SB Masters?

[Fujisan]

Are we gonna see the SB Masters results for Aki and Kyushu basho or is it out of the question now?

I'm dying to see the results I know I finished high at Aki and even though I had a rotten basho this time I still scored in Juryo game and I think Sumo game aswell.

[Randomitsuki]

I've scored the Aki results immediately after Aki Basho, but have never sent them to Zenjimoto because the scoring of two Sekitori games wasn't official (and still isn't).

During the weekend I'll send the Aki results to Zenjimoto anyway, and he can decide whether he will post them or not.

I don't recall your position in the Aki Masters exactly (I do not even recall for sure who won the Masters), but I think that you've finished in third place. You certainly solidified a top 10 position in the World Championships.

As for the Kyushu Masters - I had neither time nor opportunity to score the results. As you know, the sumogames.com games haven't even posted Kyushu results after those server attacks.

[Fujisan]

As for the Kyushu Masters - I had neither time nor opportunity to score the results. As you know, the sumogames.com games haven't even posted Kyushu results after those server attacks.

Thanks!

The sumogames.com results are there now though or am, I missing something.

[Randomitsuki]

The Superbanzuke is a little more difficult.

There is still no Aki Banzuke because the Aki Banzuke of Sekitori Oracle is missing. I always thought that it will be made manually, but if I understand it correctly, the banzuke making is automated, and since automation crashed completely in Sekitori games, there won't be a banzuke anytime soon. Or so I understood.

Unfortunately, the only thing that's exceeding the speed of light is the speed of negligence in banzuke making practices.

When I started playing sumo games, usually every game had its banzuke out by the time the real banzuke appeared. Rarely did game masters wait until the basho begun.

Now we did not have a couple of Kyushu banzuke while the basho was already in full swing. For obvious reasons the Sekitori Games banzuke were missing, but unfortunately there haven't been Kyushu banzuke for UDH or Fantasy Sumo until now.

While some games will probably soon publish Hatsu banzuke, it will become more and more difficult to keep track of games on completely different time scales.

[Randomitsuki]

The sumogames.com results are there now though or am, I missing something.

No, I was missing something. They weren't out the last time I checked. Maybe I'll find the time on the weekend to compute the results and inofficially identify the World Sumo Games Champion of 2006.

[Fujisan]

The Superbanzuke is a little more difficult.

There is still no Aki Banzuke because the Aki Banzuke of Sekitori Oracle is missing. I always thought that it will be made manually, but if I understand it correctly, the banzuke making is automated, and since automation crashed completely in Sekitori games, there won't be a banzuke anytime soon. Or so I understood.

Why not use the Nagoya banzuke for the sekitori oracle results?

The SB rules allow for that when the new banzuke for a game is missing.

[Randomitsuki]

Why not use the Nagoya banzuke for the sekitori oracle results?

The SB rules allow for that when the new banzuke for a game is missing.

Well, ultimately this is upon Zenjimoto to decide. But it would be a little strange because the results from Nagoya are there, and there is no really good reason to ignore these results, and ignore that there *could* be an Aki Banzuke.

And here is the real reason: I think that in Sekitori Oracle I must have been promoted to Makuuchi after Nagoya. And I want my Aki Superbanzuke points. (Whistling...)

[Fukurou]

Now we did not have a couple of Kyushu banzuke while the basho was already in full swing. For obvious reasons the Sekitori Games banzuke were missing, but unfortunately there haven't been Kyushu banzuke for UDH or Fantasy Sumo until now.

The most recent banzuke for Sekitoto is for prior to Aki. I'm sure there's a technical reason for that, but it seems odd to me that there wasn't a banzuke prior to Kyushu. The Great Aki Server Crash (when sumogames games lost a day) was dealt with for that game, and results were released.

[Randomitsuki]

The most recent banzuke for Sekitoto is for prior to Aki. I'm sure there's a technical reason for that, but it seems odd to me that there wasn't a banzuke prior to Kyushu. The Great Aki Server Crash (when sumogames games lost a day) was dealt with for that game, and results were released.

AFAIK large parts of automation in all Sekitori games broke down since master automator Kashunowaka has left the building. If, as I presume, the banzuke is also made by the automation, it comes as no suprise to me that there wasn't a Kyushu Banzuke for Sekitori-Toto.

The only solutions that I see are

a) Kashunowaka suddenly returning to the realm of sumo games; or

b) manually determining an Aki Banzuke for Oracle; a Kyushu Banzuke for Oracle, Toto, and Quadrumvirate; and a Hatsu Banzuke for Toto.

[Asashosakari]

The most recent banzuke for Sekitoto is for prior to Aki. I'm sure there's a technical reason for that, but it seems odd to me that there wasn't a banzuke prior to Kyushu. The Great Aki Server Crash (when sumogames games lost a day) was dealt with for that game, and results were released.

AFAIK large parts of automation in all Sekitori games broke down since master automator Kashunowaka has left the building. If, as I presume, the banzuke is also made by the automation, it comes as no suprise to me that there wasn't a Kyushu Banzuke for Sekitori-Toto.

