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    Promotion/Demotion and Yusho Talk, Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

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    5 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

    In any case, barring a complete and total meltdown of the lower sanyaku (and they must definitely feed wins to each other with the kore yori sanyaku coming up, among other things)

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only bout that hasn't taken place among the quartet is the presumed day 15 first kore yori matchup between Daieisho and Hoshoryu.

    Corona and sumo

    in Ozumo Discussions

    Posted

    10 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

    Why? There's nothing that says that e.g. somebody who exited involuntarily with a 5-2 record can't be treated based on that win-loss differential (which would be equivalent to a 9-6), and it would certainly be no less fair than throwing out the result altogether. The only sticking point would be the joi where the schedules are highly uneven if incomplete, everybody else will have had a relatively fair crack at however many bouts they got through. Whether they'll opt to open that can of worms is a different matter, assuming they finish the basho at all at this point.

    This is probably what I'd do. In any case, I hope they say something and not just hold a banzuke meeting with results not announced for weeks as usual. Although I guess we'd probably be able to glean a bit of info from juryo promotions.

    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

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    1 hour ago, Rocks said:

    Going by Jason's video. The earliest I would say you could suggest there could be a stoppage is 6:23. The point Chris indicates is 6:24. 6:25 Insouke indicates a stop, moves towards rikishi and by 6:26 has reached them and is waving frantically for stoppage. 2 seconds is hardly sufficient to warrant the wholesale overhaul of sumo procedures. 

    I think the knot already looks like it's starting to get untied at 5:50, but I don't know how loose it needs to be before a mawashi matta is typically called. At 6:23/6:24 the strand comes out of the knot, and that's when Inosuke starts to act...maybe acting earlier would have avoided the whole thing.

    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

    Posted

    This video does make it clear, though, that the rear belt knot was clearly coming loose earlier, when the wrestlers were at an impasse, and had it been tightened there, we would have avoided the farce that followed.

    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

    Posted

    6 hours ago, Johnofuji said:

    "The gyoji shall not order the temporary halt of a bout during offensive moves of competitors."

    I guess the problem with this is that it does not acknowledge the possibility that the gyoji may screw up, and makes no provision for what to do in that case.

    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

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    3 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

    Yeah? Interesting. I don’t follow cycling so I’m only aware of what’s happening in sports I do watch.

    That said, the point wasn’t really about whether sumo is special or not, but how long the policy is going to remain in place and whether there’s an exit strategy. Covid is here to stay, so does that mean heya isolations are too? Most major sports leagues have basically put Covid behind them and only ask individuals to isolate. Fixtures are fulfilled. Crowds have no restrictions. Are honbasho ever likely to return to that level of normality?

    True. In this year's Tour de France, individual riders have withdrawn after positives, but not their entire teams, and in at least one case a rider was even allowed to continue despite a positive with a very low Ct. In 2020 and 2021, things were much stricter. Japan has been much more conservative than most other places, and given their death rates, it's hard to blame them, but they've been slowly relaxing (see spectator numbers) and this policy will presumably follow suit.

    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

    Posted

    13 minutes ago, Eikokurai said:

    I’m yet to hear of an entire football squad being quarantined for two weeks because one person at the club has Covid, especially now in 2022. That, I would say, is the difference. One Premier League player gets Covid and only he has to isolate, not his teammates or coaches who have been around him all day in training, travelled with him on the team bus or stayed in the hotel with him at away matches. Some matches were cancelled in 2020 and 2021 when a team had so many infected they couldn’t fulfill the fixture, but there have been plenty of games that have gone ahead when just one or two players at the club contracted the virus.

    Entire cycling teams have had to withdraw from World Tour stage races any number of times...

    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

    Posted · Edited by Reonito

    30 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

    1 more win would take him fro 95% certain to 99% certain... Just looking back through the database I noticed the wrestler now known as Okinoumi got 5-2 at Ms1w in November 2008 and was rewarded with a promotion to Ms1e. Those were hard times... http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&form1_rank=ms1w&form1_wins=5&form1_losses=2&form2_rank=ms

    Wow, that's harsh. Getting stuck there with a 4-3 is somewhat more common. Theoretically, he still could end up as low as 5th in the promotion queue (behind Takakento, Roga, Kanno, and 7-0 Oshoryu or Shonannoumi), not that I see that happening.

    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

    Posted · Edited by Reonito

    5 hours ago, Bakayokozuna said:

    In his latest video, Chris Sumo says Mitakeumi keeping his rank is an official thing. Has someone found matching informations or is he getting too fast here ?

    Love a lot of his work, but he says a lot of things with unwarranted certainty

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    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

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    12 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

    No wonder Tochinoshin dealt relatively well with it this time!

    Just looked at the arasoi - if I haven't read it wrongly, if Tobizaru loses and Ichinojō wins, he'll have opened up a 2-win lead before nakabi. I'm not sure how to perform the query but it feels like it's definitely a first for a hiramaku leader, and might even be an absolute first (maybe Asashōryū or Hakuhō did better?).

    Absolute: Wakanohana Haru 1998 most recently among others.

    Hiramaku: Kongo Hatsu 1972,

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    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

    Posted

    13 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

    Shimazuumi looking pretty sharp against Yago today, going straight wins since his opening two day losses. Might be someone we could see in makuuchi soon.

     

    He's got only one trick—morozashi—but somehow his opponents have not worked out how to shut down his attempts to get it. I don't think it'll play higher up the banzuke...

    Nagoya 2022

    in Honbasho Talk

    Posted

    14 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

    Time for Kinbozan to order his new mawashi. Given his shikona I think gold would be a good choice.

    He should get one more win to make sure (I'll take 3 more, too).

    Guess Hokutofuji's Aite - July 2022 edition

    in Sumo Games

    Posted · Edited by Reonito

    8 hours ago, Gurowake said:

    it only ended up not being Sadanoumi because of Abi for some reason getting paired down that low instead of Ichinojo due to them apparently deciding to force Ichinojo vs. Kotonowaka, which I would have never thought to have happened this early

    I think we forgot about the "nakabi effect" in which they deviate from the pattern in favor of more high-profile bouts.

    9. Sadanoumi.

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