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Reonito
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Russian uses patronymics as well, but as middle names, not as surnames.
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With 24 hours to the deadline, and assuming no news,
- Tochinoshin
- Myogiryu
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Day 2 seems like a real banana peel, not sure I want to think about it that hard until we have a better idea if everyone's competing.
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14 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:
Why won't the former ōzeki be in his way? I'm no pundit, but of the trio of Ishiura, Kawazoe, and Asanoyama, I'd say Ishiura is the one least likely to stay perfect. Upper makushita isn't a cakewalk, even without said former ōzeki.
Sorry, I thought you meant a healthy Ishiura wasn't a good bet to go 7-0 in random basho, not one with Asanoyama also going for it.
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12 hours ago, Seiyashi said:
Ishiura might be good enough to be a lower makuuchi regular but I doubt, even healthy, he's 7-0 material.
Really? In Makushita? Without a former Ozeki in his way?
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On 01/09/2022 at 20:29, Hoshotakamoto said:
I don't know if this was posted elsewhere but I just realized that Asanoyama and Ishiura probably can't both get promoted back to Juryo in a single shot, which feels like bad luck for Ishiura, who competed in his last match at a career high rank of M5.
Not that there's much info out there, but I haven't seen any indication he's ready to come back, so he may have bigger things to worry about than having to beat Asanoyama in order to go 7-0.
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I guess I knew the Juryo banzuke was pretty wacky, but I don't think I'd appreciated just how wacky. At nearby ranks, Azumaryu (4-7-4) went down half a rank, Tohakuryu (3-8-4) went down 1 rank, Daishoho (4-9-2) went down ... 5 ranks? What? Even the non-kyujo promotions/demotions seem all over the place...
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3 hours ago, Kintamayama said:
I'll bet the farm a 7-0 does it , regardless of other records.
The Juryo records could in theory work out so that there's nobody to demote, though this hasn't happened since the 1960s. And with Kaisei's retirement we don't have an Ms1e who could stake a similarly strong claim, so for all intents and purposes he's going up with a 7-0, unless something extremely unusual happens.
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The first half of Chris's video on this is somewhat informative based on his translation of the Nikkan Sports analysis, before it descends into conspiracy theorizing and the usual lack of understanding of banzuke math.
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43 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:
(Moved over from the GTB thread.)
I don't know about that. At the very least, how Endo and Hokutofuji were treated then implies inconsistency in how they looked at the fusenpai. They don't seem to have tossed it out for Hokutofuji, because to do so would mean a 7-8 record for him but he fell below Tochinoshin's real 7-8. On the contrary, if the fusenpai were counted as a loss for Endo as well (and the other absences as wins), he'd be 5-10 and should have fallen below Aoiyama, rather than stayed between Wakamotoharu and Aoiyama's nearby 6-9 records.
Elsewhere it does appear that they've consistently treated the fusenpai as a loss in the sekitori divisions, and then let the usual banzuke luck take hold so that e.g. Tamawashi stayed put with 8 losses (like Ura and Sadanoumi also did in the joi) while Tsurugisho dropped with 8 (like Chiyoshoma also did down low). However, then in juryo it's all even more messy with Azumaryu and Kaisho demoted slightly with records that weren't MK even with the fusen. I guess Kaisho can be excused simply because he's in a very crunched banzuke area, but I don't see why they dropped Azumaryu when space was still plentiful in his zone. It's almost like they tried to treat those two consistently even though it required breaking away from what they did in makuuchi.
Then in the lower divisions, it looks like the fusenpai were consistently treated as not MK-clinching; all the guys with 2-4-1 records after three real losses stayed at their ranks. (Edit: Ditto everybody who finished 3-4 with a Covid fusen.)
They messed up elsewhere, though; there are two further 2-4-1's who had four real losses + Covid exit, Kaihiryu and Kotofuno, and while they did both get demoted as one would expect, Kaihiryu seemingly got 3-4 treatment for the absence while Kotofuno got 2-5. I haven't yet looked at how much sense the promotions and demotions are making for all the other guys who had clinched KK or MK already before they were taken out.
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Commiserations to Daiamami who also got caught out by the mid-low juryo crunch and might as well have finished with a full 2-13; his new rank doesn't look much like a 4-11 equivalent (let alone a 5-10, if he'd received his stablemate Endo's apparent treatment).
And since nobody has explicitly mentioned it yet - after having fought to a 6-2 record, Ichiyamamoto is now two spots closer to juryo than he was. That's just splendid.
I don't think there is a single logic to the whole thing that was applied consistently throughout (which, of course is also true for more conventional banzuke), but the notion of padding out MK/KK COVID-kyujo records with wins/losses respectively helped me make sense of several decisions that seem inexplicable otherwise.
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2 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:
I have difficulties with considering some of them "old guard", but I bet you we lose at least 3 more from that list by this time next year.
I agree re "old guard" especially for those who took a long time to reach Makuuchi or bounced up and down, but I wanted to use an objective criterion.
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6 hours ago, just_some_guy said:
Bummer for Mitoryu that he won't be able to go for the "most consecutive basho in Juryo" record anymore. Always seemed like that was his goal.
Speaking of which, what is the record?
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13 hours ago, Seiyashi said:
One more old guard bows out.
If we draw the line at Hatsu dohyo before 2010, we have a dozen left in Makuuchi from the old guard.
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15 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:
The covid absences of those with 8 wins or losses are removed entirely from their score in calculating a win-loss differential to move that rikishi up or down a certain amount.
