Songs you like but are embarrassed to admit to lol

[Kintamayama]

The problem is that there is no good voting system. If they try to be proportional to the population, then the countries with large expatriate communities will have an advantage (Turkey got high scores from half of Western Europe, Armenia got 12 from Turkey, lots of Ex-Yugoslavs live in other countries, etc.). Furthermore, countries with large population will still be at a disadvantage because they can't vote for their own song -- less potential voters for their songs. On the other hand, if you allow people to vote for their own song, then Russia will be the perennial winner.

And the concept of "best song" is of course highly subjective. I'm pretty certain most of the bloc voters feel they are voting for the "best song".

Anyway, lots of whining in the German press tomorrow, I'm sure. Boo-hoo.

"Most of the bloc voters" consistently vote for the same countries regardless of the song, so I'm not really sure they automatically think it's the best song. It doesn't change from year to year. It's a patriotic thing, nothing remotely to do with music. I have other, much less "innocent" theories, but I don't think I should voice them, lest my "true colors" shine again.

I do agree though that there is no perfect voting system. But I"m not the expert. I"ll bet someone out there can come up with something better.

My suggestion? Close it down. Enough. 48 countries. Murphy.

And BTW, there is a new "punishment" on the way. Eurodance. Yup, no kidding- a dancing contest.

Excellent.

Edited May 13, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Manekineko]

I do agree though that there is no perfect voting system. But I"m not the expert. I"ll bet someone out there can come up with something better.

Bring back expert jury instead of viewer voting? (Another year older...)

[Kaiomitsuki]

We had the same discussion last year IIRC. Read out my analysis then-good for this year too. Unless they change the voting system, it will always be the ex-Eastern bloc with the most points, as East Yugoslavia will vote for west Yugoslavia and North Yugoslavia will get 10 from both of them. Belorussia will always get 12 points from Russia and the Ukraine, as will Turkey from Germany/Switzerland, and Greece from Cyprus and vice versa, not to mention the cuddly Northern Europeans Norway/Denmark who will forever give 12 points to Sweden with a certain vice versa, with the occasional Iceland/Finland thrown in, as we saw yesterday. Even Israel lately is prone to giving Russia/Bello all the points, as we have a very big Russian-background population.

And don't forget that France always give at least 8 points each year to Israel and Portugal.. when those two countries are in the final ! (Another year older...)

[Kintamayama]

And don't forget that France always give at least 8 points each year to Israel and Portugal.. when those two countries are in the final ! (Another year older...)

They do? Never noticed that.. France? Must have been an order from Chirac..

[Kaiomitsuki]

And don't forget that France always give at least 8 points each year to Israel and Portugal.. when those two countries are in the final ! (Another year older...)

They do? Never noticed that.. France? Must have been an order from Chirac..

I give you the points France give to Israel and Portugal since 1998 :

Year Israel Portugal

Points by France(final ranking)

98 12*(1) 10*(12)

99 10*(5) 12**(21)

00 6***(22) NP

01 10*(25) 12*(18)

02 10*(12) NP

03 8*(17) 6*(22)

04 NP NP

05 10(4) NP

06 4****(23) NP

NP : this country was not in the final

* best point that year was from France or tied with other(s) country

**21st place with 12 pts : 12 points from France !

***22nd place with 7 pts : receive 6 points fron France and 1pt from Macedonia

**** : 23rd place with 4 points : 4 points from France !

[Kintamayama]

I give you the points France give to Israel and Portugal since 1998 :

Year Israel Portugal

Points by France(final ranking)

98 12*(1) 10*(12)

99 10*(5) 12**(21)

etc

Wow, incredible.. How do you know this??

[Kaiomitsuki]

I give you the points France give to Israel and Portugal since 1998 :

Year Israel Portugal

Points by France(final ranking)

98 12*(1) 10*(12)

99 10*(5) 12**(21)

etc

Wow, incredible.. How do you know this??

You can find all the ranking and points since the 1956 here

http://members.fortunecity.com/mcdeil69/1978.htm (1978 first win ever for Israel...)

For 2006 and 2007 you can find the points on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_2006 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_2007

I give you the points from France for Israel and portugal since 1998 because it was the year that countries were encouraged to use televoting ...

[Sasanishiki]

The worst? Ours by far-embarrassing, dumb, badly performed and downright lousy.

Was that the song that had all the controversy around it and the doubts on whether it would be allowed? Something about pressing a button and blowing up the whole world?

[Kintamayama]

The worst? Ours by far-embarrassing, dumb, badly performed and downright lousy.

Was that the song that had all the controversy around it and the doubts on whether it would be allowed? Something about pressing a button and blowing up the whole world?

The song, yes, but it was about taking notice of how many madmen are currently within a finger away of pushing the button.

[Kaiomitsuki]

My Top10 "all-time favorite songs i like from the Eurovision Song Contest but i'm embarrassed to admit lol" (all are 70s or 80s songs that i really like when i was a child ... and that i still really like to hear sometimes but with headphones (don't want to affraid the neighborhood (Sign of approval...) )

each song was a bit Hit in France

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeAM75vperY Brotherhood of Man "Kisses for me" UK 1976 (1st)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Nqc9sWw54 Marie Myriam "L'Oiseau et l'Enfant" France 1977 (1st)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5woqCVd0NEY ABBA "Waterloo" Sweden (1st)

Jean Gabilou "Humanahum" France 1981 (3rd)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZXxrA64K88 Mocedades "Eres tu" Spain 1973 (2nd)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GudYtgmfk0U Johnny Logan "What's another Year" Ireland 1980 (1st)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ewzAyAdhc Vicky Leandros "Apr

[Jakusotsu]

[Oimeru]

Pretty much spot on! Especially the UK is portrayed perfectly! (Sign of disapproval...)