Asa in hot water-thread 2

[kaiguma]

It's like you are admitted to a mental institution and then saying you are all fine and and leave there.

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest . . .

Ken Kesey anyone?

[Kintamayama]

An employee of Dreamland has told a friend that Asashouryuu has been eating udon and meat since his arrival. OTOH, Asa has not left his luxurious second floor lodgings because of the media frenzy. The institution at Khujirt is on a 24 hour alert and is staying open, says the friend. "When he first arrived, he just had some soup, but from the next day he had Mongolian style udon and meat", said the insider. It is rumored that in Tokyo he only ate soup and drank water, so the air in Mongolia must have whetted his appetite. As for the media, they are camped out outside Dreamland with cameras waiting to catch a glimpse of the yokozuna. Relatives warned him of that, so he doesn't leave the room for now. The relatives have been dining at a restaurant outside the premises, but Asa has not joined them there to date. His room is so secluded that even the employee is not allowed to enter. It is said that he stayed in the same room two years ago during the "opening party" of the resort, that supposedly went on for three days.

As for the onsen in Khujirt, it is usually open 9-5, but is on 24 hour call in anticipation of Asa visiting. A room on the third floor has been reserved for him, but the media camped outside (40 people) is stopping him from arriving. He is putting off getting treated because he hates the Japanese press, and is yet to show any remorse about ignoring the jungyo, says the article in summary.

[Kintamayama]

Two caricatures of Takasago Oyakata sent to me by a source in Tokyo-can anyone translate what it says?

Edited September 2, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Sasanishiki]

The overall question is how can a patient declare himself to be healthy by himself and get himself out? It's like you are admitted to a mental institution and then saying you are all fine and and leave there.

I suspect the same way that the patient got himself into the type of treatment that he wanted (ie., in Mongolia rather than Japan) - by getting a doctor he is friends with to make the diagnosis. Like you said, it does make you wonder about the initial diagnosis (Blushing...)

[Jonosuke]

Two caricatures of Takasago Oyakata sent to me by a source in Tokyo-can anyone translate what it says?

(Right Pic)

August 9 Takasago oyakata forced to wait for close to three minutes at his deshi's apartment building door.

The agonizing press conferess - unable to say when it would come to pass.

I will keep coming back until I can convince him either to be hospitalized or go to to a hospital.

Came back again on 10th and found to be still feeling ill, going home after 10 minutes. Well I will after he gets a treatment and better, throiwng the spoon.

(Left pic)

The oyakata is also at the dohyo edge (sweating profusely)

I will accompany him to Mongolia to get him treated and observe his conduct. I will get him focus fully on the treatment. I will take the full responsiblity.

[Kintamayama]

Rijikai members are angry at Takasago again. "The rijikai decided on Asashouryuu's Mongolian return. One of the stipulations was that Takasago is taking full responsibility and will be telling us what's happening. He hasn't met with us yet-he only met with the rijicho!!", some angry voices complained.

As for Asa's projected return in three weeks as reported by his brother- "It won't be during the basho, that's for sure-there is no fixed date yet".

Rumor had it that Asa will return on senshuraku, apologize publicly, then apologize to his heya's supporters at the Takasago senshuraku party. Now, the rumor is he will return sometime between the end of September and the beginning of the Aki Jungyo on October 6th. Still Takasago was not impressed by all the guesswork. "The key factor is his mental state. We'll have to wait and see", he said.

Edited September 3, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama]

After getting chewed out by his mates from the rijikai, Takasago has sent each of them a mail telling them what the treatment situation is at present. "Basically, I wrote them what I said at the press conference, concerning the treatment, institute, local doctor, etc..", he said. He also said that Dr. Honda who flew with them to Mongolia and returned with him a few days ago, will be visiting Mongolia during Aki basho.

Asahouryuu has notified Takasago Oyakata that he intends to start treatment at the Khujirt institute today. Results unknown yet.

[ilovesumo]

Rijikai members are angry at Takasago again. "The rijikai decided on Asashouryuu's Mongolian return. One of the stipulations was that Takasago is taking full responsibility and will be telling us what's happening. He hasn't met with us yet-he only met with the rijicho!!", some angry voices complained.

As for Asa's projected return in three weeks as reported by his brother- "It won't be during the basho, that's for sure-there is no fixed date yet".

Rumor had it that Asa will return on senshuraku, apologize publicly, then apologize to his heya's supporters at the Takasago senshuraku party. Now, the rumor is he will return sometime between the end of September and the beginning of the Aki Jungyo on October 6th. Still Takasago was not impressed by all the guesswork. "The key factor is his mental state. We'll have to wait and see", he said.

Men...when there is trouble, people go on and on...

politics...

