Miyabiyama

[Susanoumi 0]

In the Natsu Basho Miyabiyama gained an excellent 14-1 result, the best one during his career. In the past he was often inconstant and had bad results after successful bashos. I am lookings forward to the Nagoya basho and maybe he can make the ozeki promotion this year. (Sigh...) (Punk rocker...)

[Sasanishiki 57]

No, I don't see it. The pressure of promotion will get to him.

[Asojima 2,873]

I think he will get 10 or 11. Not enough for promotion, but enough to keep his promotion possibility open for the Aki basho. I will be surprised if he makes it, even then.

[_the_mind_ 0]

I think he will get 10 or 11. Not enough for promotion, but enough to keep his promotion possibility open for the Aki basho. I will be surprised if he makes it, even then.

really you think 11 wont be enough for promotion?

[Asojima 2,873]

I think he will get 10 or 11. Not enough for promotion, but enough to keep his promotion possibility open for the Aki basho. I will be surprised if he makes it, even then.

really you think 11 wont be enough for promotion?

If two ozekis disappear due to promotion and retirement, he might have a chance with 11 wins, but I think the Kyokai will want a stronger proof of consistency before they repromote him. With four or five ozekis, there is no rush to promote him.

[Zentoryu 154]

If two ozekis disappear due to promotion and retirement, he might have a chance with 11 wins, but I think the Kyokai will want a stronger proof of consistency before they repromote him. With four or five ozekis, there is no rush to promote him.

If he gets 11 wins next basho, that would give him 35 over three tournaments (2 more than is normally required), all of them in Sanyaku. There is no way the Kyokai doesn't promote him, regardless of how many Ozeki are already on the banzuke.

I don't believe they have ever denied promotion to someone with 35 wins over three tournaments.

[_the_mind_ 0]

If two ozekis disappear due to promotion and retirement, he might have a chance with 11 wins, but I think the Kyokai will want a stronger proof of consistency before they repromote him. With four or five ozekis, there is no rush to promote him.

given that the kyokai is starving for attraction other then Asa, i dont see why they would be more stringent then normal in promoting another ozeki, especially if he earned it. the rest of the banzuke makes his case even stronger to have acheived what he did against the number of ozeki already there, and actually having to fight them this time (which he didnt do the last time he was ozeki). it diminishes his accomplishment to say "sorry Miyabiyama, we know you did great but there are too many ozeki already, sorry, no promotion for you" i seriously doubt if he gets 11 that he wont get promoted, regaurdless of if Hakuho gets promoted or Kaio retires.

[Cammy 0]

I really hope that he gets up to ozeki that would be awesome (Sign of approval) (Clapping wildly...) :-)

[ikishima 0]

I ran through the too many ozeki thinking in my mind as well. But if I remember correctly when Miyabi was last promoted we had Maru, Taka and Akebono as yokazuna + four other ozeki. That was an even more crowded top of the banzuke than we have today.

[Ryukaze 0]

Miyabiyama's effort last basho was without a doubt surprising, even considering his latest performance's however I wont hold my breath with regards to his re-reaching Ozeki status next basho (sorry to all you "Miya" fans but your boy wont make it happen... (Sign of disapproval)) Incidentally...Does anyone recall when the last time was that a former Ozeki recovered his rank after an absence of a number of years? (i.e. fighting in the maegashira ranks or lower until reaching Ozeki again.) My guess would be such instances have indeed been few and far between. -

[_the_mind_ 0]

(sorry to all you "Miya" fans but your boy wont make it happen... (Sign of disapproval))

tell us what else will happen this basho? oh great seer of the future. please be specific, as you were specific in saying he will NOT get the obvious 10 wins for promotion.

its one thing to say you dont think it will happen, its another to say "it wont" .....unless you are a fortune teller. im sure many people could have easily said "he WONT have a dozen wins" last basho....and they would be wrong because he had 14. im sure you would be one of those people. to have even suggested he would win a career high last basho would have been extremely unlikely at best, so how do you know what he diffinitively will and wont do before it happens? you arent predicting, you are just hating on him and his recent succes

Edited June 20, 2006 by _the_mind_

[Ryukaze 0]

you arent predicting, you are just hating on him and his recent succes

Hmmm... now what on earth would make you think that? By saying "He wont make it happen" im simply saying "NO I DO NOT THINK HE WILL EARN OZEKI PROMOTION NEXT BASHO" and nothing more. (Let me know if this still isn't clear enough for you.)

[Shomishuu 0]

Incidentally...Does anyone recall when the last time was that a former Ozeki recovered his rank after an absence of a number of years? (i.e. fighting in the maegashira ranks or lower until reaching Ozeki again.) My guess would be such instances have indeed been few and far between. -

Right - as in never, I believe...at least in the modern era. Maybe in 'olden' times when they only did two basho per year, so a mere eight basho absence would have covered four years. Something like that...but only something like that.

Edited June 20, 2006 by Shomishuu

[Sasanishiki 57]

Kaiketsu dropped out of Ozeki for 7 basho (All of 1976 and Jan 1977) and dropped as low as M4. He remained at Ozeki for only 4 basho in 1977 before dropping down the ranks. He retired in early 1979 as a Maegashira 9.

[_the_mind_ 0]

you arent predicting, you are just hating on him and his recent succes

"NO I DO NOT THINK HE WILL EARN OZEKI PROMOTION NEXT BASHO" and nothing more. (Let me know if this still isn't clear enough for you.)

say it louder, it makes you more right. use the bold letters and a bigger font next time and you will be even more right.

[Fay 1,677]

you arent predicting, you are just hating on him and his recent succes

"NO I DO NOT THINK HE WILL EARN OZEKI PROMOTION NEXT BASHO" and nothing more. (Let me know if this still isn't clear enough for you.)

say it louder, it makes you more right. use the bold letters and a bigger font next time and you will be even more right.

Well Miyabiyama will show him, that he earns it :-)

Edited June 21, 2006 by Fay

[Shibouyama 1]

Well, I think he'll make it next bashou with 11 or 12 wins.

Also, I'm proud to say, I was the first one last basho who saw his Ozeki run coming up, based on his previous tourney and his strength in the first 4 days. I was agreeing with the naysayers at first last basho, but after his strong finish w/o choking, I think he can do it next month.

:-)

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

He certainly is a nice bloke and I always love to read his comments in rikishi talk. I wouldn't begrudge re-promotion to him at all, but the notion of having Ozeki Miyabiyama on the banzuke again is a bit disturbing to me. Will Dejima follow suit?

[Fay 1,677]

He certainly is a nice bloke and I always love to read his comments in rikishi talk. I wouldn't begrudge re-promotion to him at all, but the notion of having Ozeki Miyabiyama on the banzuke again is a bit disturbing to me. Will Dejima follow suit?

hope so, I'm waiting for him so long .... :-)

[ilovesumo 12]

Hope can move much...Look at soccer (Blowing up furiously...)

To me it is even cool to see him doing that well, if he get the promotion or not. Remember what happened in the last years. Not too many young japanese guys were treated as maybe-soon-Ozeki and now it is Miya again. A big (Blowing up furiously...) . :-)

[Gusoyama 98]

The way I look at it, who's to stop him? Sure, he can easily lose to Hakuho and Asashoryu, but he can beat Kaio, Kotomitsuki, Kotooshu, Chiyotaikai, and all the rest at the top. The only person to stop him is himself. I think the reason he dropped from his Ozeki spot the first time was a combination of incredible competition in the upper ranks(Akebono, Musashimaru, Takanohana, Kaio and Chiyotaikai in high form from basho to basho) and a lack of self-confidence. Combine that with his injury, which statistically caused his downfall, and you've got a recipe for wallowing in joi-jin for the last 4 years, though he has shown a few spurts of greatness whenever he was lower than M4. As late as this past basho, I didn't think he would make it back, and I didn't think that he would be a "good ozeki" if he did. But I think he's as good as any of the Ozeki that are in there right now, with the exception of Hakuho.

[Tikozan 4]

I think, he has a chance, but I fear, it's not or a long time, he's not enough constantly.

[Bishonohana 0]

I'm not positive that the promo will happen for Miyabiyama. (Shaking head...) But then I didn't think he could win that many last Basho either... :-S Who knew??? I am NOT a fan of the Miya, but if he can pull it off, he will be promoted . I for one will not be rooting for him, but if he can do it, more power to him! (Sign of approval)

[YukataNinja 0]

I think he will get 10 or 11. Not enough for promotion, but enough to keep his promotion possibility open for the Aki basho. I will be surprised if he makes it, even then.

really you think 11 wont be enough for promotion?

If two ozekis disappear due to promotion and retirement, he might have a chance with 11 wins, but I think the Kyokai will want a stronger proof of consistency before they repromote him. With four or five ozekis, there is no rush to promote him.

From the post basho YDC thread:

Regarding Miyabiyama and ozeki promotion?

Miss Uchidate: (To Kitanoumi Rijicho) Would around 10 victories be sufficient?

Rijicho: Nyet on less than 10. We would prefer 11 wins.

So I guess 10 is iffy, and 11 is a sure thing.

[yamaneko 2]

not a good start today as he was absolutely manhandled by roho.