Doitsuyama Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Ichihara won against Wakatenro for his third win, and it looks like he will need a high score for juryo promotion as there are several candidates among the rikishi ranked above him. Sakaizawa already is 3-0, Wakanoho beat Musashiryu to get to 2-1 as did Chiyohakuho against Mokonami in the bout between the two lead makushita. Even Buyuzan is making a credible attempt for a return as he is 2-1, beating Takamifuji in juryo. The rikishi at 3-0 in makushita so far are without exceptions interesting talents as Sakaizawa, Ichihara, Hoshihikari, Tokitairyu, Tamawashi and Matsutani are 23 years old or younger, and while Kimurayama and Isobe are already 25, they had their hatsu-dohyo just three years ago. There are more interesting rikishi of course, with both Chinese Sokokurai and Nakanokuni winning for a 2-1 score, as did young Shibuya. Gagamaru got his first today, while Shimoda and Maeta are 1-2 with losses. The sandanme rikishi had the interesting kimarite with Mizakura getting the kimarite of the day with an ipponzeoi against makushita Chiyonohana. Toshinyama sent Mori to 0-3 with the tottari move. Some 3-0 rikishi to watch are Takaazuma, Hoshizakura and young Koga. Brazilian Kaisei can't win against Tetsuhikari, already his third loss against him after two losses in mae-zumo and jonokuchi. Two recent makushita regulars dropped to lower jonidan with some absences, and thus should do well here. Katsunofuji indeed is 3-0 with a win over Hokutonami, but Fukkoyama lost today against Hokutonada to slip to 2-1. In jonokuchi the new Russian Aran won against overmatched Saio to stay undefeated. Yamamotoyama got an oshitaoshi win and is 2-1. -- Doitsuyama Jonokuchi Jk34e Hatodanriki (1-2) oshidashi Jk35w Sugishita (0-3) Jk33e Aran (3-0) hatakikomi Jk34w Saio (2-1) Jk32e Yamamotoyama (2-1) oshitaoshi Jk36e Akatsuki (1-1) Jk29e Dewanofuji (2-1) uwatenage Jk25e Shobimaru (1-2) Jk23e Morikawa (1-2) yorikiri Jk25w Higashi (0-3) Jk20e Otokoyama (2-1) yoritaoshi Jk23w Tsunehikari (1-2) Jk19e Fukukasuga (1-2) uwatedashinage Jk22w Iwanaga (0-3) Jk16e Wakahizen (1-2) oshidashi Jk16w Akinosato (0-3) Jk14e Terasawa (2-1) oshidashi Jk17e Tateishi (1-2) Jk12e Sakurai (1-2) shitatenage Jk13e Anjoryu (0-3) Jk12w Tomiyama (2-1) hatakikomi Jk11e Azumahana (1-2) Jk10e Wakanofuji (3-0) yorikiri Jk8w Kaishin (2-1) Jk7e Hamaazuma (2-1) oshitaoshi Jk7w Tsurunoumi (1-2) Jonidan Jd115w Hokutoryu (3-0) uwatenage Jk2e Daitenpaku (2-1) Jk1e Kaminoyama (2-1) uwatenage Jd114e Aoiumi (1-2) Jd112e Raizan (3-0) yorikiri Jd114w Sadanohama (2-1) Jd110w Nekomata (1-2) kirikaeshi Jd113e Kikusegawa (0-3) Jd107w 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Sd14w Rachimi (0-3) Sd12w Teno (2-1) sukuinage Sd10e Kotohikari (1-2) Sd7w Toshinyama (1-2) tottari Sd9e Mori (0-3) Sd8e Keno (2-1) okuritaoshi Sd5w Kamakura (1-2) Sd6w Wakasuruga (1-2) uwatedashinage Sd3w Fujinokaze (0-3) Sd1e Tachigami (3-0) tsukidashi Sd1w Satsumanishiki (2-1) Makushita Sd2e Mizakura (2-1) ipponzeoi Ms59w Chiyonohana (1-2) Ms57e Kainowaka (2-1) oshidashi Ms57w Kirinishiki (1-2) Ms58e