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

The scapegoating of Asa

Champion's antics are least of sumo's worries

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20070904zg.html

Asa joined sumo at a young age for a foreign wrestler, rose fast to the top, and became an international ambassador for the sport. His job was to be both a hero and an attraction, and Asa has proven to be interesting and charismatic enough to attract viewers and sell tickets.

But it is possible to become too interesting, especially when a plethora of pitfalls await a young hero in an arena where you are supposed to do as you are told.

So when Asa took a summer break for "injuries" in Mongolia, and authorities as high as the Mongolian government (plus soccer star Hidetoshi Nakata) invited him more than once to join a soccer game for charity, it would have been churlish for him to refuse.

Then, as anyone with a TV knows, Asa went out on the pitch, showed some moves, and people concluded that Asa faked injury to duck his responsibilities.

Possibly. But for the sake of argument, let's play the devil's advocate here and ask some pertinent questions. Sure, in the seconds-long clips (not the whole game) replayed ad nauseam, he clowned around with some vim. But isn't that what he's been trained to do as a cultural ambassador

Edited September 4, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ss20070904mb.html

The king is all but dead

Edited September 4, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[obinishiki]

That`s a very well written article.

Thanx a lot for sharing. :-)

[Kintamayama]

At last some people start writing someting with common sense

So now you re basing your opinions on readers' comments to a newspaper? Excellent. you have me convinced now.

It won't help you though. Asa is out for 4 months. Asa has proven to be either a liar or a mental weakling. Asa is no longer regarded as a superhuman being. He is regarded by his fellow rikishi and many sumo fans (most of them who don't originate in foreign countries) as a grown up who hasn't grown up yet. His time is limited. He will move on to where the real money is. The sooner the better. Unfortunately, he doesn't GET it, just like you don't. I am surprised at how badly he doesn't get it. The signs were there, but we Asa fans chose to ignore them. Now, he has been seen in his glorious nakedness.

I don't see him fixing that image, unless he plays the game-in case you still don't get it, I mean apologize, apologize, apologize and humble himself. He has no choice but to do that. When he does, I wonder what you'll come up with as an excuse.

Edited September 4, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

Asa himself never claimed to be superhuman being. I or any Mongolian don't think of him as superhuman being. We all know he is one of us and proud of his achievement.

Rumor:- Asa and his camp is moving far west to another province Bayanhongor. There is another hot spring spa "Shargaljuut" in that province

Edited September 4, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Asashosakari]

The signs were there, but we Asa fans chose to ignore them.

:-O Whoah.

[Kintamayama]

Asa himself never claimed to be superhuman being. I or any Mongolian don't think of him as superhuman being. We all know he is one of us and proud of his achievement.

But he filled his opponents' heart with fear just by being himself. That's gone now.

Rumor:- Asa and his camp is moving far west to another province Bayanhongor. There is another hot spring spa "Shargaljuut" in that province

Rumor: The Japanese press camped outside his camp will follow him there. He hasn't left his camp so far because of them, his people say. So what will he achieve? Nothing. He doesn't really need any treatment. There's nothing wrong with him. His "serious" physical ailments (which he suffered from while winning the yusho easily..) have probably cured themselves by now thanks to the rest. What he needs is immediate training, otherwise his muscles will start to turn to flab..

Edited September 4, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama]

The signs were there, but we Asa fans chose to ignore them.

:-O Whoah.

OK, I chose to ignore them..

[Kintamayama]

"I'm not going to retire because of this!!", declared Asashouryuu yesterday. Although he was offered close to 25 million dollars by a certain Martial Arts group, he has no intention of going that way. Training equipment has been brought in to Dreamland, and Asa intends to start training on his own. Asa has said all of this to Japanese acquaintances. "With all the uproar this has caused, I really don't know what the best thing to do is.. But even if I am at the core of this uproar, there is no way I'm quitting. At this point I have no intention of consulting with anyone," he said. It seems many are not buying his mental problem,although he is the only one who really knows what he is going through, and that seems to cause him a lot of pain. He hasn't lost his sense of judgment totally, but the ups and downs of his emotions are strong. Although many Japanese fans don't feel it, Asa has a profound love for Sumo. "I still want to yusho!", he said. He does not want to throw away the chance to reach the next two milestones-one yusho to tie Takanohana, three to tie Kitanoumi.

He was joined by two brothers and his father yesterday. They brought some training equipment with them, and , upon permission of his doctor, he is planning to start his physical rehabilitation on his own. His body knows that without a dohyo and a mawashi he would be very hard-pressed to fully recover. Still, this would be the first step towards stepping on the dohyo when he returns to Japan. "I know I owe an explanation to the fans and the Kyokai, but why did I get into this situation..", he wondered.

