegations against Asa, no? If the NSK thought Asa "knew too much" and may spill the beans, wouldn't they have been more careful with the punishment?

Edited August 6, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Randomitsuki]

2. Everyone pro -NSK say he did wrong and so on.

Is there investigation report about how this happened except media and public opinion?

If you want independent pro-Asashoryu reports I suggest you check the Sumo Mailing List and Sumotalk. There you can read a lot in defense of Asashoryu. I do you a favor and sum up a couple of arguments brought forward on these pages (that's at least how I understood the line of reasoning):

1) "Asashoryu is not to blame because everyone who supports the NSK view is an irrational idiot. I must know because I know everything about every sport. And the Kyokai is a bunch of capitalist idiots."

2) "I once dissed a girlfried because I am such an extremely tough hombre. The reason for me dissing her was that she was pouting. The jungyo organizers are pouting (just like my girlfriend), so they deserve a good bashing. All Japanese deserve a good bashing for their constant pouting."

3) "Asashoryu is not to blame because I once had dinner with him, and he appears to be a nice guy."

[Kotonosato]

2. Everyone pro -NSK say he did wrong and so on.

Is there investigation report about how this happened except media and public opinion?

If you want independent pro-Asashoryu reports I suggest you check the Sumo Mailing List and Sumotalk. There you can read a lot in defense of Asashoryu. I do you a favor and sum up a couple of arguments brought forward on these pages (that's at least how I understood the line of reasoning):

1) "Asashoryu is not to blame because everyone who supports the NSK view is an irrational idiot. I must know because I know everything about every sport. And the Kyokai is a bunch of capitalist idiots."

2) "I once dissed a girlfried because I am such an extremely tough hombre. The reason for me dissing her was that she was pouting. The jungyo organizers are pouting (just like my girlfriend), so they deserve a good bashing. All Japanese deserve a good bashing for their constant pouting."

3) "Asashoryu is not to blame because I once had dinner with him, and he appears to be a nice guy."

I recognize 1 and 3 from the SML (perfect summaries, I might add). I guess 2 must be from Sumotalk. I see I'm not missing anything over there.

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

2. Everyone pro -NSK say he did wrong and so on.

Is there investigation report about how this happened except media and public opinion?

If you want independent pro-Asashoryu reports I suggest you check the Sumo Mailing List and Sumotalk. There you can read a lot in defense of Asashoryu. I do you a favor and sum up a couple of arguments brought forward on these pages (that's at least how I understood the line of reasoning):

1) "Asashoryu is not to blame because everyone who supports the NSK view is an irrational idiot. I must know because I know everything about every sport. And the Kyokai is a bunch of capitalist idiots."

2) "I once dissed a girlfried because I am such an extremely tough hombre. The reason for me dissing her was that she was pouting. The jungyo organizers are pouting (just like my girlfriend), so they deserve a good bashing. All Japanese deserve a good bashing for their constant pouting."

3) "Asashoryu is not to blame because I once had dinner with him, and he appears to be a nice guy."

well, your response is reflection of your mental state, i guess.

I asked simple question. I don't need to read any defense report.

1. Is Yokozuna required to ask permission to go home in between basho? Is the any regulation/law that is basic manner handbook of sumo wrestlers?

2. Except angry media and public opinion, is there investigation report about wrong/criminal activity of Yokozuna?

[Sokkenaiyama]

Another feverish theory- this should forever put to rest the yaocho allegations against Asa, no? If the NSK thought Asa "knew too much" and may spill the beans, wouldn't they have been more careful with the punishment?

An interesting theory, Mr. D, but spilling the beans would be the single stupidest thing he could do. The NSK would kick him out faster than Dejima did a coupla basho ago on day 3. And, let's be serious, Asashoryu can still rake in some serious dough, suspension or not.

Edited August 6, 2007 by Sokkenaiyama

[Kintamayama]

Another feverish theory- this should forever put to rest the yaocho allegations against Asa, no? If the NSK thought Asa "knew too much" and may spill the beans, wouldn't they have been more careful with the punishment?

An interesting theory, Mr. D, but spilling the beans would be the single stupidest thing he could do. The NSK would kick him out faster than Dejima did a coupla basho ago on day 3. And, let's be serious, Asashoryu can still rake in some serious dough, suspension or not.

I didn't say they would, but if they knew his bouts were rigged like the rag says, wouldn't they be a bit worried he might retire and run to the press and cause the worst damage to sumo there ever was, raking in a lot more millions than he can ever dream of?

[Kintamayama]

I asked simple question. I don't need to read any defense report.