Satsukiumi (1-2) yoritaoshi Ms55w Hayasegawa (0-3) Ms54e Matsutani (3-0) uwatedashinage Ms52w Shironoryu (2-1) Ms53e Wakanami (2-1) yorikiri Ms51e Terukaze (1-2) Ms49w Takanoyama (2-1) uchigake Ms48w Wakakasuga (1-2) Ms47e Kotokuni (2-1) oshidashi Ms48e Tokinoumi (1-2) Ms46w Sokokurai (2-1) oshitaoshi Ms44w Shishio (1-2) Ms43e Tamawashi (3-0) oshidashi Ms45e Wakaryusei (2-1) Ms42e Arawashi (2-1) yorikiri Ms40w Kotoyutaka (1-2) Ms39e Yonemura (1-2) oshidashi Ms41e Chiyotenzan (0-3) Ms37e Shibuya (2-1) tsukiotoshi Ms38e Wakakengo (1-2) Ms35e Gagamaru (1-2) sokubiotoshi Ms36e Tochifudo (0-3) Ms34w Tokitairyu (3-0) yorikiri Ms32w Tamamitsukuni (2-1) Ms31e Nakanokuni (2-1) kotenage Ms32e Tatsuyutaka (1-2) Ms29e Kimurayama (3-0) hatakikomi Ms28w Kaonishiki (2-1) Ms29w Kirinoumi (2-1) hikiotoshi Ms27e Nishikikaze (1-2) Ms23e Daishoyu (2-1) tsukiotoshi Ms25e Fujiryu (1-2) Ms20w Surugatsukasa (2-1) uwatenage Ms21e Maeta (1-2) Ms22w Isobe (3-0) uchimuso Ms19e Sotairyu (2-1) Ms17e Hoshihikari (3-0) hikiotoshi Ms18e Kirinowaka (2-1) Ms15w Raiko (2-1) kekaeshi Ms16w Shimoda (1-2) Ms12w Dewaotori (2-1) yorikiri Ms14w Kagaya (1-2) Ms8w Wakatoba (2-1) okurinage Ms10w Takakoyama (1-2) Ms7w Wakakirin (2-1) hikiotoshi Ms9e Kanbayashi (1-2) Ms5e Tochinoyama (1-2) oshidashi Ms5w Dairaido (0-3) Ms6e Sumanofuji (2-1) tsukidashi Ms4w Tamaasuka (1-2) Ms4e Ichihara (3-0) yorikiri Ms6w Wakatenro (2-1) Ms2e Wakanoho (2-1) yorikiri Ms3w Musashiryu (1-2) Ms1w Chiyohakuho (2-1) hatakikomi Ms1e Mokonami (1-2)
aderechelsea Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Jk33e Aran (3-0) hatakikomi Jk34w Saio (2-1) did Aran find trouble moving forward and tried a slap down? :-) Ms12w Dewaotori (2-1) yorikiri Ms14w Kagaya (1-2) i caught the bout only after the mizu-iri but it was a great second part nonetheless. Kagaya is a very persistent and strong rikishi despite the size difference compared to Dewaotori. Pitty he lost this one.
Randomitsuki Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 The sandanme rikishi had the interesting kimarite with Mizakura getting the kimarite of the day with an ipponzeoi against makushita Chiyonohana. Did someone capture this by any chance, and could make it available?
Asashosakari Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 The sandanme rikishi had the interesting kimarite with Mizakura getting the kimarite of the day with an ipponzeoi against makushita Chiyonohana. Did someone capture this by any chance, and could make it available? I probably did, but they pulled the camera back into the wiiiiide angle shot before the end of Sandanme, so I doubt you'll be able to see much... Gotta run right now, I'll check my recording later today.
Asashosakari Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 The good news first: It's clearly recognizable as an ipponzeoi, as Chiyonohana does a near-perfect 270 degree rotation. The bad news: The stream picture is of course stamp-sized, and the dohyo during the bout looks like a stamp within that stamp. (I am not worthy...) And there's the beep, of course. I'll make a cut of the bout anyway, but don't expect too much.