The only solutions that I see are

a) Kashunowaka suddenly returning to the realm of sumo games; or

b) manually determining an Aki Banzuke for Oracle; a Kyushu Banzuke for Oracle, Toto, and Quadrumvirate; and a Hatsu Banzuke for Toto.

I suspect Max is quite busy again, so I'll intrude with what (little) I know...

AFAIK, all three Sekitori banzukes are created manually. What was being automated for S4 and SO was the graphical representation of them, i.e. Jonas wrote some kind of "hook" into the database that allows (or allowed) Max to enter the data much more easily. The Sekitoto banzuke is a simple HTML page and requires some more manual work, in addition to working out the rankings in the first place.

At any rate, I think the status of the three games' banzukes is this:

ST - probably Max just hasn't had any time to work out the Kyushu banzuke.

S4 - likely delayed in the hope that the Aki results can be certified sooner or later, plus possibly also affected by a lack of time.

SO - Max mentioned some kind of bug to me (in addition to the one that killed the automation during Aki basho) that prevented him from finalizing the Aki banzuke. Looking at the Nagoya banzuke, there are some holes down in Makushita, so I suspect that there was a database problem with new players who entered in Natsu basho (and probably again with new players from Nagoya basho).

[Zenjimoto]

At any rate, I think the status of the three games' banzukes is this:

ST - probably Max just hasn't had any time to work out the Kyushu banzuke.

S4 - likely delayed in the hope that the Aki results can be certified sooner or later, plus possibly also affected by a lack of time.

SO - Max mentioned some kind of bug to me (in addition to the one that killed the automation during Aki basho) that prevented him from finalizing the Aki banzuke. Looking at the Nagoya banzuke, there are some holes down in Makushita, so I suspect that there was a database problem with new players who entered in Natsu basho (and probably again with new players from Nagoya basho).

All correct. All that being said, I have been meaning to open up the board to suggestions as to how to proceed here, with the 3 Sekitori games as well as the Super Banzuke and the SB Masters/World Championship.

It being bad enough that I had very little time to devote to sumo games administration lately, the technical problems associated with the hakkeyoi.net based games have killed what little fighting spirit I had left to try and keep everything going. Very kind souls such as Randomitsuki, Asashosakari and Sakana have made offers of help and/or taken some of these duties in the past. I finally got to the point where I sat down to do the Kyushu Toto Banzuke (after missing the GTB deadline for the second time in a row) and just stared at the numbers, but unable to find the motivation go go beyond Makuuchi in making the banzuke... my sumo games admin manna is currently depleted. Perhaps it would be a good time to throw out the idea of creating some sort of team that would like to/may be interested in taking over administration duties of these 3 games (with a possibility of finding alternatives to the hakkeyoi games server?), banzuke making, and the compilation of SB and SB Masters results... at least for the time being... until things are up and working in a more economical manner again. I for one am noticeably tired of investing any more of my time at this point, as much as I love the games and want to see them continued... so... I am open to any suggestions here (Shaking head...)

Cheers

Zenjimoto, the weary

[Fujisan]

For what its worth Max I will throw my name into the hat,I cant help with the sites because I just dont have the experience but if you need someone to help with the manual banzuke making then 'here I am send me.'

Edited November 30, 2006 by Fujisan

[Asashosakari]

Max, given that I'm already sitting on a functioning spreadsheet to create the Toto banzuke html files, if you want to I'll volunteer for that banzuke-making job, until such a time as you'll want it back again. (Shaking head...)

Obviously the unofficial nature of the Aki SO and S4 results is keeping things tied up elsewhere now, too, so if maybe somebody wants to doublecheck my results... I'll gladly send you my work spreadsheets if needed.

Edited November 30, 2006 by Asashosakari

[Fukurou]

Max, given that I'm already sitting on a functioning spreadsheet to create the Toto banzuke html files, if you want to I'll volunteer for that banzuke-making job, until such a time as you'll want it back again. (Shaking head...)

Obviously the unofficial nature of the Aki SO and S4 results is keeping things tied up elsewhere now, too, so if maybe somebody wants to doublecheck my results... I'll gladly send you my work spreadsheets if needed.

Since I'm one of those who's been asking questions, I feel I should offer to help as well. I'm fairly good at HTML, and would be willing to help with that if 1) somebody else figures out the banzuke, and 2) the file locations don't get changed around too much, which would let me use the most recent HTML banzuke files as templates (as a former coder, I truly do believe that coding goes much faster if you don't move file locations around all the time and don't keep reinventing the wheel). I could also double check things for people as needed.

[Ganzohnesushi]

Max, given that I'm already sitting on a functioning spreadsheet to create the Toto banzuke html files, if you want to I'll volunteer for that banzuke-making job, until such a time as you'll want it back again. (Shaking head...)

Obviously the unofficial nature of the Aki SO and S4 results is keeping things tied up elsewhere now, too, so if maybe somebody wants to doublecheck my results... I'll gladly send you my work spreadsheets if needed.

