Persistence Watch

[aderechelsea]

Morikawa finished 2-5 after a loss today and accomplished his 12th 2-5 in 22 basho.

Higashi, Tsuji and Kanai finished their bashos with losses and a record of 1-6

Kotoyamaguchi, Tsunehikari and Wakahizen all won and finished 2-5,2-5 and 3-4 respectively.

former "club member" Omori finished his successfull basho with a loss but the KK is a fact. He will fall in semi-oblivion from Haru basho and onwards, unless the "persistence watch" haters decide to adopt him :-P

i expect Asashosakari-san to finish this thread for Hatsu Basho with nice tables and interesting remarks .... :-)

(Whistling...)

[Petr]

Thank you for clarifying the purpose of this thread. I always appreciate information from the bottom of the pyramid and respectful comments.

[Asashosakari]

Senshuraku update:

With the pleasant KK surprise by Iwasa out of the way on Day 14, the final day saw several of our remaining rikishi paired for bouts, allowing for some padding of those aching win percentages. Unfortunately, the overall results for the second win roughly mirrored Week 1...the total record for our 14 rikishi was 12-30, with 8 internal bouts and thus just a 4-22 (0.154) mark in outside competition. Let's get the tablemania started with the winners' lineups this time, intra-persistent bouts first:

Day 10: Jk25w  Tateishi (2-3)	  sukuinage	  Jk34e  Kanai (1-4)
	Jk22e  Iwanaga (2-3)	   yorikiri	   Jk24w  Tsunehikari (1-4)
Day 11: Jk20e  Higashi (1-5)	   yorikiri	   Jk36w  Sugishita (0-5)
Day 12: Jk25w  Tateishi (3-3)	  hatakikomi	 Jk23w  Morikawa (2-4)
	Jk21w  Wakahizen (2-4)	 yoritaoshi	 Jk24w  Tsunehikari (1-5)
Day 15: Jk24w  Tsunehikari (2-5)   yorikiri	   Jk34e  Kanai (1-6)
	Jk21w  Wakahizen (3-4)	 oshidashi	  Jk23w  Morikawa (2-5)
	Jk15w  Kotoyamaguchi (2-5) yoritaoshi	 Jk20e  Higashi (1-6)

And the outside wins:

Day 10: Jk35e  Yamamoto (2-3)	  yorikiri	   Jk28w  Daikosei (1-4)
	Jk14e  Omori (4-1)		 oshidashi	  Jk17w  Tominoumi (3-2)
Day 13: Jk35e  Yamamoto (3-4)	  oshidashi	  Jk25e  Fukunokuni (2-5)
Day 14: Jk23e  Iwasa (4-3)		 yoritaoshi	 Jk19e  Terasawa (3-4)

Tateishi managed to spice things up a bit with his sukuinage on Day 10, making it the only non-oshi/yori/hatakikomi win of the basho for our group.

And for what it may be worth, our two lucky winners Omori and Iwasa posted 3-3 and 2-3 records against off-list opponents, perhaps an indication that their success wasn't a total fluke and that they might be able to leave the Jonokuchi basement behind. Let's get to the standings:

