Hakuho, Baruto, Miyabiyama, Kisenosato Promotion Watch

[yamaneko]

And miyabiyama wins too, so all promotion hopefulls win today. I thought he was going to lose, as tochiazuma was getting him to the edge a couple of times. Miyabiyama has pretty decent stamina for being the fattest guy in makuuchi.

[Yuriyama Ren]

So everyone at 2-1. This promotion watch is starting to get interesting. (Eh?)

[Jakusotsu]

@yamaneko

I'm starting to get bothered by Your one-liners. This isn't a chatroom, You know. Please don't spill Yourself all over the place for no good reason.

[yamaneko]

Spill myself all over the place for no good reason? Im staying on topic with all of my posts. Look at other posts, (im not judging), how threads turn into talks about how much weight people have gained. This is a message board, and i dont understand how you can take offense to posts that are on topic. Ive been posting on all kinds of message boards for years like this. "Off topic" posts abound at times, and those do irritate me at times, but I dont complain about it, because if it was truly terrible, the admin would give a warning to those people. I also see threads STARTED every day on things that most couldnt care less about like henkas, etc. But you choose to attack my on topic posts in my own thread?

[aderechelsea]

Look at other posts, (im not judging), how threads turn into talks about how much weight people have gained.

trully outraging ..... (Eh?)

i propose a ban ....

[Ossetian Yokozuna]

Jakusotsu - WHY?

Are you joking?

What is rong with yamaneko?

[yamaneko]

trully outraging .....

i propose a ban ....

Exactly... i mean, its not like its a big deal! Yet technically those kind of posts are more "inappropriate" than mine, yet Im the one being attacked. lol.

Just dont read my posts if they offend you...i dont read the henka posts because i couldnt care less about them. But i dont go in their threads saying to stop beacuse they are bothering me.

Anyway, back on topic......

Time will tell if aderechelsea will still be vindicated with his prediction...i dont think today was a correct sign either....it seemed like it was more like kotomitsuki's ineptness as opposed to kisenosato's "greatness" that decided the bout today.

TOmorrow's "Promotion Watch" Bouts:

Baruto Vs. Roho - Roho seems to be on a tear this tourney. Baruto cant just win on raw power, as roho is no weakling himself....

Miyabiyama vs. Kokkai - Another great match against a powerful opponent.

Kisenosato vs. Chiyotaikai - yet another good match

Hakuho vs. tokitenku - Might see some technical tricks?

Anyway in at least the first three bouts, i think we will really get a clearer sense of how these guys will do as each of them are pitted against formidible opponents.

Edited September 12, 2006 by yamaneko

[Jakusotsu]

@yamaneko:

I didn't say You were off-topic, nor do I have a problem with what You post. It's just how it's posted, that's all.

Writing "Lets see how hakuho and miyabiyama do." just to follow it up three minutes later with another post might do well in a chatroom, but these boards are not read in realtime mode. It's a bit irritating for me, that's all.

Just a friendly hint, no offence intended.

[Manekineko]

In other words, what Jakusotsu meant was that instead of writing, as you did:

Post#1:

well so far baruto and kisenosato have taken care of business today. Lets see how hakuho and miyabiyama do.

Post#2:

ok, hakuho took care of business today even though he wasnt able to do "his sumo." But one thing that got me, was he laughing right after his win ?

Post#3:

And miyabiyama wins too, so all promotion hopefulls win today. I thought he was going to lose, as tochiazuma was getting him to the edge a couple of times. Miyabiyama has pretty decent stamina for being the fattest guy in makuuchi.

...you could put all that into one post. It would make the topic much more readable. If Jakusotsu hadn't, I would have mentioned it to you (over PM, though).

General disclaimer: I didn't write this one as a mod.

[SalParadise]

I have a lot more faith in Baruto against the other Europeans than I do against the others, actually. The (sad?) reality is that the Europeans, for a large part, seem to focus a lot more on power than on technique. Kotooshuu has leverage, and his wins seem to be related, for a large part, to that leverage. Kokkai has tons of power, but he looks like a mad flailer up there much of the time. Roho and Hakurozan tend to show their 'technique' in the form of henka and backing away hataki-komi attempts when their power doesn't immediately prevail.

And Baruto has more power than any one of them.

