Hakuho would want Asa to stay on

[Indrid]

i think that besides Asahoryu, hakuho is the guy most interested that Asashoryu does not quit. Even if hakuho wins the next 20 bashos in a row, people will still be wondering what if, and consequently Hakuho will not gain that easily that status of a great rikishi, if that should ever happen.

just my opinion

Edited August 21, 2007 by Indrid

[Blue_Wolf]

I don't know. In my view Asashoryu is still the very best in this sport. He can win more yusho's than Hakuho in 1-2 years. And who knows what will happen to them in future.

[Indrid]

Even if hakuho wins the next 20 bashos in a row, people will still be wondering what if, and consequently Hakuho will not gain that easily that status of a great rikishi,

I don't really agree with that. I mean it would be great to have two strong yokozuna facing off but I think that Asashoryu already had his peak time from the start of 2004 to the end of 2006. Hakuho is the rising force and I think Asashoryu would have struggled a lot to take many more yusho.

it is quite hard for me too see Asashoryu as a over-the-hill athlete. the fire is still there, he just won the last basho. and for some reason, if Asas retires, i do not see Hakuho winning 7 tournaments in a row. in my opinion, Hakuho gives other rikishi a better chance to advance to yokozuna than Asa ever did.

but who knows? maybe Hakuho will surprise all of those who do not have as much faith in him (me included) and turns out a great yokozuna

[Indrid]

he just won the last basho

Yes but Hakuho was in his promotion basho. Hakuho won in March and May and I can easily see him winning the vast majority of yusho for the next few years.

oh, i agree. without Asa, Hakuho is favorite. but i do not think he will dominate like Asa did.

just my premature impression.

[Hananotaka]

oh, i agree. without Asa, Hakuho is favorite. but i do not think he will dominate like Asa did.

just my premature impression.

Consider this question. Since Hatsu of 2006, Asashoryu has won six yusho. Who won the other four?

[Indrid]

oh, i agree. without Asa, Hakuho is favorite. but i do not think he will dominate like Asa did.

just my premature impression.

Consider this question. Since Hatsu of 2006, Asashoryu has won six yusho. Who won the other four?

yup.

got me.

[Manekineko]

Hiya. Back from holidays and decided to split this off from Asa hot water mess, 'cause I think it could be an interesting self-standing topic.

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

How about rumor on Hakuho's intention to change his citizentship?

Isn't his father-in-law hinting about future possiblities of Hakuho becoming Japanese citizen, probably in near future

Edited August 24, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Otokonoyama]

How about rumor on Hakuho's intention to change his citizentship?

Isn't his father-in-law hinting about future possiblities of Hakuho becoming Japanese citizen, probably in near future

Interesting indeed. Sources, my good man, sources.

[AOZORA]

How about rumor on Hakuho's intention to change his citizentship?

Isn't his father-in-law hinting about future possiblities of Hakuho becoming Japanese citizen, probably in near future

I take it just stupid gossip from Mongolian yellow papers which journalists just write their stupid, weird calumniation

as a definite source.

I have looked over Japanese news about this topic, even could not find a single word releted this gossip.

Do not trust these yellow papers (including Japanese too), my friend, they are not even worth of toilet paper.

[ilovesumo]

Yellow press or not, it's very possible. First steps are done and Hakuho is playing the japanese game very well and

knows how to behave- if people do, it's easy there, just play on if you once understood. Why not becoming Oyakata later? That's what most of them want to. Ok, the european Rikishi I asked about it, answered with NO, but they are not in the same sphere.

Back to the topic- If Hakuho want's Asa back or not, one sole leader........two is much better.

[Sasanishiki]

How about rumor on Hakuho's intention to change his citizentship?

Isn't his father-in-law hinting about future possiblities of Hakuho becoming Japanese citizen, probably in near future

I would suggest that his father-in-law is interested in securing Hakuho's future and thus the future of his daughter. Having Hakuho secure a kabu and having a job within the kyokai until he is 65 is obviously of interest as his career could be over at any moment due to injury.

[Jonosuke]

Having Hakuho secure a kabu and having a job within the kyokai until he is 65 is obviously of interest as his career could be over at any moment due to injury.

Risk of injury or prospect of not having a kabu hasn't fazed the other yokozuna to go out and obtain the citizenship though.