Shikona	Heya	Debut	MK	Current Rank	Highest Rank	Record	Win%	Last Basho	This Basho
Morikawa	Otake	Natsu 2003	22	Jonokuchi 23 West	Jonokuchi 5	31-120-3	0.205	2-5	2-5
Daishiryu	Kise	Haru 2004	17	Jonokuchi 18 East	Jonokuchi 1	29-90	0.244	3-4	2-5
Ishii	Magaki	Haru 2004	17	Jonokuchi 18 West	Jonidan 133	21-98	0.176	3-4	0-7
Iwanaga	Michinoku	Haru 2005	11	Jonokuchi 22 East	Jonokuchi 7	19-58	0.247	2-5	2-5
Omori	Naruto	Kyushu 2004	10	Jonokuchi 14 East	Jonidan 130	32-47-6	0.405	3-4	4-3
Yamamoto	Naruto	Haru 2005	9	Jonokuchi 35 East	Jonokuchi 2	20-43-7	0.317	1-1-3 (mae)	3-4
Kotoyamaguchi	Sadogatake	Haru 2006	5	Jonokuchi 15 West	Jonokuchi 15	10-25	0.286	3-4	2-5
Wakahizen	Hanakago	Haru 2006	5	Jonokuchi 21 West	Jonokuchi 21	12-23	0.343	2-5	3-4
Tsunehikari	Nishikido	Haru 2006	5	Jonokuchi 24 West	Jonokuchi 20	12-19-4	0.387	1-4-2	2-5
Sugishita	Naruto	Haru 2006	5	Jonokuchi 36 West	Jonokuchi 30	1-34	0.029	0-7	0-7
Kida	Arashio	Haru 2005	5	Banzuke-gai	Jonokuchi 19	12-17-13	0.414	---	---
Higashi	Shikoroyama	Natsu 2006	4	Jonokuchi 20 East	Jonokuchi 20	6-22	0.214	3-4	1-6
Iwasa	Shikoroyama	Haru 2006	4	Jonokuchi 23 East	Jonokuchi 23	13-22	0.371	2-5	4-3
Tateishi	Dewanoumi	Natsu 2006	4	Jonokuchi 25 West	Jonokuchi 25	8-20	0.286	1-6	3-4
Kanai	Michinoku	Nagoya 2005	4	Jonokuchi 34 East	Jonokuchi 24	7-21-7	0.250	1-4 (mae)	1-6
Asaamami	Takasago	Haru 2005	3	Banzuke-gai	Jonokuchi 26	7-10-11	0.412	---	---

Overall we had two 4-3's, three 3-4's, five 2-5's, two 1-6's and unfortunately also two winless performances, so still lots of room for (extremely gradual, I suspect) improvement. Perhaps next in line for kachi-koshi will be Wakahizen who has reached 2 wins in three of his tournaments and 3 wins the other two times - he appears to be one of the stronger members of the club, posting a 3-0 mark in internal competition this basho, but couldn't overcome his 0-4 record against outsiders. A bit more success in that area could see him reach kachi-koshi soon.

At any rate, with two rikishi exiting the club and no new applicants we'll be down to 12 active members next time, barring retirements reducing the group even further. Let's hope for a few more guys to relinquish their membership cards during the year - before the less fortunate rikishi of the incoming Haru class begin flooding the club facilities in Kyushu.

Back on the Jonokuchi rollercoaster in March, with hopefully even more surprising breakout performances by guys you least expect it from. Well, except for Morikawa who'll probably finish 2-5 again. (Shaking head...)

[Asashosakari]

BTW, I originally intended to keep things together in one thread for the whole year (hence the "2007 edition" subtitle) since there's a lot of continuity here, but with the unexpected amount of posts I was wondering if that's still the best course of action. Would anyone mind if this thread balloons up to, say, 10 pages by the end of the year?

[aderechelsea]

i'll keep it neat by avoiding daily posts .... (Shaking head...)

[Doitsuyama]

BTW, I originally intended to keep things together in one thread for the whole year (hence the "2007 edition" subtitle) since there's a lot of continuity here, but with the unexpected amount of posts I was wondering if that's still the best course of action. Would anyone mind if this thread balloons up to, say, 10 pages by the end of the year?

You can keep it in one thread, as long as you provide links to the starting posts for each basho (starting with Natsu of course, or editing the first post to have good access from page 1).

[aderechelsea]

let's put faces on some of those names once more ...

Morikawa

Higashi

fan-favourite Sugishita

Yamamoto

Daishiryu

Ishii

[Asashosakari]

Futile But Not Forgotten*: Jonokuchi hijinx, the Osaka edition.