1. Is Yokozuna required to ask permission to go home in between basho? Is the any regulation/law that is basic manner handbook of sumo wrestlers?

Yes. At all times. At least from his Oyakata, who has lost control of him ages ago and covers up for him regularly with rather lame excuses when caught.

2. Except angry media and public opinion, is there investigation report about wrong/criminal activity of Yokozuna?

No, except the ongoing trial where a newspaper accused Asa of "buying" his bouts regularly, which could be seen by some as criminal. I don't understand the relevance of this question. Maybe if you explained i could give a better answer.

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

No, except the ongoing trial where a newspaper accused Asa of "buying" his bouts regularly, which could be seen by some as criminal. I don't understand the relevance of this question. Maybe if you explained i could give a better answer.

So , there is no investigation report of his wrongdoing.

It sounds very abnormal to punish anyone without investigation process/ without producing any official investigation report.

I think, on top of being mongolian he is not convinced properly for his wrongdoing, it is no wonder why Asa does not understand his mistake and in shock. He still thinks himself "right" and victimized over "little error".

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

I suggest you check the Sumo Mailing List and Sumotalk.

Thanks for this link.

I found some reasonable timeline of Asa case

July 26 or 27th (guessing here) - Video footage of Asashoryu playing soccer is broadcast in Japan on what they call Wideshows,

which are morning to mid afternoon gossip type shows geared at housewives. They take newspaper articles and paste them on a wall and then use a pointer with a big, fat, plastic white hand on the end to point out each article as they discuss it.

July 29th - Elections are held in Japan where the people vote for members of the Legislative branch in the government called the National Diet. This is the most boring television time of the year the Japanese people freely admit. Mainstream television is obligated the cover the event heavily, so for the weekend of the elections, the shelves of video stores nationwide are emptier than the inside of Paris Hilton's head. The whole reason I mention this is I think the media was dying for something else to cover than the boring elections.

July 30th - Asashoryu returns from Mongolia by order of the Sumo Association, who didn't ask him to return until the story blew up in the press. Upon arriving at Narita Airport, Asashoryu immediately meets his oyakata and the two head for the Ryogoku Kokugikan to meet with Kitanoumi Rijicho.

July 31st - An emergency meeting of the Board of Directors is called for the next day while the members of the Exhibition Tournament Committee cry to the press saying they want the Yokozuna banned from even the jungyo. In the meantime, the Mongolian Government issues a formal apology through the Mongolian Embassy saying that they persuaded Asashoryu to join the event despite his wishes not to and his explaining to them that he was home to rehab his injuries.

August 1st - The board hands down Asashoryu and Takasago-oyakata's punishment

when Asa arrived in Mongolia?

when was that soccer game?

when jungyo starts? Sorry for my ignorance about sumo details, just trying figure out

Edited August 6, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Randomitsuki]

when Asa arrived in Mongolia?

when was that soccer game?

when jungyo starts? Sorry for my ignorance about sumo details, just trying figure out

1) not sure, probably on 23rd or 24th of July.

2) not sure, probably on 24th or 25th of July.

3) The jungyo tour has started on August 3rd and runs until August 20th.

[Asashosakari]

So , there is no investigation report of his wrongdoing.

It sounds very abnormal to punish anyone without investigation process/ without producing any official investigation report.

Just because it's not publically available doesn't mean there was no full investigation by the Kyokai. And if you're looking for an outside investigation - why? Asashoryu violated the terms of his employment (more or less); there's zero reason for anybody outside to get involved, unless Asashoryu decided to sue the Kyokai in a court of law.

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

Just because it's not publically available doesn't mean there was no full investigation by the Kyokai. And if you're looking for an outside investigation -

Well, whole case is public now. Sumo is national sport of Japan. Punishment is already handed over publicly and publicised. I don't see any reason of that NSK investigation report be "not available", if the report exists

why?

Asashoryu violated the terms of his employment (more or less); there's zero reason for anybody outside to get involved, unless Asashoryu decided to sue the Kyokai in a court of law.

Employment term? What term precisly, he violated. You know all these employment contract/ employment term/ its violation/ required punishments should shown on investigation report of ASA case.

In my opinion, sooner or later he should fight in court? But I am not sure about the system

Edited August 6, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Asashosakari]

You know all these employment contract/ employment term/ its violation/ required punishments should shown on investigation report of ASA case.

Don't hold your breath waiting.

[Sokkenaiyama]

Another feverish theory- this should forever put to rest the yaocho allegations against Asa, no? If the NSK thought Asa "knew too much" and may spill the beans, wouldn't they have been more careful with the punishment?