If any more help in Banzuke making is needed, I'll volunteer for S4, SO and ST. (Shaking head...) I'm also fine with just one of these if the number of volunteers is big enough and you want to arrange duties among different persons.

Relating to games administration I'm the wrong person as I do not have any programming skills at all. (Sign of disapproval)

Ganzohnesushi

[Golynohana]

I plan to make a web application which would allow to enter picks for SO and SQ games, to show results, standings, banzuke etc.

I hope to get it done before the end of the year or at least to make it possible to enter picks for hatsu basho.

[Zenjimoto]

OK great, looks like we are coming up with an action plan now. Since Asashosakari is ideally set up to continue making the ST banzuke (in fact he already sent me the new version this morning), he will take over those duties - thanks a bunch!

Golynohana, such an application would be fantastic! I would be looking forward to seeing that... great news :-(

Randomitsuki has a great grip and setup for the SB and SB Masters. I would say, let's just move ahead with the "uncertified" results of the Aki Basho, and just keep this baby going... for Kyushu, obviously there won't be any S4 and SO to include. Need to get any missing game banzuke from all responsible parties, too...

All others please stand by for now... I suppose SO and S4 banzuke making will also be needed - if any one wants to figure out what is missing on the bottom of Makushita in SO in order to complete that and the next banzuke, please be my guest :-(

Thanks so much to all of you for your help (and offers thereof)!

Cheers!

Z.

[Randomitsuki]

I've just finished entering all the SB Masters data for Kyushu.

Official standings will be posted by Zenjimoto so I won't spoil the show. However, here are some teasers:

Kyushu Masters: since two games were missing, and for various other reasons the score of the Green mawashi winner was very low (lower than three or four players in Aki Basho). The winner of the Green mawashi comes directly out of left field - he or she didn't have a single point in 2005 and now finds himself/herself in a list of the finest and best sumo gamers. Great show!

World Championship: In Aki Basho one player took the lead in the Championships. This player was still leading while I was scoring the Kyushu games. There were 17 games to be scored. After 16 games the particular player was still up front by a close margin. However, in the 17th and last game someone else overtook him again. In the end, our World Champion has won with a pretty close margin.

Fujisan alert: Fujisan told that he is dying to see his results. In order to prevent him from dying, here are some tidbits. He finishes the World Championships among the top 10.

[Fujisan]

Kyushu Masters: since two games were missing, and for various other reasons the score of the Green mawashi winner was very low (lower than three or four players in Aki Basho). The winner of the Green mawashi comes directly out of left field - he or she didn't have a single point in 2005 and now finds himself/herself in a list of the finest and best sumo gamers. Great show!

Fujisan alert: Fujisan told that he is dying to see his results. In order to prevent him from dying, here are some tidbits. He finishes the World Championships among the top 10.

(Laughing...) Thank you,that will do me a big improvement on 165th last year.

The green mawashi winner wouldn't be from France would he/She?

[Fukurou]

Out of curiousity, has any progress been made toward the banzuke for Sekitori Toto? The website is missing the banzuke for the Kyushu 2006 tournament, and of course the one that's due soon would be for Hatsu 2007.

(Since this has been discussed before I would have attached this to a previous thread, but I couldn't find the previous thread...)

(Laughing...)

[Randomitsuki]

(Since this has been discussed before I would have attached this to a previous thread, but I couldn't find the previous thread...)

I've merged your thread with the older one and slightly renamed the topic.

[Asashosakari]

Out of curiousity, has any progress been made toward the banzuke for Sekitori Toto? The website is missing the banzuke for the Kyushu 2006 tournament, and of course the one that's due soon would be for Hatsu 2007.

The Toto banzuke has been ready for a while, but I've been unable to get through to Max for about the last three weeks to get them approved/uploaded.

Edit: Almost forgot...Additionally, he'd asked me to hold off on the Makushita portion of the January banzuke because one player had sent two days' worth of picks manually that weren't yet entered into the database, so I've only done the "safe" part of the Hatsu banzuke (down to about Ms30). That's been pretty much the status for all of December.

Edited December 21, 2006 by Asashosakari

[Ganzohnesushi]

The Toto banzuke has been ready for a while, but I've been unable to get through to Max for about the last three weeks to get them approved/uploaded.

Edit: Almost forgot...Additionally, he'd asked me to hold off on the Makushita portion of the January banzuke because one player had sent two days' worth of picks manually that weren't yet entered into the database, so I've only done the "safe" part of the Hatsu banzuke (down to about Ms30). That's been pretty much the status for all of December.

Is there any update on this? We haven't heard anything at all since then. Currently Max plays Bench Sumo so he should be available....

Ganzohnesushi

[Asashosakari]

Is there any update on this? We haven't heard anything at all since then. Currently Max plays Bench Sumo so he should be available....

Where's that shoulder-shrugging smiley when you need it...in short, no, nothing new here.

[Ganzohnesushi]

...no, nothing new here.

That's really bad (Wearing a paperbag...) In ST we still have the Aki '06 Banzuke and in six days we could start working on Haru '07 Banzuke already....

Ganzohnesushi