Now I'm not saying this is unique to European rikishi mind you. Obviously there's a lot of the same from Hokutoriki, or Miyabiyama, or Chiyotaikai, etc. But the reality is that the Europeans seem far more one dimensional, as a group, than the other nationality rikishis. I do not think this is a bad thing, as they tend to excel at their particular brand of sumo (as did the Hawaiians in their day in the sun, etc.), only that it gives them, as a group, a distinct disadvantage against Baruto. Because he's just a mountain of flesh.

However on fire Roho may be, if it becomes a contest of sheer power, Baruto will clean the floor with Roho. I think we may see a henka or something of the sort, but we'll have to wait and see like everyone else. I wouldn't mind seeing Roho upended a-la Kotooshuu last tournament against Baruto -- watching a powerful rikishi get tossed like a sack of potatoes is a sight to behold.

Final prediction:

- Roho wins if his 'tachiai' (either henka or 'normal') overpowers/outmaneuvers Baruto

- Baruto wins otherwise

Baruto comes in high, and is just asking for it at the tachiai. If Roho takes a strong charge and gets good leverage, he could knock baruto off-balance and possibly get a quick win. If he henkas, then Baruto may likely move forward too fast and get beaten by experience and the almighty hataki-komi. If it gets to mawashi or chest-to-chest, Baruto's win.

(you can mock me tomorrow when it ends up being a win by Roho using some rare technique and massive strategic approach to the bout)

[Ossetian Yokozuna]

SalParadise - It is so complex ideas.

Ill HAKUROZAN have won BART.

Why do you thinck that one of the moust powerfull rikishi in OZUMO as ROHO will not win BART?

The only one disadvantege of ROHO is he have got OZUMO too late at his 22 years.

I do my bet on ROHO.

[SalParadise]

Yes, Roho is one of the most powerful rikishi in Ozumo. He is less powerful than Baruto. Therefore I think in a contest of power, Baruto will win. Not complicated.

Aminishiki beat Asashoryuu before too -- does this mean that Aminishiki should be expected to beat Roho every time?

Sumo is not rock-paper-scissors. And one win by a rikishi's brother does not indicate automatic success by another rikishi.

Mod edit: grammar points removed.

Edited September 13, 2006 by Manekineko

[Notsukutsu]

What I'm worried is that Baruto might be nervous about this match, like with Chiyotaikai the first day.

[yamaneko]

but these boards are not read in realtime mode.

Almost all boards are really. I myself am constantly refreshing the board during the basho. Also if you notice any of the active threads, almost all of them have like 10+ views a minute at times during gametime. If it was just a dead forum, of course I wouldnt post like that, since no one is reading it and i could just sum it up later. BUt I like it when people post "real time" and im always looking for those by refreshing, and if you look at the views, its obvious others do the same.

I dont do it all the time, but when there is something interesting going on i like keeping the thread updated...

I agree with osettian, based on sumo so far, baruto still is suffering from a poor tachiai, and roho seems on a tear this basho...so roho should win based on the first 3 days. But as also mentioned, in sumo anything can happen. Might day 4 finally be the day baruto has a dominating tachiai?

[Zentoryu]

BUt I like it when people post "real time"

Then why don't you use the chat forum linked to at the top of the page? You'll get all the "real-time" posting you'll ever need there.

[Asashosakari]

Also if you notice any of the active threads, almost all of them have like 10+ views a minute at times during gametime.

I think you misunderstand how that "X users are reading this topic" display works. As far as I can tell, every user simply gets listed on the thread that he/she was last reading. Since your thread is generally one of the very few that do change while the bouts are going on, it's no surprise that many people show up as reading it...not necessarily because they keep reloading, but because there's nothing else for them to read where they could otherwise be listed as "last reading". And a user is only cleared from the list after 30 minutes, so it's hardly that 10+ people are reading your thread all the time; it's just that for 10+ people your thread was the last thing (more likely, the only thing because nothing else was new) they read in the past half hour.

[Asojima]

BUt I like it when people post "real time"

Which is why you go on my IGNORE list on shonichi and come off on senshuraku. Your constant pap becomes very tiresome. Between bashos, I enjoy your contributions.

[yamaneko]

Exactly, if it offends you, thats what the ignore is for. But how did you see my post there if i was on your ignore list?

Then why don't you use the chat forum linked to at the top of the page? You'll get all the "real-time" posting you'll ever need there.

I never go to the chat room...pointless IMO. I like the continuity of message boards. Also like going back in searches to get the "feel of the moment" at different points.