Some men appear to chase a bigger dream or think outside the box.....

Edited August 27, 2007 by Jonosuke

[Coo-cook]

Having Hakuho secure a kabu and having a job within the kyokai until he is 65 is obviously of interest as his career could be over at any moment due to injury.

Risk of injury or prospect of not having a kabu hasn't fazed the other yokozuna to go out and obtain the citizenship though.

Some men appear to chase a bigger dream or think outside the box.....

"Mongolians (specially Asa) refusing to become Japanese citizen" topic is nothing to do with Japan or Kyokai, I think.

In case Mongolians would accept Japanese citizenship they have to give up their Mongolian citizenship. That's the problem, here.

There is a big debate on whether Mongolia would accept dual citizenship right now...and Mongolians are devided on this issue.

Edited August 27, 2007 by Coo-cook

[Sasanishiki]

"Mongolians (specially Asa) refusing to become Japanese citizen" topic is nothing to do with Japan or Kyokai, I think.

In case Mongolians would accept Japanese citizenship they have to give up their Mongolian citizenship. That's the problem, here.

There is a big debate on whether Mongolia would accept dual citizenship right now...and Mongolians are devided on this issue.

I don't think Japan allows dual citizenship either...

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

I don't think Japan allows dual citizenship either...

that makes things even clear. No one allowed sit on the fence

Edited August 27, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Manekineko]

Ilovesumo's OT moved to its own thread by her request. :-)

[Bataa]

Don't trust those rumours.Even if Hakuhos father in law is intending that,it will not happen.Hakuho's father Munkhbat Avarga will never ever allow him to give up his Mongolian citizenship.It was badd enough that he married a japanese.If Hakuho does that he will shame his father so grossly and i bet he will live in shame for the rest of his life.Anyways i hope hakuho's not that stupid.

[Doitsuyama]

If Hakuho does that he will shame his father so grossly and i bet he will live in shame for the rest of his life.Anyways i hope hakuho's not that stupid.

That sounds quite nationalistic to me.

I guess the U.S.A. are quite proud of their nation as well and I wonder what the fathers of Akebono and Musashimaru said when both became Japanese citizen in 1996?

[Jakusotsu]

Not to mention the fathers of Kyokutenho and Kyokutenzan...

[Otokonoyama]

In the old days, regaining U.S. citizenship was a mere paperwork formality for those who wanted to. In the new political climate, I'm not sure if that's still the case.

[sekitori]

In the old days, regaining U.S. citizenship was a mere paperwork formality for those who wanted to. In the new political climate, I'm not sure if that's still the case.

It still sounds pretty much like a paperwork formality. But unfortunately, it doesn't transfer citizenship to children born while those people were no longer American citizens. Since the children are not ciitzens, they would have to go through the naturalization process to become citizens.

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Today, someone who lost U.S. citizenship because of failure to meet the retention requirements, may regain his citizenship upon application and upon taking the oath of allegiance, provided he is not excluded because he advocates totalitarian forms of government. This amendment does not restore citizenship retroactively; therefore, these persons would be unable to transmit citizenship to their children born during the period between their loss of and restoration to U.S. citizenship.

Upon presentation of documentation supporting a claim to U.S. citizenship, the applicant should fill out and sign a statement in the presence of a U.S. consular officer.

[Doitsuyama]

In the old days, regaining U.S. citizenship was a mere paperwork formality for those who wanted to. In the new political climate, I'm not sure if that's still the case.

It still sounds pretty much like a paperwork formality. But unfortunately, it doesn't transfer citizenship to children born while those people were no longer American citizens. Since the children are not ciitzens, they would have to go through the naturalization process to become citizens.

I'm not sure if that is relevant to Akebono and Musashimaru. I think Musashimaru doesn't have children yet. Akebono does, but the mother of the children is American.

[Gusoyama]

Bataa's point may have been alluding to the fact that Hakuho's father is a mongolian hero, being a Mongolian wrestling grand champion. Just a guess, don't shoot the messenger.

[Bishonohana]

I guess I don't undertand what's wrong with being a Japanese citizen, if you want to? (I am not worthy...) Is it a betrayal of your original country? (Laughing...) Is it because Hakuho's Father is a Mongolian hero?? (Shaking head...)