An interesting theory, Mr. D, but spilling the beans would be the single stupidest thing he could do. The NSK would kick him out faster than Dejima did a coupla basho ago on day 3. And, let's be serious, Asashoryu can still rake in some serious dough, suspension or not.

I didn't say they would, but if they knew his bouts were rigged like the rag says, wouldn't they be a bit worried he might retire and run to the press and cause the worst damage to sumo there ever was, raking in a lot more millions than he can ever dream of?

Maybe he could get the same amount of money, or even more, but think about the effect that maneuver would have on his image. Everyone would remember him as the traitor Yokozuna. And there's also the bird in the hand factor. He's already BIG in sumo, and if he were to give that up, he'd have to work hard to get back to this level (in some other activity). On the other hand, he could probably retire right now, buy a small island in the Pacific, and found his own country, so... we can't really know for sure, can we...

[Kintamayama]

Maybe he could get the same amount of money, or even more, but think about the effect that maneuver would have on his image. Everyone would remember him as the traitor Yokozuna. And there's also the bird in the hand factor. He's already BIG in sumo, and if he were to give that up, he'd have to work hard to get back to this level (in some other activity). On the other hand, he could probably retire right now, buy a small island in the Pacific, and found his own country, so... we can't really know for sure, can we...

No, everyone will remember him as the "pawn yokozuna who was part of a widespread dirty deal and decided to vindicate himself after his employers sold him out to greedy local promoters". And he can't afford to buy any island with the money he has now.

No?

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

And he can't afford to buy any island with the money he has now.

I think he does not interest island. After all this, he fed up with "islands"

He already has large property in his province

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The sumo champion, the sickie and the story that shook Japan

Mongolian-born Asashoryu has always cut a controversial figure in his adopted country. So the sight of him playing football when he was on sick leave, and rumours that he wants to retire, have caused uproar.

By David McNeill

Published: 07 August 2007

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2841344.ece

Edited August 7, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Guest Mulan]

To my understanding is there is a campaign to get Asa out of sumo because he was too successful and made many Japanese feel bad about foreigners taking leading positions in their national sport. Don't know who is standing behind this campaign but seems that many people were quite irritated that Asa won July last basho. Even special people with loud speakers were organized yelling "Get rid of Asa from Japanese national sport". It is obvious that there is somebody staying behind all these. I believe that with such nationalistic attitude NEVER sumo will become Olympic sport.

[Yuriyama Ren]

I believe that with such nationalistic attitude NEVER sumo will become Olympic sport.

Well. I'm not the best informed guy in these matters but I'll try to explain how I can.

There are two flavours of sumo: oozumo and amasumo. When there is talk about sumo becoming olympic sport then it refers to amasumo only. NSK governs the oozumo and is in no way interested in turning it into olympic sport.

Even if amasumo became an olympic event, the oozumo wrestlers would not participate in it.

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

If Mongolian member think the Sumo Kyokai is racist they should consider some facts.

[*]Mongolian sumo bans foreigners. Japanese sumo does not.

Unlike sumo, Mongolian national wrestling is not suffering from shortage of wrestlers/ shortage of audience. And it is exclusively Mongolian sport.

There is no ban on foreign wrestlers, but no one want to see foreign champions in Naadam. It is has nothing to do with racism, but political. So called "foreign wrestlers" in Mongolia would be only ethnic Mongolian from Russia (Buryat, Tuva) or China (Inner Mongolia). If they were wrestling under Russian or Chinese flag in Naadam, it is very wrong politically. Mongolian wrestling has well known high ranked Kazakh wrestler who are Mongolian citizen.

Edited August 10, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Sasanishiki]

There is no ban on foreign wrestlers, but no one want to see foreign champions in Naadam. It is has nothing to do with racism, but political.

Exactly the same can be said for sumo. I'm sure there are ordinary Japanese (not the Kyokai) who would love to see Japanese wrestlers doing really well and filling ozeki and yokozuna ranks in teh banzuke. They are not racist but would like to see Japan's sport dominated by Japanese. Again, this does not exclude foreigners but seeks to promote Japan.

However, as Jonosuke and Hananotaka said, this is about someone skiping out on his work saying he is physically unable to do his duties. He is then shown to be able to do some physical activities, and so it is thought that he should have exerted himself as best he could (perhaps dohyo-iri or even just supporting the jungyou) at his job rather than being elsewhere and exerting himself.

Edited August 11, 2007 by Sasanishiki