Naganoyama 5,841 Posted November 12, 2005 (edited) Jonokuchi W-jk40 Katsurada (0-0) vs W-jk39 Fukaya (0-0) E-jk37 Arai (0-0) vs W-jk37 Akasaka (0-0) E-jk35 Morioka (0-0) vs W-jk35 Tsukasaumi (0-0) W-jk32 Masunoumi (0-0) vs W-jk31 Wakaizumi (0-0) E-jk30 Yamamoto (0-0) vs W-jk30 Iwanaga (0-0) E-jk26 Osawa (0-0) vs W-jk26 Eigashima (0-0) E-jk24 Kanai (0-0) vs W-jk24 Maekawa (0-0) E-jk22 Aononami (0-0) vs W-jk22 Fujioka (0-0) E-jk20 Kida (0-0) vs W-jk20 Hariya (0-0) E-jk18 Kaneko (0-0) vs W-jk18 Hasada (0-0) E-jk16 Waki (0-0) vs W-jk16 Tamashinzan (0-0) E-jk14 Ishihara (0-0) vs W-jk14 Ogata (0-0) E-jk11 Ogawa (0-0) vs W-jk11 Dewamiyako (0-0) E-jk9 Daitenpaku (0-0) vs W-jk9 Taikomaru (0-0) E-jk7 Hidehikari (0-0) vs W-jk6 Miyakofuji (0-0) E-jk5 Tominoumi (0-0) vs W-jk4 Okanohana (0-0) E-jk2 Wakasato (0-0) vs W-jk2 Asahisho (0-0) Jonidan E-jd125 Hisatsukasa (0-0) vs W-jd125 Bizennishiki (0-0) E-jd123 Kasachikara (0-0) vs W-jd123 Oishikawa (0-0) E-jd121 Fujita (0-0) vs W-jd121 Hokutotsukasa (0-0) E-jd119 Daisenpu (0-0) vs W-jd119 Ishimoto (0-0) E-jd117 Osuzuki (0-0) vs W-jd116 Fujimura (0-0) W-jd115 Azumahikari (0-0) vs W-jd114 Asahi (0-0) E-jd113 Hokutonami (0-0) vs W-jd112 Wakamiura (0-0) E-jd111 Kuramochi (0-0) vs W-jd110 Asakubo (0-0) E-jd109 Masaru (0-0) vs W-jd108 Akofuji (0-0) E-jd107 Kotokaneko (0-0) vs W-jd106 Zendaisho (0-0) E-jd104 Maeryu (0-0) vs W-jd104 Saio (0-0) E-jd102 Onofuji (0-0) vs W-jd102 Ishiminato (0-0) E-jd100 Hayatefuji (0-0) vs W-jd100 Sato (0-0) E-jd98 Nakata (0-0) vs W-jd98 Iwata (0-0) E-jd96 Terunohana (0-0) vs W-jd96 Amanowaka (0-0) E-jd94 Fujiazuma (0-0) vs W-jd94 Kotsukasa (0-0) E-jd92 Hokuo (0-0) vs W-jd91 Ryusei (0-0) E-jd90 Takaurata (0-0) vs W-jd89 Tsutsumi (0-0) E-jd88 Asakimizuka (0-0) vs W-jd87 Hori (0-0) E-jd85 Koshinho (0-0) vs W-jd85 Nekomata (0-0) W-jd83 Takita (0-0) vs W-jd82 Kono (0-0) E-jd81 Takanokuni (0-0) vs W-jd81 Inui (0-0) E-jd79 Anrai (0-0) vs W-jd79 Yamada (0-0) E-jd77 Hayashida (0-0) vs W-jd77 Daika (0-0) E-jd75 Yatsurugiyama (0-0) vs W-jd75 Wakayushi (0-0) E-jd73 Takayasu (0-0) vs W-jd73 Namiki (0-0) E-jd71 Maeshinpu (0-0) vs W-jd71 Taketoba (0-0) E-jd69 Kai (0-0) vs W-jd69 Beppu (0-0) E-jd67 Tokiwakuni (0-0) vs W-jd67 Okamoto (0-0) E-jd65 Matsunoumi (0-0) vs E-jd66 Kasugashima (0-0) E-jd63 Marikomaru (0-0) vs W-jd63 Haruhikari (0-0) E-jd61 Tokizakura (0-0) vs W-jd61 Yodonishiki (0-0) E-jd59 Noguchi (0-0) vs W-jd59 Yakunoshima (0-0) E-jd57 Dewahikari (0-0) vs W-jd57 Azumi (0-0) E-jd55 Takahashimoto (0-0) vs W-jd54 Koga (0-0) E-jd53 Ohirayama (0-0) vs W-jd52 Fusahikari (0-0) E-jd51 Suzunoumi (0-0) vs W-jd49 Kotoyashiro (0-0) E-jd48 Nakaita (0-0) vs W-jd47 Takahiryu (0-0) E-jd45 Tamakishin (0-0) vs E-jd46 Mogaminishiki (0-0) E-jd43 Sonoda (0-0) vs W-jd43 Sokenzan (0-0) E-jd41 Kinokawa (0-0) vs W-jd41 Ikemoto (0-0) E-jd39 Onami (0-0) vs W-jd39 Miura (0-0) E-jd37 Goto (0-0) vs W-jd37 Matsuhara (0-0) E-jd35 Seifu (0-0) vs W-jd35 Tomishima (0-0) E-jd33 Kawataka (0-0) vs W-jd33 Konofuji (0-0) E-jd31 Azusayumi (0-0) vs W-jd31 Kasuganami (0-0) E-jd29 Umenokawa (0-0) vs W-jd28 Kasugasato (0-0) E-jd27 Takaryu (0-0) vs W-jd26 Kasugaumi (0-0) E-jd25 Daishokaku (0-0) vs W-jd24 Asahio (0-0) W-jd23 Yoshida (0-0) vs W-jd22 Maegunzan (0-0) E-jd21 Genkaimaru (0-0) vs W-jd20 Tosa (0-0) E-jd18 So (0-0) vs E-jd19 Hokutonada (0-0) E-jd17 Kubota (0-0) vs W-jd16 Maenofuji (0-0) E-jd15 Yoshino (0-0) vs W-jd14 Komanohide (0-0) E-jd13 Hidaka (0-0) vs W-jd12 Masutoo (0-0) E-jd11 Takaisamu (0-0) vs W-jd10 Tochinokuni (0-0) E-jd9 Arashitenyu (0-0) vs W-jd8 Daigoki (0-0) E-jd7 Onizakura (0-0) vs W-jd6 Daitenyu (0-0) E-jd5 Chiyonoshima (0-0) vs W-jd4 Kosei (0-0) E-jd3 Kabutoiwa (0-0) vs W-jd2 Daishodake (0-0) Sandanme E-jd1 Tamanosho (0-0) vs W-sd100 Omatsuda (0-0) E-sd99 Araumi (0-0) vs W-sd98 Nishitani (0-0) E-sd97 Tamayutaka (0-0) vs W-sd96 Daishowaka (0-0) E-sd95 Bungonishiki (0-0) vs W-sd94 Hokutosho (0-0) E-sd93 Kagamio (0-0) vs W-sd92 Ginkakuzan (0-0) E-sd91 Maenoshima (0-0) vs W-sd90 Ryujin (0-0) E-sd89 Karatsuumi (0-0) vs W-sd88 Hanakaze (0-0) E-sd87 Kurosawa (0-0) vs W-sd86 Tensho (0-0) E-sd85 Wakafubuki (0-0) vs W-sd84 Kiyoseryu (0-0) E-sd83 Kitanogo (0-0) vs W-sd82 Kozakura (0-0) E-sd81 Dainin (0-0) vs W-sd80 Shimasegawa (0-0) E-sd79 Kanko (0-0) vs W-sd78 Arawaka (0-0) E-sd76 Yuminosato (0-0) vs W-sd76 Arauma (0-0) E-sd74 Wakatora (0-0) vs W-sd74 Yutsukasa (0-0) E-sd72 Shotenyu (0-0) vs W-sd72 Wakakengo (0-0) E-sd70 Takahashi (0-0) vs W-sd70 Shikinoumi (0-0) E-sd68 Nakatani (0-0) vs W-sd68 Umebayashi (0-0) E-sd66 Oseumi (0-0) vs E-sd67 Takanoya (0-0) E-sd64 Ako (0-0) vs W-sd64 Ryuyo (0-0) E-sd62 Kumago (0-0) vs W-sd62 Nagai (0-0) E-sd60 Fukunaga (0-0) vs W-sd60 Shinzan (0-0) E-sd58 Maeda (0-0) vs W-sd58 Tanno (0-0) E-sd56 Ryutei (0-0) vs W-sd56 Hokuryu (0-0) E-sd54 Nionoumi (0-0) vs W-sd54 Shinyu (0-0) E-sd52 Danyu (0-0) vs W-sd52 Yonemura (0-0) E-sd49 Kagemaru (0-0) vs W-sd49 Tatsutsukasa (0-0) W-sd47 Wakafujita (0-0) vs