Asashosakari, as far as views go, I believe thats different than what you are talking about. I wasnt talking about active viewers list, i was talking about on the main forum how it shows how many "hits" (views) that a thread has recieved. I believe the only way the number can go up is if someone refreshes the screen their on, or clicks to that thread from a different one.

[Jakusotsu]

but these boards are not read in realtime mode.

Almost all boards are really....

So why did it take You almost eight hours to reply? (Applauding...)

Seriously, Your statement is simply wrong. Just because some people might be currently reading the boards, the majority surely doesn't.

[yamaneko]

but these boards are not read in realtime mode.

Almost all boards are really....

So why did it take You almost eight hours to reply? (I am not worthy...)

Seriously, Your statement is simply wrong. Just because some people might be currently reading the boards, the majority surely doesn't.

Wrong again. I thought your whole thing was me posting a lot, (and i mentioned this too), during "gametime." People arent reading these boards much during the day (and i dont either, thus the delay in replying, other than the fact that i was sleeping), and you dont see me posting 'play by play' action during the day. Only during the gametime when there are like 5-10X as many views per hour than now. I didnt say the majority of this board reads my posts at any time. The majority of this board probably doesnt even post that often...there arent that many active viewers/posters. But the fact remains, during "gametime" there are tons and tons of views.

[Asashosakari]

Asashosakari, as far as views go, I believe thats different than what you are talking about. I wasnt talking about active viewers list, i was talking about on the main forum how it shows how many "hits" (views) that a thread has recieved. I believe the only way the number can go up is if someone refreshes the screen their on, or clicks to that thread from a different one.

Yup, that's correct. Still, this thread sits at just 1900 hits after 4 days and over 50 replies...scroll through the Honbasho archives and look at the hit counter for virtually any thread with 30+ replies and you'll see similar hit counts, even for threads that didn't feature any rapid-fire posting and/or had nothing to do with a specific day's on-dohyo events. So it's certainly incorrect to assume that many (or even most) of those 1900 hits are from people constantly reloading the thread while the bouts are going on. It's the general reader traffic during the remaining 22 hours of the day that drives the hit counts, both for this thread as well as any other. As far as I'm concerned, Jakusotsu's point stands.

Edited September 12, 2006 by Asashosakari

[Zuikakuyama]

I would also suggest that Yamaneko cut down on his serial play-by-play posts. Most people only come on once a day or perhaps twice a day to look at the day's postings, and it just doesn't make very easy reading to read 3 or 4 posts written within 10 minutes of each other doing such play-by-play, real-time musings. A nice recap would be much better, along with the next day's bouts to watch, AFTER all relevant bouts have been decided.

The current posts are really more appropriate for the chatroom.

[s0101]

I would also suggest that Yamaneko cut down on his serial play-by-play posts. Most people only come on once a day or perhaps twice a day to look at the day's postings, and it just doesn't make very easy reading to read 3 or 4 posts written within 10 minutes of each other doing such play-by-play, real-time musings. A nice recap would be much better, along with the next day's bouts to watch, AFTER all relevant bouts have been decided.

The current posts are really more appropriate for the chatroom.

I even like his PBP posts & thankful to Yamaneko for sharing his excitement in the thread rather than in a chatroom with irregular viewers such as I.

After all its his thread... I suggest you get a scroll mouse...

[Bix Poku]

The only thing we miss in this thread is a henka discussion. Sorry to mention, but almost half of post are off topic.

Returning to topic:

I envy Kokkai for his opponents and (even more) for his score against his opponents. Baruto opponents list is much less famous and he's on still on 2-1. Cant wait till he gets Kokkai and some Ozekis to wipe floor of.

[yamaneko]

Well, im not changing the way i post because it doesnt go against the rules. Im not cussing, im not STARTING off topic things within threads, i actually do get replies in my threads and posts, and there are people who do view the topics during "gametime" (just watch a thread at the beginning, and then check the view count after 2 hours, and how much more per/minute there are than during the other 22 hours of the day. Like i believe someone else said here, if it really bothers you, thats what the IGNORE feature is for. Its for ignoring posters that you might not like. I wont be offended if you put me on ignore...its not like i do the postings for you, its for the other people who do like them.

Anyway, please for the LAST TIME, lets STAY ON TOPIC.

Baruto at M1 this basho is guaranteed to go up against asashoryu isnt he?