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Joeblack Sandanme

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The only way Hakuho has a chance is by grabing Asa's mawashi inside with his favorite left hand.

Ain't noway Asa's going to fall for a yorikiri. (Showing respect...)(Laughing...)

Yuriyama Ren Makushita

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Crumbled like a cookie. He had him where he wanted him, and shat /shot himself in the leg. Osh is no pushover, so I'm not that convinced we will have a playoff either. And Taikai is 7-7, and we all know he can explode suddenly without prior notice.

Torikumi makers win again.

Hmmm.. Pretty unlikely but if Hakuho wins over Osh and Asa loses to Taikai.. Well.. That would be really disappointing..

Bishonohana Maegashira

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Hakuho may not win the Yusho this time, but I do believe that he will be the next Yokozuna in the next year or so to come. Unless some other great rikishi comes out of the blue, Hakuho is the next in line...

Hananotaka Maegashira

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yet another mastery by the Yokozuna. ;-)

Are you serious? Holy crap, that was some bad sumo. This is one of those cases were a rikishi wins the sumo and loses the match. Hakuho had the better tachiai, the better position, and more momentum. Asashoryu was again reduced to wildly swinging his arms to and fro trying to knock away the brunt of his opponents attack. Kintamayama is right; Hakuho totally kicked this one. He had the yokozuna right where he wanted him: morozashi at the tawara, and he got too excited and forgot the basics, as well as his feet back at Asa's shikiri line. (Shaking head...)

kaiguma Ozeki

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The only way Hakuho has a chance is by grabing Asa's mawashi inside with his favorite left hand.

...Go easy on him Hananokata. Not everyone is a technical ace... ;-)

So now we have at least three forumers living in a fantasy world where any time Asa wins he "dominated the bout." The yokozuna has dominated only, say, 30% of his bouts this basho, way under his average. Hakuho will only "crumble " if he loses to Osh. Otherwise I think he will give it his all in the play-off, win or lose. It's tough to call it any other way than 50-50.

Kintamayama Dai-yokozuna

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So now we have at least three forumers living in a fantasy world where any time Asa wins he "dominated the bout." The yokozuna has dominated only, say, 30% of his bouts this basho, way under his average. Hakuho will only "crumble " if he loses to Osh. Otherwise I think he will give it his all in the play-off, win or lose. It's tough to call it any other way than 50-50.

Agreed, but Hakuhou wasn't exactly sparkling either. The debate here is whether he was "cautious" or "hesitant". I vote for the latter. He still doesn't have that "aura" about him he had before the injury. Still, he's probably the next Sideways Rope.

kaiguma Ozeki

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The debate here is whether he was "cautious" or "hesitant". I vote for the latter.

Oh, he certainly crumbled, but I don't think he'll crumble in the kettei-sen. He'll be much more resolved, win or lose.

Joeblack Sandanme

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yet another mastery by the Yokozuna. ;-)

Are you serious? Holy crap, that was some bad sumo. This is one of those cases were a rikishi wins the sumo and loses the match. Hakuho had the better tachiai, the better position, and more momentum. Asashoryu was again reduced to wildly swinging his arms to and fro trying to knock away the brunt of his opponents attack. Kintamayama is right; Hakuho totally kicked this one. He had the yokozuna right where he wanted him: morozashi at the tawara, and he got too excited and forgot the basics, as well as his feet back at Asa's shikiri line. (Shaking head...)

You failed to see that Asa had Hakuho off balance by positioning Hakuho for a left Utachari. Hakuho's left foot was off the floor before he realized he was in trouble. That was when he escape by letting go of Asa. Unfortunally, he was off balanced and fell onto the ground. (Swinging his arms to and fro trying to knock away the brunt of his opponents attack) is an underestimation of Asa's ability. You did not see Asa's intention when he moved his arm upward and sideway. Hakuho did have better of everything, but Asa was able to reverse it. If that is not mastery, I don't know what is.

Joeblack Sandanme

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The only way Hakuho has a chance is by grabing Asa's mawashi inside with his favorite left hand.

Ain't noway Asa's going to fall for a yorikiri. ;-)(Shaking head...)

Please excuse me. That stream quality was bad, and after care review, I see Hakuho did have left hand inside position. Unfortunally, his plan didn't work.

kaiguma Ozeki

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The only way Hakuho has a chance is by grabing Asa's mawashi inside with his favorite left hand.

... Go easy on him Hananokata. Not everyone is a technical ace ... :-P

The only way Hakuho has a chance is by grabing Asa's mawashi inside with his favorite left hand.

Ain't noway Asa's going to fall for a yorikiri. ;-)(Shaking head...)

Please excuse me. That stream quality was bad, and after care review, I see Hakuho did have left hand inside position. Unfortunally, his plan didn't work.

[Pssst, since you're so knowledgable about how and why Hakuho lost, you probably won't have to be corrected more than twice on the fact that Hakuho's favorite grip is left-hand outside, not inside. Of course I am sure this does not diminish your argument, that Asashoryu is ultimately dominant in every way. Carry on.]

Peterao Sekiwake

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Of course I am sure this does not diminish your argument, that Asashoryu is ultimately dominant in every way

That is not an argument. That is an indisputable fact.

kaiguma Ozeki

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Of course I am sure this does not diminish your argument, that Asashoryu is ultimately dominant in every way

That is not an argument. That is an indisputable fact.

Wow, I find inflexible people very good at not understanding what someone just said, and completely missing the point, especially when sarcasm is involved. Just an observation.

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Peterao Sekiwake

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Of course I am sure this does not diminish your argument, that Asashoryu is ultimately dominant in every way

That is not an argument. That is an indisputable fact.

Wow, I find inflexible people very good at not understanding what someone just said, and completely missing the point, especially when sarcasm is involved. Just an observation.

So you are flexible when it comes to, say, the answer to 2 plus 2?

sildan Makushita

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So you are flexible when it comes to, say, the answer to 2 plus 2?

2+2=4 is true because it is defined to be true; i.e. it is a direct result of the definition of the addition operator. So far as I know, your opinion doesn't define what happens on the dohyo.

What I saw last night and when I watched the bout again this morning was Hakuho manhandle the Yokozuna but fail to finish him off. Hakuho lost rather than Asa won. I don't expect to see the same mistake again, and I hope it will be a good bout. Perhaps Hakuho will be more careful and Asa will take advantage of this. Perhaps Hakuho won't give Asa any holes.

Doitsuyama Yokozuna

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Of course I am sure this does not diminish your argument, that Asashoryu is ultimately dominant in every way

That is not an argument. That is an indisputable fact.

Ultimately dominant? Showing in yusho? Hmm, sure didn't look like that today...

Joeblack Sandanme

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Asashoryu just pulled a HUGE henka against Chiyotakai! That is not confident, dominating sumo. Hakuho takes the kettei-sen (Applauding...)

You just won the ironic award of the day (Laughing...)

maxim Makushita

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Now now.. The henka-fest in the last 3 bouts was somewhat anticlimactic.. (Laughing...)

What a disappointment the final match was. One thing I'm happy about - Hakuho still won't get the Yokozuna rank and he won't get it in Natsu either.

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