Sumo Reference Updates

[Doitsuyama]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

I forgot that Asahifuji even graduated  - he reentered Kindai while being active - he was officially in the sumo club there https://kindaipicks.com/article/002123

He was 20 when he joined ozumo and was close to two years member of the club, shouldn't that be enough then to have it on his page, like here: https://sumo-guide.com/kinki-university#i-24

Sure, that's enough, so I added it now. It's pretty similar to Miyabiyama after all. 

[Kaitetsu]

The JSA lists Shinannoumi's shikona first name as Momotaro but the DB has it as Shoto. And I think there were photos of him holding a paper with "Shonannoumi Momotaro" on it after promotion to juryo, didnt he change his first name shikona?

[Yubinhaad]

20 minutes ago, Kaitetsu said:

The JSA lists Shinannoumi's shikona first name as Momotaro but the DB has it as Shoto. And I think there were photos of him holding a paper with "Shonannoumi Momotaro" on it after promotion to juryo, didnt he change his first name shikona?

When you expand the results box on his Kyokai page, it's been Momotaro all along, but according to my files it had never been shown on there before so the database goes with the default, his real given name. From my own observation of such things, lower division rikishi always get their shikona given name added to their profile when they make a 6-0 start, and usually (but not always) when appearing in a kettei-sen (that is, a 6-1 in which they didn't start 6-0). Shonannoumi had not done either of those.

Shonannoumi fought Juryo bouts for the first time in the Kyushu basho, but I didn't think to check if that also triggers a given name profile update.

[specialweek 2]

We have had covid withdrawals over the last few years and I presume some matchups where both men are kyujo the next day.

How is that displayed on database? Trying to find when the last time it happened when both rikishi were injured and could not fight the next day.

[Kaitetsu]

2 hours ago, specialweek 2 said:

We have had covid withdrawals over the last few years and I presume some matchups where both men are kyujo the next day.

How is that displayed on database? Trying to find when the last time it happened when both rikishi were injured and could not fight the next day.

This happens: a double fusen loss

 

[Jakusotsu]

6 hours ago, Kaitetsu said:

This happens: a double fusen loss

Might as well happen tomorrow with Takarafuji-Tochinoshin...

[Chartorenji]

19 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Might as well happen tomorrow with Takarafuji-Tochinoshin...

Prisoners Dilemma. Do you show up injured in the rare hope that your opponent does not?

[Seiyashi]

Moot point for now, Tochinoshin has withdrawn, ostensibly for two weeks.

[Akinomaki]

Ochiai listed on the banzuke looks weird. He's a new recruit and just like the others in maezumo not on the banzuke, only competing at a makushita tsukedashi rank. The NSK lists him on the banzuke on their site, but he's not on the real printed banzuke. It would be better to ignore him on the banzuke for the DB, but would that avoid the problems on the torikumi in the future? Was it necessary to list him to avoid the problems?

Edited January 12, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Kaitetsu]

53 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Ochiai listed on the banzuke looks weird. He's a new recruit and just like the others in maezumo not on the banzuke, only competing at a makushita tsukedashi rank. The NSK lists him on the banzuke on their site, but he's not on the real printed banzuke. It would be better to ignore him on the banzuke for the DB, but would that avoid the problems on the torikumi in the future? Was it necessary to list him to avoid the problems?

Doesnt the DB always lists them like this everytime? When Kawazoe did his debut it looked exactly the same as Ochiai in the banzuke

[Akinomaki]

1 hour ago, Kaitetsu said:

Doesnt the DB always lists them like this everytime? When Kawazoe did his debut it looked exactly the same as Ochiai in the banzuke

It seems so, but I don't think we had these problems in the past, I think it's maybe the third time. 

[Jakusotsu]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

It seems so, but I don't think we had these problems in the past, I think it's maybe the third time. 

The only problem I see is that it took him several days to be added to the NSK website's banzuke. He was missing from my own initial grabbing as well.

[Yokozuna Hattorizakura]

Aoiyama v Chiyoshoma is showing up as 3-2 when it's lot more than that.

 

 

[Yarimotsu]

https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Kabu.aspx?rikishi=1227

Database is claiming Toyonoshima became Active Oyakata last month but surely it's supposed to be RO (retired-other)?

[Kaitetsu]

The JSA lists Oki’s shikona first name as Kasuke, not Kazuki.

https://www.sumo.or.jp/ResultRikishiData/profile/3496/

 

[Faustonowaka]

On 08/01/2023 at 10:37, Faustonowaka said:

Terunofuji’s rank on his page should be Ye1YO instead of Ye1 for this basho

This basho too

[Asashosakari]

The RM date for ex-Tagaryu was mistyped (should be 14.02.), which has the funky side effect that the Kagamiyama kabu currently shows up twice in the summary list.

22.07.2021 (HS) - 14.05.2023 (RM)	Kagamiyama[8] Shoji	S Tagaryu Shoji	Isenoumi	Tokitsukaze
15.02.2023 (ES) -	Kagamiyama[8] Shoji	S Tagaryu Shoji	Isenoumi	Tokitsukaze

 

Kabutoyama[10] Tsuyoshi	M11 Oikari Tsuyoshi	16.06.1972	Isenoumi	Tokitsukaze
Kagamiyama[8] Shoji	S Tagaryu Shoji	15.02.1958	Isenoumi	Tokitsukaze
Kagamiyama[8] Shoji	S Tagaryu Shoji	15.02.1958	Isenoumi	Tokitsukaze
Kasugayama[24] Shota	S Ikioi Shota	11.10.1986	Isenoumi	Tokitsukaze

[Akinomaki]

On 01/07/2016 at 17:53, Akinomaki said:

A note for Sumo Reference: likely Matsueyama had the same reading for his real name as Kotoeko, Kashiwadani instead of Kashiwaya, even if that was his first shikona.

A new article today made me remember this, Kotoeko and grandfather Matsueyama , but readings may change of course, also from Kashiwatani to Kashiwadani

[TAABAP]

Hello, Just wanted to know how can I suggest the updates to rikishi names for http://sumodb.sumogames.de

 

Some of the rikishi from Mongolia has their name spelled wrong in the database and wanted to suggest the fix.

 

For example the latest winner of Jonokuchi division Asahakuryu's name isn't spelled correctly.

Profile : http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12784

Current name : RAGUCHA Jamintkutoho

Suggested fix : RAGCHAA Jamintogtokh

[Yarimotsu]

10 hours ago, TAABAP said:

Hello, Just wanted to know how can I suggest the updates to rikishi names for http://sumodb.sumogames.de

 

Some of the rikishi from Mongolia has their name spelled wrong in the database and wanted to suggest the fix.

 

For example the latest winner of Jonokuchi division Asahakuryu's name isn't spelled correctly.

Profile :http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12784

Current name : RAGUCHA Jamintkutoho

Suggested fix : RAGCHAA Jamintogtokh

Thanks. You're in the right place - post a list of name corrections here and they should be updated eventually.

[Gurowake]

10 hours ago, TAABAP said:

Current name : RAGUCHA Jamintkutoho

Suggested fix : RAGCHAA Jamintogtokh

This is quite clearly due to having the names originally given to us in kana rather than in Roman letters.  If you have the preferred Roman spelling for non-Japanese names, that would be helpful, though I don't know what sort of source you'll need for them to convince Doitsuyama to make the change.

[Yarimotsu]

26 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

This is quite clearly due to having the names originally given to us in kana rather than in Roman letters.  If you have the preferred Roman spelling for non-Japanese names, that would be helpful, though I don't know what sort of source you'll need for them to convince Doitsuyama to make the change.

The first name that Taabap has given us is clearly a correct Mongolian name so I'd think that would be reason enough to trust him and change the names for Mongolian rikishi - Doitsuyama should have no incentive to leave them as Japangolian non-names.

[Bunbukuchagama]

43 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said:

The first name that Taabap has given us is clearly a correct Mongolian name so I'd think that would be reason enough to trust him and change the names for Mongolian rikishi - Doitsuyama should have no incentive to leave them as Japangolian non-names.

Рагчаа is a common enough Mongolian name, it seems. If you can read the Cyrillic alphabet, getting a proper Latin transcription shouldn't be a problem.

[Asashosakari]

FWIW, the Kyokai database has it as Ragchaa Jamiyantogtokh, so it's actually different between en and jp there.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Asashosakari

[Bunbukuchagama]

8 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

FWIW, the Kyokai database has it as Ragchaa Jamiyantogtokh, so it's actually different between en and jp there.

If Cyrillic spelling is Жамьянтогтох, this version seems quite precise.