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Kyushu basho winner

Koriyama

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  1. 1. Who will win upcoming Kyushu basho?

    • Asashoryu
      32
    • Chiyotaikai
      1
    • Kotooshu
      8
    • Tochiazuma
      6
    • Hakuho
      2
    • Kaio
      1
    • Miyabiyama
      0
    • Kotomitsuki
      1
    • Kisenosato
      4
    • Kokkai
      1
    • Aminishiki
      0
    • Roho
      1
    • Ama
      0
    • Baruto
      0
    • Kyokushuzan or some other rikishi
      2

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Koriyama Sandanme

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OK. Who will win upcoming Kyushu basho? Yokozuna yet again? (Blushing...) :-S

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Ryukaze Komusubi

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Hakuho has looked very good during this pre- Kyushu basho's keiko recently. Also being out of the spotlight a little for the time being, (due to his Tsuna run ending last basho) coupled with the motivation by the recent death of his grandmother may make him a much stronger pick than many may think. "白鵬 に 優勝 (Blushing...) !

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Jejima Dai-yokozuna

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Hakuho has looked very good during this pre- Kyushu basho's keiko recently. Also being out of the spotlight a little for the time being, (due to his Tsuna run ending last basho) coupled with the motivation by the recent death of his grandmother may make him a much stronger pick than many may think. "白鵬 に 優勝 (Blushing...) !

Sadly...... :'-(

Jonosuke Yokozuna

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I voted for Roho because no one else has done yet and I always wanted to be the first (Shaking head...)

Actually I have been impressed by his "on-dohyo" performance for the last couple of bashos. He has power and skills now to overwhelm anyone including Asashoryu.

What he lacks currently is the mental discipline Asashoryu has to focus solely on the basho throughout 15 days. If Roho can harvest all his concentration to sumo and cast aside all the other noise, then I think he has an excellent chance of winning the yusho.

Personally I think he will be the next Ozeki, not Kisenosato or Baruto.

Shibouyama Maegashira

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The intractable Shiseki (歯石) will meet the tough, lean wrestler Tsumayouji (爪楊枝) in the final and throw him down like a twig.

(Shaking head...)

Or maybe Asashoryu will win it again.

ilovesumo Yokozuna

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Baruto...haha... (Shaking head...) He is happy that he can walk and I would be glad if he can finish the Basho without giving the last kick to destroy the knee fully...

slt Juryo

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I'm glad someone still has hope for Kaio !!

That would be a fantastic result for Kyushu...

Still, I doubt anyone will snatch the yusho from Asashoryu.

Ryukaze Komusubi

Ryukaze

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The winner of the fight between Asashoryu and Tochiazuma will win this Basho

Oooooooo thats a hard one to predict........ (I dunno...) lol

kaiguma Ozeki

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The winner of the fight between Asashoryu and Tochiazuma will win this Basho

Yes, this is the best way to put it! When Tochiazuma has the inner strength to give his all the whole basho, he displays a relentless consistency. So if he can beat Asashoryu, he can yusho.

Oooooooo thats a hard one to predict........ :-) lol

It is true, as Kotoseiya Yuichi said, that his record is 10-12 v. Asashoryu. Even more telling, it's 6-7 v. Yokozuna Asashoryu. The last time Tochiazuma beat the yokozuna (don't think too hard - it was just this past March) he also took the yusho (duh!) and following that bout on senshuraku his record vs. Yokozuna Asa was 6-5. Don't you remember that also right after that bout Hakuho had to run to the locker room so he could privately boohoo into his panties?

So, it's actually not so easy to predict, precisely because Tochiazuma is impossible to predict. Will he pull it together for Kyushu? I certainly hope so! He usually strikes when we least expect it, maybe because the media buzz tends to weaken his resolve. But I haven't heard an utterance on Tochiazuma from Kintamayama nor Tooyama, so I put my money on our big loveable chestnut (I dunno...)

[also because I know it would be ridiculous to vote for Ama :-D ]

EDIT: Senshuraku for Shonichi, oops . . .

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Sasanishiki Yokozuna

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I went for Kotooshu. He seems to have slipped under teh radar with all the atention on Kaio's recovery, Hakuho's toe and the like. Perhaps he is building methodically for the tournament? Or perhaps he is flying under the radar because he is doing nothing!! Anyway, it will be interesting to see what he brings to his time in Fukuoka.

Ryukaze Komusubi

Ryukaze

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Don't be too deceived by Tochiazuma's "record" vs Asashoryu. Their meetings more often than not are fewer and further between due to none other than mighty "Tochiazuma's" chronic injuries. Thus making his "1 win per year if he's lucky" victory over Asashoryu stand out all the more. Trust me if these two met more regularily like they should the win desparity between them would be much greater, (favoring the Yokozuna of course.......)

