ROFL @ hakuho-miyabiyama

[yamaneko]

Hilarious. That was very strange. Two guys just falling down in opposite directions.

[aderechelsea]

Hakuho did bad not to finish the first match. He looked so relunctant .... (In jonokuchi...)

the tori-naoshi was natural to end in his favour. He has far better athletic abilities and Miya was breathing heavy.

[yamaneko]

These guys have excellent stamina from looking at keiko, i dont understand how they can always be so out of breath and winded after a bout.

Miyabiyama did hit first the first time, but since both guys just fell down simultaenously, victims of the invisible lumberjack, i guess they figured they had to do torinaoshi.

I dont recall literally laughing out loud at the result of a match like that...antics aside.

[Phoenix]

I thought Miyabiyama hit first but I was amazed at the syncronized landings! I about LMAO!

[Tikozan]

:-D Looks very funny :-D

But I think Miyabiyama was down first.

[Danjinoumi]

I was sitting about 15 rows back on the shoumen side directly in front of the action. I definitely thought Miyabiyama touched down first, was suprised a mono-ii was called, and even more surprised that it took the shimpan so long to make a decision. Tikozan's image shows my eyesight wasn't so bad after all.

[Kintamayama]

I was sitting about 15 rows back on the shoumen side directly in front of the action. I definitely thought Miyabiyama touched down first, was suprised a mono-ii was called, and even more surprised that it took the shimpan so long to make a decision. Tikozan's image shows my eyesight wasn't so bad after all.

Usually, this "takes a lot of time" business means they were consulting the video, which to me, at least, means the guy in charge saw the replay, maybe a few times, and clearly saw them both go down together. Otherwise, what's the point?

Edited March 13, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Danjinoumi]

Usually, this "takes a lot of time" business means they were consulting the video, which to me, at least, means the guy in charge saw the replay, maybe a few times, and clearly saw them both go down together. Otherwise, what's the point?

Obviously it was a lot less clear to them than it was to me. Since it all happened so fast, I thought maybe my eyesight betrayed me. Don't the images in Tikozan's post show pretty convincingly that it wasn't as close as the shimpan (or the video replay guy, or whomever) made it out to be? It sure does to me.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot the sagari counts as part of the body. That does make it too close to call. Miya's body definitely hit first though, both in my eyes and on the video.

Edited March 13, 2007 by Danjinoumi

[Asojima]

Sorry, forgot the sagari counts as part of the body.

:-D Is this true?? If so, it is one more thing to look for in the old monoii controversies.

[Asashosakari]

EDIT: Sorry, forgot the sagari counts as part of the body.

That's certainly news to me, given that they fall to the ground all the time without the match being over...

[Kintamayama]

EDIT: Sorry, forgot the sagari counts as part of the body.

That's certainly news to me, given that they fall to the ground all the time without the match being over...

Maybe as long as they are attached, like extended testicles? How about the mawashi? If a part of it gets unfurled and touches the ground?

Edited March 13, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Danjinoumi]

Well, if they aren't then I go back to my original position - why was there a mono-ii called and why did it take so long to come to a decision? I was sitting farther away than the shimpan and was able to make the correct call, based on the video evidence above.

[yamaneko]

I think they called the rematch since both started to fall on their own, at the same time. No one really "beat" the other guy. Granted, people fall down on their own all the time, and there is no mono ii. But its very rare where both just "happen" to fall down almost untouched at the same time, so they probably thought since it was farily close, a torinaoshi was in order. If miyabi perhaps fell down like a full second before hakuho, maybe not, but that wasnt the case.

[Asashosakari]

why was there a mono-ii called

Maybe the shinpan read Sumoforum yesterday. I mean, "much more mono-ii!" is the consensus position here, right? Seriously, they called a mono-ii because they wanted to discuss the outcome of the bout. That may be an entirely trivial answer, but I'm not sure what you might be thinking was the reason.

and why did it take so long to come to a decision?

Maybe the video gyoji couldn't stop laughing. Does it matter? Seemingly easy calls sometimes take a long time, just like seemingly hard calls sometimes get resolved in fifteen seconds. What exactly are you looking for here?

Edited March 13, 2007 by Asashosakari

[yamaneko]

Probably took a long time to come to a decision, because CLEARLY miyabiyama hit first, but then again, they had to weigh in the factor that both guys started falling at the same time, and it was on their own. This was a very unique situation, i dont think ive seen anything like that in the last 2 years...so they probably wanted to discuss it more.

As SOON as gyogi said hakuho, one of the shimpan rose his hand for mono ii...

[James H]

Probably took a long time to come to a decision, because CLEARLY miyabiyama hit first, but then again, they had to weigh in the factor that both guys started falling at the same time, and it was on their own. This was a very unique situation, i dont think ive seen anything like that in the last 2 years...so they probably wanted to discuss it more.

As SOON as gyogi said hakuho, one of the shimpan rose his hand for mono ii...

I am not sure who began to fall first is really an issue... I just think the video judge botched the call. But anyhow, it was the funniest end to a bout since Hayateumi tried that jumping tachiai against .. :-) ... (someone I can't remember but they weren't having it) and ended up in the third row.

[Asashosakari]

I am not sure who began to fall first is really an issue... I just think the video judge botched the call. But anyhow, it was the funniest end to a bout since Hayateumi tried that jumping tachiai against .. :-) ... (someone I can't remember but they weren't having it) and ended up in the third row.

Linkage

BTW, the syncronized fall reminded me of two lower Maegashira doing duelling swandives off the dohyo right at the camera maybe a year (or a bit longer) ago, but for the life of me I can't remember the participants. Anybody know the bout I'm thinking of?

[aderechelsea]

BTW, the syncronized fall reminded me of two lower Maegashira doing duelling swandives off the dohyo right at the camera maybe a year (or a bit longer) ago, but for the life of me I can't remember the participants. Anybody know the bout I'm thinking of?

i think Buyuzan was involved in it :-)

i have the image in my head but i cannot put names on the faces.

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another funny bout was the double henka in a match where both rikishi jumped to the side but there was noone charging forward to fall down .... :-D

Hayateumi or Tokitsuumi or Asasekiryu were involved in that one.

(i am getting older and memory fails to serve anymore) :-|

[Andreas]

The real reason for the torinaoshi was that it was impossible to decide the kimarite (i know there is an accidental step-out kimarite, but is there an accidental fall-down too?)

[Doitsuyama]

The real reason for the torinaoshi was that it was impossible to decide the kimarite (i know there is an accidental step-out kimarite, but is there an accidental fall-down too?)

Yes. Three even. Koshikudake, tsukihiza and tsukite cover fall-downs without influence of the opponent.

[Otokonoyama]

I am not sure who began to fall first is really an issue... I just think the video judge botched the call.

As Doitsu mentioned, there are serveral choices of kimarite covering this situation, though none of them fits precisely. It's hard to see how the call would be botched by the video judge, as it was clear from the first replay that Miyabiyabadabado had touched down first. It was as close to a hatakikomi as it was to the others. It's likely a case of indecision leading to a mulligan.

I think Kitanofuji even said Miyabiyama touched first and then said said "that's embarrassing" when a torinaoshi was called. Maybe he meant himself being so sure and then "wrong". The crowd seemed to be shouting for a replay and I think Yamaneko has a point in that they both seemed to go down as if hit by snipers so you couldn't really say anyone had bee the instigator of a throw.

I loved Miyabiyama's comment afterwards.

Yeah, Kitanofuji seemed quite certain on viewing the replay that Hakuho would win - gumbai dori. He was surprised at the torinaoshi call. It wasn't clear what his hazukashii comment referred to. Probably self-effacing, but...

[aderechelsea]

BTW, the syncronized fall reminded me of two lower Maegashira doing duelling swandives off the dohyo right at the camera maybe a year (or a bit longer) ago, but for the life of me I can't remember the participants. Anybody know the bout I'm thinking of?

its not the one you meant, but Tosanoumi and Yoshikaze looked like they are from the "Miyabi-Ho School of Dance" in today's match ..... (Laughing...)

[Doitsuyama]

I am not sure who began to fall first is really an issue... I just think the video judge botched the call.

As Doitsu mentioned, there are serveral choices of kimarite covering this situation, though none of them fits precisely.

I didn't mean that they were applicable here. I am actually pretty certain that the kimarite would have been hatakikomi or tsukiotoshi as both clearly didn't just fall without any influence.

[Naganoyama]

I am not sure who began to fall first is really an issue... I just think the video judge botched the call. But anyhow, it was the funniest end to a bout since Hayateumi tried that jumping tachiai against .. (Laughing...) ... (someone I can't remember but they weren't having it) and ended up in the third row.

Linkage

BTW, the syncronized fall reminded me of two lower Maegashira doing duelling swandives off the dohyo right at the camera maybe a year (or a bit longer) ago, but for the life of me I can't remember the participants. Anybody know the bout I'm thinking of?

Perhaps you are thinking of Ashu vs Tochinoyama in makushita on day 7 of Natsu 2005

I watch this periodically because it cheers me up no matter what.

[Asashosakari]

Perhaps you are thinking of Ashu vs Tochinoyama in makushita on day 7 of Natsu 2005

I watch this periodically because it cheers me up no matter what.

Thanks. :-) Looks similar, but I don't think that's it...the one I seem to remember had an even more aesthetic flight phase. (Laughing...)

Edit: BTW, the worst thing is that I'm 99% sure I posted on that bout myself, but I can't find my own comment. Search is a harsh mistress...

Edited March 14, 2007 by Asashosakari