Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 This could be another idea, if you do this consequently with the rikishi it could make it much easier for some of my favourites (In a state of confusion...) We shall see how the Kyokai will deal with this and his attacking cameramen and breaking windows. He's going to be punished severely. He won't be in the next basho.He will drop to Juryo, then go home crying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shimpu 0 Posted July 15, 2006 We shall see how the Kyokai will deal with this and his attacking cameramen and breaking windows. He's going to be punished severely. He won't be in the next basho.He will drop to Juryo, then go home crying. I hope so. End of Japanese dream (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 After the match, Kokonoe Oyakata called them both and warned them about not bowing after the match. After that, Rohou hit two cameramen in the head. Kitanoumi rijichou called both of them and cautioned them as well. "The whole scene was ugly!! We've had 3-4 matches this basho where rikishi gave each other lingering dirty looks after the match. Rikishi should be fair to each other after the match, otherwise..", he said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 "Every ossetian can say - "NOBODY CAN NOT INSULT ME AND GO UNPUNISHED". Nobody insulted him, and went punished, I guess.. "Nice Guy of the Year" award goes to: Looks to me like he had one too many vodkas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ossetian Yokozuna 1 Posted July 15, 2006 Kurinoku - you say - "Apart of what Dale is saying, isn't it rather that every Ossetian (as well as everyone of any other nationality) who joins Ozumo, is expected to follow the rules and customs of that art? I respect Ossetians, their history, their "hot" character and their ways. But in Japan, you do as Japanese do, wouldn't you rather think." My answer - "There are many values common to all mankind. One of these - "HAVE RESPECT FOR OPPONENT". And who first have violated this principe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Kurinoku - you say -"Apart of what Dale is saying, isn't it rather that every Ossetian (as well as everyone of any other nationality) who joins Ozumo, is expected to follow the rules and customs of that art? I respect Ossetians, their history, their "hot" character and their ways. But in Japan, you do as Japanese do, wouldn't you rather think." My answer - "There are many values common to all mankind. One of these - "HAVE RESPECT FOR OPPONENT". And who first have violated this principe? By asking him if he was OK? At least, that is what the Japanese Press are saying, but maybe after being hit on the head by the "calm one", they may have forgotten what really happened.. Edited July 15, 2006 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shakuyaku 0 Posted July 15, 2006 Kurinoku - you say - "Apart of what Dale is saying, isn't it rather that every Ossetian (as well as everyone of any other nationality) who joins Ozumo, is expected to follow the rules and customs of that art? I respect Ossetians, their history, their "hot" character and their ways. But in Japan, you do as Japanese do, wouldn't you rather think." My answer - "There are many values common to all mankind. One of these - "HAVE RESPECT FOR OPPONENT". And who first have violated this principe? By asking him if he was OK? At least, that is what the Japanese Press are saying, but maybe after being hit on the head by the "calm one", they may have forgotten wht really happened.. They say he asked if he was ok? He looked very angry for someone asking that ;-) The truth is, no one knows the truth, besides perhapse Roho and Chiotaikai. No one likes to loose and it's not always easy to behave like you should. Why not leave it at that and let the rest be sorted byt respective beyas and Sumo organisation? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 They say he asked if he was ok?He looked very angry for someone asking that ;-) The truth is, no one knows the truth, besides perhapse Roho and Chiotaikai. No one likes to loose and it's not always easy to behave like you should. Why not leave it at that and let the rest be sorted byt respective beyas and Sumo organisation? You couldn't see what he looked like , because he had his back turned to the cameras. And yes, it will be sorted out by the "respective heyas and Sumo organization". What did you think, that we can do something about it? Sumo's new popularity in Europe has brought with it all sorts of new fans, hasn't it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurinoku 0 Posted July 15, 2006 My answer - "There are many values common to all mankind. One of these - "HAVE RESPECT FOR OPPONENT". And who first have violated this principe? My opinion: the one who keeps his calm, walks away with moral victory. Regardless of who violated first. Btw, I start to wish that perhaps it was all a big misunderstanding - perhaps Roho misheard what Taikai said, and interpreted it as an insult. I really hope that there was no bad intention from either part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted July 15, 2006 Oh, come on Don't make a mountain out of a molehill. Some provocative words from Chiyotaikai (that's what I believe), a bad reaction of Roho ... and that's it. We all say and do things which are stupid, although you shouldn't misbehave in Germany, Japan, Ossetia and elsewhere. No provocative words from Chiyotaikai-He asked him if he was OK. Kinta-san is right, IMO. You could see Taikai say what appeared to be "daijoubu", or "You OK?". No sound, so his tone could be in question, but fairly sure about what Wolf Cub said. Even a sarcastic "You OK?" shouldn't provoke such a wild outburst by the foreign devil ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 Another historical picture of the epitome of sumoudou.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otokonoyama 2,735 Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Not exactly evidence in favour of the defense...Roho DeNiro in Raging Bull. Edited July 15, 2006 by Otokonoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 Btw, I start to wish that perhaps it was all a big misunderstanding - perhaps Roho misheard what Taikai said, and interpreted it as an insult. I really hope that there was no bad intention from either part. I guess you are pretty new to Sumo.. Rohou has a long history of total disrespect to sumo ways, not the least of them, having an open quarrel with Asashouryuu during the YDC souken in front of Sumo's most influential people. Rohou go home! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurinoku 0 Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) The truth is, no one knows the truth, besides perhapse Roho and Chiotaikai. I think there was many people around in close vicinity, included those who had the honour to host Roho on their laps. (A yokozuna...) Why not leave it at that and let the rest be sorted byt respective beyas and Sumo organisation? You wish... :-) As well we could've said that the incident between Materazzi and Zidane should have left at that and let the rest be sorted byt respective national football organisations and and FIFA... Instead it is still selling many magazines around the world. :-( That's the way of human nature... ;-) Edited July 15, 2006 by Kurinoku Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shibouyama 1 Posted July 15, 2006 It didn't look to me like Chiyo was asking Roho if he was ok. He had an angry, confrontational look on his face. You CAN see his face on Dale's clip. It totally looked like Chiyotaikai started it (without, of course, knowing exactly what Chiyotaikai said. As noone on this forum knows what either wrestler said exactly). Seems bad behavior on both parts, but most members here seem to want to crucify Roho based on previous bad behavior. Need I remind that Asashoryu, current Dai-Yokozuna had many incidents of bad behavior in his early yokozuna days. Should he have been thrown out with the trash? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 Another version: After the match, Rohou broke the window in the bath where Chiyotaikai was. Cameramen came running and attempted to take pictures. Rohou lunged at the cameras of photographers from Mainichi and Chunichi shinbuns, and broke them along with one of the guys' glasses. The Mainichi guy went to the hospital. After taking a bath, a calmer Rohou said "It wasn't on purpose.. I think it was wrong", half apologising. "He said to me なんだオラ, which I think translates as 'you got a problem, bro?' (does it?) and that pissed me off", he explained. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Need I remind that Asashoryu, current Dai-Yokozuna had many incidents of bad behavior in his early yokozuna days. Should he have been thrown out with the trash? Not this kind of trouble, and he never continued arguing as he was sitting down at the dohyo-side. Rohou is to blame. Rohou is a shame to Sumo. I don't particularly care for Taikai either, but none of the sources I have read so far have quoted him as saying anything wrong. Again, typical closing of the ranks of the foreign fans gang brigade, who know not. Edited July 15, 2006 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terarno 46 Posted July 15, 2006 Sumo's new popularity in Europe has brought with it all sorts of new fans, hasn't it... Do you mean it's a shame that Sumo popularity didn't stay within USA borders, where all the true fans (I mean, experts) are ? In that case, maybe it's a shame it didn't stay among japanese people exclusively. I agree with you, Kintamayama, about the fact that Roho should be punished. And I can see that some people have strange ways to argue about it. But your sentence about european fans is really weird. Even for someone with a great Sumo knowledge like you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shibouyama 1 Posted July 15, 2006 Again, typical closing of the ranks of the foreign fans gang brigade, who know not. What do you mean by this? Most of the members posting on this thread are taking Chiyotaikai's side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 Do you mean it's a shame that Sumo popularity didn't stay within USA borders, where all the true fans (I mean, experts) are ? In that case, maybe it's a shame it didn't stay among japanese people exclusively.I agree with you, Kintamayama, about the fact that Roho should be punished. And I can see that some people have strange ways to argue about it. But your sentence about european fans is really weird. Even for someone with a great Sumo knowledge like you. It is, isn't it? And no, I didn't want it to stay "within USA borders", whatever the hell that means.. I meant that the new fans who arrived in the footsteps of Baruto and Rohou and others should have some respect/learn about sumo's ways before they mouth off. That's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shakuyaku 0 Posted July 15, 2006 I think there was many people around in close vicinity, included those who had the honour to host Roho on their laps. (A yokozuna...) True. But it very much a matter of perception and how you interpret things. And _that_ truth is only theirs, we can't get into anyones head and hear what they heard. You wish... :-) As well we could've said that the incident between Materazzi and Zidane should have left at that and let the rest be sorted byt respective national football organisations and and FIFA... Instead it is still selling many magazines around the world. :-( That's the way of human nature... ;-) It is :) We will argue over this until hell freezes over! Roho did wrong. No one can argue with that, he broke the code of conduct and he didn't show respect. As others have pointed out, he seems to have done this before. In that case, he is, and should be, in a whole lot of trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,413 Posted July 15, 2006 (edited) Again, typical closing of the ranks of the foreign fans gang brigade, who know not. What do you mean by this? Most of the members posting on this thread are taking Chiyotaikai's side. Count again, and I was answering you actually. You have been appointed head of the brigade as of now! Edited July 15, 2006 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shibouyama 1 Posted July 15, 2006 Again, typical closing of the ranks of the foreign fans gang brigade, who know not. What do you mean by this? Most of the members posting on this thread are taking Chiyotaikai's side. Count again, and I was answering you actually. You have been appointed head of the brigade as of now! What an honor! But, by what authority are you bestowing this honor upon me? Do you have some special title I'm not aware of? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurinoku 0 Posted July 15, 2006 Btw, I start to wish that perhaps it was all a big misunderstanding - perhaps Roho misheard what Taikai said, and interpreted it as an insult. I really hope that there was no bad intention from either part. I guess you are pretty new to Sumo.. Rohou has a long history of total disrespect to sumo ways, not the least of them, having an open quarrel with Asashouryuu during the YDC souken in front of Sumo's most influential people. Rohou go home! Pretty new... Well, yes, 13-14 years isn't that much I guess, compared to many others here. In respect of current case, I'd rather plead guilty of certain naivit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites