Sumo Reference Updates

[Asashosakari]

Murata and Wakatakakage aren't tagged as sandanme-kaku debutants.

[Sakura]

I don't know if this the right place, but the Day 2 torikumi for Natsu is the same as day 1 on the database.

[Doitsuyama]

On 12.5.2017 at 21:13, Sakura said:

I don't know if this the right place, but the Day 2 torikumi for Natsu is the same as day 1 on the database.

I corrected this more than 3 hours before your post, which is somewhat irritating. Are there more problems?

[Sakura]

42 minutes ago, Doitsuyama said:

I corrected this more than 3 hours before your post, which is somewhat irritating. Are there more problems?

It was incorrect at the time of my post. I don't know whether it's an issue of timestamping on the forum or not. Maybe it was my cache?

I didn't see any other posts about the issue though anywhere. Maybe there were posts in unusual places or made in cryptic ways, so I made the assumption that it was ok to post this since it appeared that it hadn't been noted.

[Bumpkin]

1 hour ago, Sakura said:

It was incorrect at the time of my post. I don't know whether it's an issue of timestamping on the forum or not. Maybe it was my cache?

I didn't see any other posts about the issue though anywhere. Maybe there were posts in unusual places or made in cryptic ways, so I made the assumption that it was ok to post this since it appeared that it hadn't been noted.

For what it's worth, I can back-up Sakura. I checked immediately after she posted and it was not corrected yet. 

[Asashosakari]

Ditto here; I was still seeing the wrong bouts for Day 2 nearly a full day after Sakura's post.

[Asojima]

Was getting the same matches on both days at the time of Sakura's post, but have been getting the correct results today.  May be a browser cache problem (Firefox).

[Doitsuyama]

Ok then. I wonder what the displayed time of your post (Friday on 21:13) is actually meaning then...

[Asashosakari]

Some fixes mentioned elsewhere:

On 1.5.2017 at 01:57, Asashosakari said:

In addition to the actual shikona changes, the Kyokai has quietly fixed no less than three errors:

- Hiradomi is now listed as Hiradoumi (romaji transcription error; it's no different in kana from before)
- Takamayama is now listed as Takabayama (funny, I recall we were quite puzzled during last year's maezumo because it sure didn't sound like -ma- and I guess it never was supposed to do)
- Kodera is now listed as Kotera (changed for his real name, too)

 

Edited May 23, 2017 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari]

The Japanese data lists a shikona change for Tsugaruumi in Hatsu 2016, but nothing seems to have actually changed.

 

[PawnSums]

On ‎5‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 20:10, Sakura said:

or made in cryptic ways,

Yay I've been referenced

[Senkoho]

4 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

The Japanese data lists a shikona change for Tsugaruumi in Hatsu 2016, but nothing seems to have actually changed.

 

compare the last character in both versions of the shikona. Maybe with a magnifying glass :)

[Asashosakari]

5 hours ago, Senkoho said:

compare the last character in both versions of the shikona. Maybe with a magnifying glass :)

My operating system says they're the same.  (More specifically, it appears to recognize them as "same" like A and a, but not as identical.) In fact, how different they actually are visually appears to be a matter of the font used:

In my browser (in whatever font the DB is specifying):

In Excel (Arial):

Hmm.

The real issue though is then: There's no such change listed by the Kyokai, it just has the newer version. Maybe it was another fix of an error rather than an actual change?

[Yubinhaad]

53 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

The real issue though is then: There's no such change listed by the Kyokai, it just has the newer version. Maybe it was another fix of an error rather than an actual change?

Tsugaruumi was listed on the Kyokai's shikona change page though, which doesn't happen for those subtle error corrections. There was further discussion about it in the banzuke thread of the time, starting here.

[Asashosakari]

Merci. That's what happens when I fall years behind on updating my own data...

[yorikiried by fate]

Today, for the first time and for no apparent reason at all, I clicked on the "All Foreigners" link sorted under "Rikishi" on the Home Page. This leads to the pre-filtered Rikishi query as seen here.

My superhuman pattern recognition skills told me instantly that there are double entries for Tochinoshin and Gagamaru, while my superhuman laziness prevented me from performing a more thorough follow-up analysis.

Is that the feared Active-Georgians-Bug?

Edited May 26, 2017 by yorikiried by fate

[Raishu]

1 hour ago, yorikiried by fate said:

Today, for the first time and for no apparent reason at all, I clicked on the "All Foreigners" link sorted under "Rikishi" on the Home Page. This leads to the pre-filtered Rikishi query as seen here.

My superhuman pattern recognition skills told me instantly that there are double entries for Tochinoshin and Gagamaru, while my superhuman laziness prevented me from performing a more thorough follow-up analysis.

Is that the feared Active-Georgians-Bug?

I could imagine, it has something to do with this: http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/33919-for-natsu-tochinoshin-is-from-georgia/#comment-279027

The Japanese version shows the "change of shusshin" (well, he still is from the same city), but the shift from Gerugia to Georgia. A data guru might elaborate on this: could that generate a dublicate?

Appears reasonable to me, since it also applies for the Gagamaru data.

[yorikiried by fate]

Very observant and probably true. (How the hell do you remember such a post from 2015?)

 

On a VERY off-topic sidenote: Since recently I'm reading and posting on a totally unrelated forum (cars; don't ask), where your post would have trigered an answer like:

"Listen, that's all very observant and probably true, but do you need to full quote for this? This was your third full quote in ten years and maybe it's better for you to move on."

That's Germans. No shit.

[Bumpkin]

The NSK English language website lists Nakagawa beya and Naruto beya. The database does not list them.

[Rocks]

50 minutes ago, Bumpkin said:

The NSK English language website lists Nakagawa beya and Naruto beya. The database does not list them.

Yes it does:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Kabu.aspx?sort=1

They are in the drop down lists for searchs too.

[Sakura]

5 minutes ago, Rocks said:

Yes it does:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Kabu.aspx?sort=1

They are in the drop down lists for searchs too.

According to that they are still listed under Oitekaze and Sadogatake-beya respectively.

[Rocks]

1 minute ago, Sakura said:

According to that they are still listed under Oitekaze and Sadogatake-beya respectively.

Oh, never mind. I misunderstood the question. Sorry.

[Naganoyama]

An interesting side-effect of having somebody's death date but not their birthdate is that it is necessary to take precautions when calculating their age.

This rikishi is old even for a Japanese...

[Asashosakari]

11 hours ago, Bumpkin said:

The NSK English language website lists Nakagawa beya and Naruto beya. The database does not list them.

The kabu data is maintained separately and simply hasn't been updated for a little while.

[Asashosakari]

Something buggish that might be in the same vein as the double Georgia issue mentioned a couple of months ago... Somebody pointed out to me today that a search for rikishi named Kagamiiwa displays two entries for the same guy (the one with hatsu-dohyo 1830.03), under identical shikona. The same happens when searching via his other two shikona, or restricted to any basho he was active in.

The only difference between the two entries is a different "Last Shikona" entry, one of which is apparently a shikona he only adopted in the middle of his final basho, which means there's no associated banzuke entry for that name. Is that what leads to the additional listing?
 

And while researching that, I just learned that these middle-of-the-basho changers can in fact be found by both names in the relevant basho...neat. So there must be some sort of additional database entry for these guys. Though, normally that seems to lead to such "duplicated" entries only for the basho in which the switch occurred, e.g. Zogabana / Hiraiwa in 1854.11 where it probably makes sense to display both. In other basho they can correctly be found by only one name. (BTW, I see the old banzuke.com data has that guy as Hiraishi?)

Edited July 17, 2017 by Asashosakari