I don't think that's what they actually did. As @Gurowake and @Sumo Spiffy also noted, it looks roughly like for those with 8+ wins they assumed all the absences were losses, and for those with 8+ losses they assumed the absences were wins.
15 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:Oh, and obviously Endo's rank is egregious but there's always one.
Endo's placement is consistent with this interpretation, as is Nishikigi's.
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47 minutes ago, Hoshotakamoto said:
Fun fact - assuming that the average score of all GTB participants is going to be historically low, then the algorithm for computing GTB overall scores (past 6 tournaments) will weight this tournament disproportionately highly (the denominator is the average score of all participants).
Only if you assume the high scores will be disproportionately high relative to the average, right?
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3 hours ago, Asashosakari said:
The part that puzzles me is the fan perception stated in various posts around here since the end of the basho that it would somehow be fair to not move Covid rikishi who had lopsided records but not quite 8 wins/losses.
My sense is that this is fan perception of what Isegahama meant by "fair", not what many of us would actually consider fair if we were in charge of the banzuke...although it sounds like there's also real disagreement among fans as to what the "fair" approach would be. I personally would move rikishi based on win-loss differential in the bouts they actually contested, but I am not at all convinced that this is what the shimpan department opted to do.
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14 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:
Just needs to seek out Shimanoumi's advice for post-wedding sumo and then he'll be fine.
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28 minutes ago, Sakura said:
I don't know if I'm going to have time to do one this time around. I'm still jet-lagged and the Summer is busy.
Just guess where Ichiyamamoto will go, the rest falls into place
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17 hours ago, Akinomaki said:
the other Corona kyujo: Oho, Ura, Chiyomaru, Chiyoshoma, Tamawashi, Aoiyama, Myogiryu, Sadanoumi, Shimanoumi, Okinoumi
Tamawashi and Okinoumi were also pulled from the basho
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5 hours ago, Yarimotsu said:
Lack of creativity, for one.
I'd been putting it off and just had my first look.... so.... M1e Tobizaru or Midorifuji?
5 hours ago, Seiyashi said:Kotonowaka or Kiribayama, I would have thought.
There are 3 reasonable guesses for M1e, based on completely different approaches they could take to san'yaku and the C-kyujo. Then there are a couple more possibilities, based on more unreasonable things they could do. That's the thing; usually we at least know the basic rules, even if they deviate from them or apply them inconsistently.
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22 minutes ago, Reonito said:
First video, Asashoryu: We have almost reached agreement about educating a lad from Kazakhstan in sumo wrestling in Japan. I wholly support him; I would like to have my own Kazakh pupil. He is very big, with good physical characteristics. I think this will work out, and I ask everyone to support him.
Second video:
Narrator: The young energetic student from Almaty, Yersin Baltagulov, is training intensively several hours a day. The 18-year-old judoka is getting ready to enroll in a Japanese sumo school. He was told during a visit to Almaty by Asashoryu, the first Mongolian to reach the highest rank of Yokozuna, that he has all the physical tools, weighing 130 kg and standing almost 2 meters tall.
Yersin: I understand that this is a big responsibility. My relatives and the whole country believe in me. I will apply all efforts to justify their hopes and become a sumotori. I am not afraid; I aim only forward. Asashoryu believes in me, and he is the great sumo champion from Mongolia who proved to everyone how good he is. I also want to reach such heights; it is my dream.
Narrator: Kazhakh sponsors responded to help Yersin to reach this dream. The education at the prestigious school will cost 30,000 dollars, of which the government of Japan is prepared to cover 20,000. Yersin Baltagulov will head to Japan in early March. At first, the young Kazakh will get a four-month basic education in middle [sic] school, after which he will be sent to the University for Sport, where sumo training will start.
Sponsor: The most important thing is that Yersin be able to handle the training in Japan. Believe me, I’ve seen it, and it’s very hard. We want the name of Kazakhstan and this Kazakh sportsman to ring out to the entire world, and we will achieve this.
Narrator: The first stage of learning sumo lasts a minimum of 3 years, depending on the talent and the accomplishments of the student. From the first days of enrolling in sumo school, Kazakh Yersin Baltagulov will have to participate in fights with more experienced peers. We have to hope that his desire and aspiration will help him win in tournaments and earn the respect of the Japanese public and then the whole world, which in turn will bring glory to Kazakhstan.
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On 28/07/2022 at 13:11, Kenneth Minami said:
Kinbozan was firstly mentioned in 2015 on Kazakh TV as a potential deshi of Asashoryu.
https://youtu.be/JBCQd9lV4kwFirst video, Asashoryu: We have almost reached agreement about educating a lad from Kazakhstan in sumo wrestling in Japan. I wholly support him; I would like to have my own Kazakh pupil. He is very big, with good physical characteristics. I think this will work out, and I ask everyone to support him.
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First of all, huge kudos for what you do, sir. I really appreciate Natto enabling me to watch Juryo and Makushita, but you are my go-to for Makuuchi. Second, I found the "extra" vowels mildly annoying until I understood why they were there, and now they provide an extra level of insight. Third, anyone complaining about font day needs to get a life.
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19 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:
Sounds a bit conspiracist to me. More likely than not, the only credit Chris can take is to finally make the NSK aware of the fact that there was a large English audience for sumo content, and the NSK would rather collaborate with a known quantity to produce that content under their control than to partner up with someone they don't know from Adam.
And whose commentary can stray uncomfortably close to SumoTalk territory.
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Corona and sumo
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Oh this will be "fun" for GTB