Edited September 5, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

"I'm not going to retire because of this!!", declared Asashouryuu yesterday. Although he was offered by a certain Martial Arts group close to 25 million dollars, he has no intention of going that way. training equipment has been brought in to Dreamland, and Asa intends to start training on his own. Asa has said all of this to Japanese acquaintances. "With all the uproar this has caused, I really don't know what the best thing to do is.. But even if I am at the core of this uproar, there is no way I'm quitting. At this point I have no intention of consulting with anyone," he said. It seems many are not buying his mental problem,although he is the only one who really knows what he is going through, and that seems to cause him a lot of pain. He hasn't lost his sense of judgment totally, but the ups and downs of his emotions are strong. Although many Japanese fans don't feel it, Asa has a profound love for Sumo. "I still want to yusho!", he said. He does not want to throw away the chance to reach the next two milestones-one yusho to tie Takanohana, three to tie Kitanoumi.

He was joined by two brothers and his father yesterday. They brought some training equipment with them, and , upon permission of his doctor, he is planning to start his physical rehabilitation on his own. His body knows that without a dohyo and a mawashi he would be very hard-pressed to fully recover. Still, this would be the first step towards stepping on the dohyo when he returns to Japan. "I know I owe an explanation to the fans and the Kyokai, but why did I get into this situation..", he wondered.

good, foundation of Mongolian National Sumo :-O

start exercising with these thick guys

Edited September 5, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[ilovesumo]

"I know I owe an explanation to the fans and the Kyokai, but why did I get into this situation..", he wondered.

Thanks Moti.

Nice to "hear" something from him himself. The last sentence made my eyes wide...

[Taizeniki]

"I know I owe an explanation to the fans and the Kyokai, but why did I get into this situation..", he wondered.

Thanks Moti.

Nice to "hear" something from him himself. The last sentence made my eyes wide...

does he REALLY not know or understand? amazing.... :-O

Edited September 4, 2007 by Taizeniki

[Otokonoyama]

does he REALLY not know or understand? amazing.... :-O

I'm pretty sure Asashoryu understands quite well. He's merely refusing to do what is expected. I agree with many comments that an apology is necessary. I do diverge about the sincerity part. I agree it's necessary to appear to be sincere, but I don't believe for a second that various politicians and business people are actually sincere when they make public apologies. They are sorry they got caught, and fake sincerity in the manner expected, but they don't feel sorry about their actions one iota. This is where many foreigners get into trouble. They cannot bring themselves to fake an apology, no matter how much it's expected and accepted.

[Sasanishiki]

For someone supposedly with Dissociative Identity Disorder, Asashoryu certainly seems to be doing a lot of eloquent talking...

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

does he REALLY not know or understand? amazing.... :-O

I'm pretty sure Asashoryu understands quite well. He's merely refusing to do what is expected. I agree with many comments that an apology is necessary. I do diverge about the sincerity part. I agree it's necessary to appear to be sincere, but I don't believe for a second that various politicians and business people are actually sincere when they make public apologies. They are sorry they got caught, and fake sincerity in the manner expected, but they don't feel sorry about their actions one iota. This is where many foreigners get into trouble. They cannot bring themselves to fake an apology, no matter how much it's expected and accepted.

that Mongol Asashoryu can not fake it like Japanese does. Asashoryu certainly will not shed a tear for the incident. Most likely he will give an explanation for his action. It is like HEARING which NSC/Japanese media/some people did not allow Asashoryu to do.

For someone supposedly with Dissociative Identity Disorder, Asashoryu certainly seems to be doing a lot of eloquent talking...

Asashoryu did not say he has DID. Other diagnosed him like. You better say your word to those OTHERS

Edited September 5, 2007 by Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj

[Otokonoyama]

that Mongol Asashoryu can not fake it like Japanese does. Asashoryu certainly will not shed a tear for the incident. Most likely he will give an explanation for his action. It is like HEARING which NSC/Japanese media/some people did not allow Asashoryu to do.

An explanation won't cut it. The generalization of the Japanese being trained and educated to remove or disguise their personal feeling in their profession/public personna may explain why they are able to perform apologies on cue and be forgiven. Like it or not, these apologies should be prompt and follow the prescribed pattern. Asashoryu has already failed on both accounts. Right or wrong doesn't matter. He'll have a whale of a time being accepted now.

[Ikh Mongol Dagvadorj]

Asashoryu has already failed on both accounts. Right or wrong doesn't matter. He'll have a whale of a time being accepted now.

If right or worng does not matter, apology also does not matter, does it?

Also I doubt Asashoryu would aim to be accepted. All he wants is leave him alone, he just want to wrestle the SUMO