Ama's potential shikona change

[sekihiryu]

I wonder what his new shikona will be, maybe Asahifuji?

this got me thinking, I like the name "Ama", Asahifuji may be historic but its not him, he is the first "Ama".

Asashoryu resisted pressure to take on the Asashio shikona' and he made the shikona that defined him famous.

Please keep it as Ama.

EDIT: This poll is not what you think will happen but what you think should happen

Edited November 20, 2008 by sekihiryu

[Doitsuyama]

I wonder what his new shikona will be, maybe Asahifuji?

this got me thinking, I like the name "Ama", Asahifuji may be historic but its not him, he is the first "Ama".

Asashoryu resisted pressure to take on the Asashio shikona' and he made the shikona that defined him famous.

Please keep it as Ama.

You know very well that Isegahama oyakata announced shikona changes for all of his rikishi, immediately for all lower rankers and with major milestones for sekitori. Maybe he wants to wait until yokozuna promotion, but ozeki promotion is a major thingy I think.

[Asashosakari]

I wonder if Oshima-oyakata would have to sign off on a new rikishi taking on the Asahifuji shikona. Granted, it's not in the same class of "extremely long-standing name" as, say, Konishiki was, where heya ownership of the name is commonly recognized, but it is an Oshima-style shikona with the asahi/kyoku kanji. Not that I think it's terribly likely that he would deny it if permission was required, but he's known as enough of a hardass vis-a-vis the foreign rikishi that perhaps it wouldn't be automatic. (There's always the "only for the tsuna" caveat that Doitsuyama already alluded to.)

Anyway, my prediction would be shikona change yes, i.e. Isegahama will indeed follow through on his words, but not to Asahifuji... As for whether it should change, I'm completely agnostic on that. I miss the Britney Spears option. (In the poll, I mean, not as a shikona for Ama.)

Edited November 20, 2008 by Asashosakari

[sekihiryu]

You know very well that Isegahama oyakata announced shikona changes for all of his rikishi, immediately for all lower rankers and with major milestones for sekitori. Maybe he wants to wait until yokozuna promotion, but ozeki promotion is a major thingy I think.

actually I dont know very well sorry, I am a slacker at the best of times, that one must have slipped my radar, I like the action side of sumo not so much the politics/kabu stuff.

I just searched the forum and found the thread.

It's here for those who missed it.

Isegahama shikona thread

still dont like the idea of changing.

[ilovesumo]

Ama is well known as Ama...

I would not change it, if I was him.

[Sokkenaiyama]

I'd like him to change his shikona into Asahifuji, but I'd prolly still refer to him as Ama, since that's how I've known him all these years.

[aderechelsea]

i hate shikona changing ...

[Kintamayama]

Ama fan, so Ama going with Ama.

Fujiama? Amanozeki?

[Jonosuke]

Isenofuji.

I kind of think it sounds catchy enough.

He won't be Asahifuji as he won't inherit the heya.

[Jeronimozo]

Fujiama? Amanozeki?

Amansgottodowhatamansgottodo

[Sokkenaiyama]

Why does he have to inherit the heya to be aloowed to have Asahifuji? Is Asahifuji reserved for Aminishiki? Will Aminishiki inherit the heya?

[Doitsuyama]

Isenofuji.

I kind of think it sounds catchy enough.

He won't be Asahifuji as he won't inherit the heya.

Five kanji? Why not, he does have something about him which remembers me of the last makuuchi rikishi with a five kanji shikona!

[Jonosuke]

Why does he have to inherit the heya to be aloowed to have Asahifuji? Is Asahifuji reserved for Aminishiki? Will Aminishiki inherit the heya?

Well he is not inheriting the heya, is he?

I am not even sure Asahifuji will even go to Aminishiki unless he becomes at least an ozeki. Aminishki already has Ajigawa so I imagine he will toil for Asahifuji until such a time for him to inherit it.

It's rare that yokozuna's shikona is given to another unless it's to a relation or heya tradition such as Takasago Beya's Asashio and Izutsu Beya's Nishinoumi.

[Sokkenaiyama]

Thanks.

[Otokonoyama]

What's wrong with Peaceful/Contented Horse?

[Zenjimoto]

No change wanted... unless it's to Amanogawa :-D

[Skotkotaikai]

Amashoryu :-D

[Kotoviki]

Ama is Ama, I don't want the change!!!!

But that was funny "Amashoryu!" :-S

Ama has his cute protrait Ama autograph picture down so well, I hate for him to have to change it!

[JariM]

I think he should change it. Ama is too short shikona for an Ozeki.

[Manekineko]

As I wrote in Gaijin thread, I really like the idea of Ama, with kyoku/asahi kanji instead of yasui for A. Morning Sun Horse! Maybe just two kanji and two syllables, but still, sounds good.

[sekihiryu]

I think he should change it. Ama is too short shikona for an Ozeki.

too short??? its exactly the same as as Kaio - two syllables, two kanji, no difference except in romanji, but that doesn't count, this is Japan.

Does Kaio have a too short shikona too? Don't recall any complaints.

The too short argument doesn't hold any water at all sorry.

魁皇 -v- 安馬 hmmmmm

Edited November 25, 2008 by sekihiryu

[Jonosuke]

According to the latest, they are considering either keeping 馬 (Ma - horse) part or replacing it with 富士(Fuji) from his shisho's AsahiFUJI (旭富士). It appears that 旭 (Asahi or Kyoku or A) is now out of the shikona.

So if Isegahama oyakata is still considering "sun" in the shikona, what will it be? I guess Terukuni is also out as it really does not go with Ma or Fuji kanji.

[Sasanishiki]

too short??? its exactly the same as as Kaio - two syllables, two kanji, no difference except in romanji, but that doesn't count, this is Japan.

Actually Kaio is four syllables in Japan as syllables are done on the kana usage. Although you've said the difference is only in Romaji it is not: although Kaio has only two kanji his pronunciation is ka-i-o-u whereas Ama, with the same number of kanji, is A-ma. We need to avoid our Western pronunciation, perception of kanji vs kana readings, and English usage of syllables in these cases. Now, whether two syllables is too short for an ozeki or not is an entirely different matter

[Asashosakari]

Actually Kaio is four syllables in Japan as syllables are done on the kana usage. Although you've said the difference is only in Romaji it is not: although Kaio has only two kanji his pronunciation is ka-i-o-u whereas Ama, with the same number of kanji, is A-ma. We need to avoid our Western pronunciation, perception of kanji vs kana readings, and English usage of syllables in these cases. Now, whether two syllables is too short for an ozeki or not is an entirely different matter

Also raised elsewhere, incidentally.

[Sasanishiki]

Well it is a fait accompli now: Harumafuji (four kanji and five syllables)