Shikona	Heya	Debut	MK	Current Rank	Highest Rank	Record	Win%	Last Basho
Morikawa	Otake	Natsu 2003	22	Jonokuchi 23 East	Jonokuchi 5	31-120-3	0.205	2-5
Daishiryu	Kise	Haru 2004	17	Jonokuchi 22 East	Jonokuchi 1	29-90	0.244	2-5
Ishii	Magaki	Haru 2004	17	Jonokuchi 35 East	Jonidan 133	21-98	0.176	0-7
Iwanaga	Michinoku	Haru 2005	11	Jonokuchi 22 West	Jonokuchi 7	19-58	0.247	2-5
Yamamoto	Naruto	Haru 2005	9	Jonokuchi 21 East	Jonokuchi 2	20-43-7	0.317	3-4
Wakahizen	Hanakago	Haru 2006	5	Jonokuchi 16 East	Jonokuchi 16	12-23	0.343	3-4
Kotoyamaguchi	Sadogatake	Haru 2006	5	Jonokuchi 19 West	Jonokuchi 15	10-25	0.286	2-5
Tsunehikari	Nishikido	Haru 2006	5	Jonokuchi 23 West	Jonokuchi 20	12-19-4	0.387	2-5
Sugishita	Naruto	Haru 2006	5	Jonokuchi 35 West	Jonokuchi 30	1-34	0.029	0-7
Kida	Arashio	Haru 2005	5	Banzuke-gai	Jonokuchi 19	12-17-13	0.414	---
Tateishi	Dewanoumi	Natsu 2006	4	Jonokuchi 17 East	Jonokuchi 17	8-20	0.286	3-4
Higashi	Shikoroyama	Natsu 2006	4	Jonokuchi 25 West	Jonokuchi 20	6-22	0.214	1-6
Kanai	Michinoku	Nagoya 2005	4	Jonokuchi 26 West	Jonokuchi 24	7-21-7	0.250	1-6
Asaamami	Takasago	Haru 2005	3	Banzuke-gai	Jonokuchi 26	7-10-11	0.412	---

(* with apologies to The Corrs.)

Edited March 11, 2007 by Asashosakari

[Asashosakari]

PS: As per Doitsuyama's suggestion, I've added a small nav bar to the first post of the thread. Not that it'll do you much good yet, but if you lose your way in the thread later on, just go there and click yourself back to the beginning of the basho of your choice. :-)

[aderechelsea]

first attempt today for Sugishita to get his first career win in an actual bout, bu to no avail. The day is coming though ... i can feel it.

On the bright side, Ishii was the one to beat him and broke his losing streak from last basho.

Morikawa fights tomorrow

[aderechelsea]

Morikawa was yorikiri-ed out today for a 0-1 start ....

[aderechelsea]

fan-favourites Sugishita and Morikawa were yorikiri-ed and hatakikomi-ed, respectfully, to their 2nd loss in two bouts .....

[Asashosakari]

Day 4 newsflash: Only 11 members of our fearless dozen have shown up as Daishiryu is absent from the dohyo for the first time in his career. I hope that's not a harbinger of an impending intai. Among the others, the news aren't so great either...unlike last basho, nobody remains free of losses. Ishii, Tsunehikari and Tateishi started with a win, but all three lost to level their score at 1-1. Three others are also even, with the remaining five already in the hole at 0-2.

[aderechelsea]

i know there's gonna be a better update tomorrow by Asashosakari but let me put this topic back on top, where it belings.

our esteemed "club members" had a few bouts up untill day 7, but none managed to shine. Dangerous territory for all of them since there is not a single one of them with a winning record. (Shaking head...)

Morikawa 1-3 (his only win was against Higashi, whom you'll see further below in this list)

Daishiryu is kyujo, which is not very promising.

Ishii 2-2 (he won on day 7 against Akatsuki who was Minami #2 in mae-zumo last basho)

Iwanaga 0-4 (He lost on fay 7 and is officialy MK for the 12th time in his 12-basho career)

Yamamoto 2-2

Wakahizen 2-2 (with a win on day 7)

Kotoyamaguchi 2-2 (he beat Morikawa on day 7)

Tsunehikari 1-3

Sugishita 0-3 (and still winless in a competitive match)

Kida kyujo?

Tateishi 1-3 (lost to Wakahizen on day 7)

Higashi 0-3

Kanai 1-2

Asaamami kyujo?

[Fukurou]

Kida kyujo?

Asaamami kyujo?

Neither one is on the kyujo list on the NSK website, but that doesn't include banzuke gai rikishi anyway. Actually (and maybe I'm looking in the wrong places or, more likely, don't know what I'm looking at), I don't see anything about banzuke gai rikishi on the NSK website.