Randomitsuki Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 The ipponzeoi can be "seen" here now. Thanks a lot! (I am not worthy...)
sekihiryu Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 The ipponzeoi can be "seen" here now. a higher quality version will be coming from me very soon
Doitsuyama Posted March 16, 2007 Author Posted March 16, 2007 The ipponzeoi can be "seen" here now. a higher quality version will be coming from me very soon It's uploaded now along with many more videos from day 4 and day 5 from you. Thanks for finding the time!
Gacktoh Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 The ipponzeoi can be "seen" here now. ありがとう。 Thank you so much! (I am not worthy...) (I am not worthy...) (I am not worthy...) I really wanted to watch this torikumi. (I am not worthy...) (I am not worthy...) (Showing respect...)
Takemi Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 I dont want to spoil anything, but Mizakuras foot(upper side) touched the doyho and his hand touched the tawara before the other guy went down/out. I dont think he should have won. I mean its not judo, were you can do sacrificing throws like that. I admit it was very nice though.
aderechelsea Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 I dont want to spoil anything, but Mizakuras foot(upper side) touched the doyho and his hand touched the tawara before the other guy went down/out. I dont think he should have won. I mean its not judo, were you can do sacrificing throws like that. oh please ... B-)
Takemi Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 I dont want to spoil anything, but Mizakuras foot(upper side) touched the doyho and his hand touched the tawara before the other guy went down/out. I dont think he should have won. I mean its not judo, were you can do sacrificing throws like that. oh please ... B-) A very good response... not. Obviously you disagree. It would be much more appreciated if you could explain why instead of just doing that kind of a remark.
sekihiryu Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 the dead body rule I would imagine at the time Mizakuras stepped oun his opponent was upside down in the air and therefore "unable to win from that position, Mizakura instigated the throw and got the credit.
aderechelsea Posted March 17, 2007 Posted March 17, 2007 we can argue about matches like Asashoryu vs Miyabiyama all you want. I like these conversations ... but when you are seriously saying that Mizakura shouldn't have won then i have nothing to talk about. His opponent was flying upside down and out of the dohyo while Mizakura was performing a throw. If you ask Chiyonohana who won that bout he would be ashamed to even respond. The guy was clearly beaten by a very skillfull opponent and the 2 miliseconds that took Chiyonohana's body to slam on the floor, after Mizakura's hand touched down first , don't make a difference.
Takemi Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 we can argue about matches like Asashoryu vs Miyabiyama all you want. I like these conversations ... but when you are seriously saying that Mizakura shouldn't have won then i have nothing to talk about. His opponent was flying upside down and out of the dohyo while Mizakura was performing a throw. If you ask Chiyonohana who won that bout he would be ashamed to even respond. The guy was clearly beaten by a very skillfull opponent and the 2 miliseconds that took Chiyonohana's body to slam on the floor, after Mizakura's hand touched down first , don't make a difference. There is a good possibility that Mizakura only could execute that throw because of his sacrifice. If he had gone easier and not touched the dohyo first ( which is a loss, by the way), there is a chance that he wouldnt have been able to pull that throw off. The point is, that just because it was a hard technique and a nice throw should the rules then be overseen? Do you want to ask Chiyonohana or should I do it?
aderechelsea Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 Do you want to ask Chiyonohana or should I do it? no ... you go ahead ... i'm already bored.
kaiguma Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 The point is, that just because it was a hard technique and a nice throw should the rules then be overseen? Kaikitsune Makoto recently made a rather insightful comment on this kind of thing. I'm paraphrasing, but something along the lines of "the rules are there to serve sumo; sumo is not there to serve the rules." If you read throug the rules carefully, there are obvious grey areas and scenarios which would cause two rules to conflict. That's why disputes are settled communally by a group. Sometimes it just feels right, and we should trust the shimpan and gyoji to know when it feels right. If we are to trust them to be fair and impartial, then the only thing above the rules is the ruling. The final ruling, as the unreversable resolution of the torikumi, is sumo, and the Shimpan and Gyoji are the living history of the traditions... And stuff. (Laughing...) Now arguing over kimarite - I'm all for it! :-S
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