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Mark Buckton Yokozuna

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I half agree with Ryukaze. It's not that Tochiazuma can't beat Asashoryu. He has a better record against the yokozuna than most. I just feel that many of those wins came when nothing was at stake or when Asashoryu was injured. I can seem to remember too many occasions when Tochiazuma beat a healthy Asashoryu to take the yusho or deny the yokozuna one.

2003 Kyushu. :-) Tochi won the last bout on senshuraku to claim the yusho. Had he lost - it would have gone to Asashoryu.

Asa only lost to an ozeki - Kaio IIRC as well as another - I forget who now.

Tochi lost to Chiyotaikai as well as Tosanoumi (IIRC - and perhaps not)

The picture a second after the bout as Tochi clenches his fists is in most of the restaurants I use near my home. Signed too so probably given as thanks to all those who display 'Gambare Tochiazuma' posters each basho.

Pretty major event and I think Tochi has a better record than everyone against the yokozuna - bar a few 1 or 2 fight foes on his way up of course.

ilovesumo Yokozuna

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Don't be too deceived by Tochiazuma's "record" vs Asashoryu. Their meetings more often than not are fewer and further between due to none other than mighty "Tochiazuma's" chronic injuries. Thus making his "1 win per year if he's lucky" victory over Asashoryu stand out all the more. Trust me if these two met more regularily like they should the win desparity between them would be much greater, (favoring the Yokozuna of course.......)

Good point.

kaiguma Ozeki

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Don't be too deceived by Tochiazuma's "record" vs Asashoryu. Their meetings more often than not are fewer and further between due to none other than mighty "Tochiazuma's" chronic injuries. Thus making his "1 win per year if he's lucky" victory over Asashoryu stand out all the more. Trust me if these two met more regularily like they should the win desparity between them would be much greater, (favoring the Yokozuna of course.......)

Good point.

Certainly a good point, but not proof-positive. If Tochiazuma had been forced to battle Asashoryu each time he went kyujo, he would definitely lose. But I make my statements based on the assumption that he is now healthy. As long as we count only matches where he was healthy enough to step on the dohyo, we are looking at solid numbers. Of course I know you (Ryukaze) think he sat out several basho with fake injuries, so we will probably never agree on this one. I'm willing to bet on it though - just a gut feeling.

Ryukaze Komusubi

Ryukaze

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I'm not so sure about "fake injuries," more a threshold of pain issue maybe. Whereas some other guys, (oh I dont know.....lets just use the Yokozuna as an example here) if there a little bumped and bruised or even suffering from minor injuries perhaps might opt to fight it out. Tochiazuma on the other hand just doesn't seem to be able to do this, and due to the inordinant amount of kyujo he has had as opposed to other rikish the odds of it being mere coincidence, (i.e. actual kyujo barring injury) just seems small.

With regards to your other comment, I "agree" had Tochiazuma faced the Yokozuna on some of these (MANY!) occasions he has been out due to "injury" he very likely would have many more losses to the Yokozuna. However, as long as we are on the "healthy enough" subject don't say all of Tochiazuma's wins in their head to head matchups have come against a healthy Asashoryu. We need look no further than their bout on the final day of Hatsu of this year, (in the which Asashoryu did not go kyujo inspite having suffered a severe injury to his right arm due to a kotenage by Hakuho) so I guess we can't really count that as a healthy head to head win huh?........

My point being again that Tochiazuma's record against the Yokozuna is exaggerated, unless he is seemingly 100% healthy he doesn't face Asashoryu. Yet while im not going to look through every video of their past matchups, I'd be more than willing to bet the Yokozuna has faced him while not completely 100% (thus in the two's head to head records we are seeing Tochiazuma's wins over both a 100% and non 100% healthy Asashoryu, yet we do not see Asashoryu's wins over a non 100% healthy Tochiazuma becasue he just kyujo's!) Almost like a guerrila war tactic lol Tochiazuma faces him the 2-3 times a year he is healthy gets his one win maybe and goes kyujo skewing their head to head record, (yet is still behind in wins.) Lastly don't patronize all of us by saying the winner of the Tochiazuma Asashoryu bout will decide the Yusho, when Tochiazuma isn't even the #2 man in the game.

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kaiguma Ozeki

kaiguma

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Lastly don't patronize all of us by saying the winner of the Tochiazuma Asashoryu bout will decide the Yusho, when Tochiazuma isn't even the #2 man in the game.

Okay, so now you beg the question: with Hakuho out, who is the #2 man? Since you are a hater of both Tochiazuma and Kotooshu, I really can't even begin to guess . . . Chiyotaikai (Nodding yes...) ?

I certainly have more respect for him than I did when I first started following, but he's no #2 man. Tochiazuma is the only one to yusho this year in a basho where the Yokozuna didn't go kyujo. Sure there are many factors involved, but . . . who else could you nominate?

[And for the record, I don't think Tochiazuma yushoed because of Hakuho's kotenage. He was solid steel in Hatsu basho.]

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