[Doitsuyama]

Kida kyujo?

Asaamami kyujo?

Neither one is on the kyujo list on the NSK website, but that doesn't include banzuke gai rikishi anyway. Actually (and maybe I'm looking in the wrong places or, more likely, don't know what I'm looking at), I don't see anything about banzuke gai rikishi on the NSK website.

You are right, they also aren't in the heya lists, I think. They are on the intai lists, though.

[Fukurou]

Kida kyujo?

Asaamami kyujo?

Neither one is on the kyujo list on the NSK website, but that doesn't include banzuke gai rikishi anyway. Actually (and maybe I'm looking in the wrong places or, more likely, don't know what I'm looking at), I don't see anything about banzuke gai rikishi on the NSK website.

You are right, they also aren't in the heya lists, I think. They are on the intai lists, though.

I looked at the retirement list on the NSK website, and they're not there either. That list (with the date January 24) included

MAKUSHITA

Senshuuyama

SANDANME

Hanada, Oomusashi, and Takakitamura

JONIDAN

Kumagou, Ikemoto, Taiheizan, Isonokuni, Tamahayate, Hokutozakura, and Sakai

JONOKUCHI

Daishoudake, Aononami

Banzuke Gai (番付外)

Osanoumi, Kajitani, Asaharada, Asakomiya, Hoshiryuu, and Kiyono

Maybe they've have retired and the website just hasn't been updated.

[Kintamayama]

Kida kyujo?

Asaamami kyujo?

I actually have them both listed as banzuke- guy. Asashosakari should have an answer to this one.

Edited March 17, 2007 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari]

I actually have them both listed as banzuke- guy. Asashosakari should have an answer to this one.

I think what adere was getting at with "kyujo?" (and it took me a bit to figure it out) is that they might be active in maezumo this basho.

[Kintamayama]

I actually have them both listed as banzuke- guy. Asashosakari should have an answer to this one.

I think what adere was getting at with "kyujo?" (and it took me a bit to figure it out) is that they might be active in maezumo this basho.

I think he was going through the list of PRs (persistent rikishi) and couldn't find these two's bouts this basho. Since he couldn't, he supposed they were kyujo. Which of course doesn't mean they aren't in maezumo..

[aderechelsea]

I think he was going through the list of PRs (persistent rikishi) and couldn't find these two's bouts this basho. Since he couldn't, he supposed they were kyujo. Which of course doesn't mean they aren't in maezumo..

exactly that .... (Holiday feeling...)

[Doitsuyama]

You are right, they also aren't in the heya lists, I think. They are on the intai lists, though.

I looked at the retirement list on the NSK website, and they're not there either. That list (with the date January 24) included

Banzuke Gai (番付外)

Osanoumi, Kajitani, Asaharada, Asakomiya, Hoshiryuu, and Kiyono

Hmm... you yourself wrote the retired banzuke-gai guys.

I of course meant only the RETIRED banzuke-gai rikishi are on the retired list. Which they actually weren't until some years ago, so that's a progress.

[Asashosakari]

I think he was going through the list of PRs (persistent rikishi) and couldn't find these two's bouts this basho. Since he couldn't, he supposed they were kyujo. Which of course doesn't mean they aren't in maezumo..

exactly that .... (Shaking head...)

I do have that table up there where both guys are listed as banzuke-gai. (Holiday feeling...)

[Fukurou]

You are right, they also aren't in the heya lists, I think. They are on the intai lists, though.

I looked at the retirement list on the NSK website, and they're not there either. That list (with the date January 24) included

Banzuke Gai (番付外)

Osanoumi, Kajitani, Asaharada, Asakomiya, Hoshiryuu, and Kiyono

Hmm... you yourself wrote the retired banzuke-gai guys.

Whatever. At this particular moment I'm more interested in getting back to the guys in the guy's college basketball championship tournament

[Zentoryu]

Sugishita 0-3 (and still winless in a competitive match)

He'll probably remain that way for the rest of the basho. IMHO he blew his only chance for a win when he lost to Ishii in his first bout.

The fact that Ishii defeated Akatsuki doesn't bode well for the latter's future either.