W-sd46 Towanoyama (0-0) E-sd45 Morishita (0-0) vs W-sd45 Shinnishiki (0-0) E-sd43 Ryukiyama (0-0) vs W-sd43 Kirinishiki (0-0) W-sd41 Shima (0-0) vs W-sd40 Tokinoumi (0-0) E-sd39 Gotenyu (0-0) vs W-sd38 Fujiarashi (0-0) E-sd36 Takashoma (0-0) vs E-sd37 Ikioi (0-0) E-sd34 Tokiryu (0-0) vs E-sd35 Tamaryoma (0-0) E-sd32 Oisami (0-0) vs W-sd32 Miyamaru (0-0) E-sd30 Wakanoho (0-0) vs W-sd30 Goki (0-0) E-sd28 Soryuzan (0-0) vs W-sd27 Koriki (0-0) E-sd26 Chokozan (0-0) vs W-sd25 Wakakasuga (0-0) E-sd24 Mizuguchi (0-0) vs W-sd23 Murayoshi (0-0) E-sd21 Takaazuma (0-0) vs W-sd21 Takanofuji (0-0) E-sd19 Akiyama (0-0) vs W-sd19 Hidenofuji (0-0) E-sd17 Mitanoyama (0-0) vs W-sd17 Orora (0-0) E-sd15 Tokusegawa (0-0) vs W-sd15 Nakanishi (0-0) E-sd13 Daihoyama (0-0) vs W-sd13 Hamaeiko (0-0) E-sd11 Takakitamura (0-0) vs W-sd11 Taika (0-0) E-sd9 Satsukiumi (0-0) vs W-sd9 Fudoyama (0-0) E-sd7 Kadomoto (0-0) vs W-sd7 Kurazono (0-0) E-sd5 Wakayuki (0-0) vs W-sd5 Tokihikari (0-0) E-sd3 Daionami (0-0) vs W-sd3 Kotonomine (0-0) E-sd1 Gokenzan (0-0) vs W-sd1 Fujiryu (0-0) Makushita E-ms59 Chiyonohana (0-0) vs W-ms59 Kotoyutaka (0-0) E-ms57 Minaminoshima (0-0) vs W-ms57 Ashu (0-0) E-ms55 Kazafuzan (0-0) vs W-ms54 Tochifudo (0-0) E-ms53 Maenowaka (0-0) vs W-ms52 Yakigaya (0-0) E-ms51 Tatsugami (0-0) vs W-ms50 Kirinoumi (0-0) E-ms49 Kyokutenzan (0-0) vs W-ms48 Kotokuni (0-0) E-ms46 Tamawashi (0-0) vs W-ms46 Daiki (0-0) E-ms44 Ryugi (0-0) vs W-ms44 Tatsuyutaka (0-0) E-ms42 Hoshizakura (0-0) vs W-ms42 Ichinotani (0-0) E-ms40 Kainowaka (0-0) vs W-ms40 Toshinyama (0-0) E-ms38 Kasugakuni (0-0) vs W-ms38 Sadanoshima (0-0) E-ms36 Hananosato (0-0) vs W-ms36 Daitensho (0-0) E-ms34 Hokutojo (0-0) vs W-ms34 Nakanokuni (0-0) E-ms32 Dewanofuji (0-0) vs W-ms32 Sawai (0-0) E-ms30 Asahibenten (0-0) vs W-ms30 Matsumidori (0-0) E-ms28 Dewanosato (0-0) vs W-ms28 Koriyama (0-0) E-ms26 Kitataiki (0-0) vs W-ms26 Maikaze (0-0) E-ms24 Furuichi (0-0) vs W-ms24 Tochitenko (0-0) E-ms22 Rikiryu (0-0) vs W-ms22 Oumiryu (0-0) E-ms20 Bushuyama (0-0) vs E-ms21 Daisogen (0-0) E-ms18 Surugatsukasa (0-0) vs W-ms18 Yutakamaru (0-0) E-ms16 Kakureizan (0-0) vs W-ms16 Komanofuji (0-0) E-ms14 Yanagawa (0-0) vs W-ms14 Ryuo (0-0) E-ms12 Tamarikido (0-0) vs W-ms12 Fukuzono (0-0) E-ms11 Chiyohakuho (0-0) vs W-ms11 Yoshio (0-0) E-ms10 Yoshiazuma (0-0) vs W-ms9 Kotokanyu (0-0) E-ms7 Daishoma (0-0) vs W-ms7 Hokutoiwa (0-0) E-ms5 Kinkaiyama (0-0) vs W-ms5 Sumanofuji (0-0) E-ms3 Homasho (0-0) vs W-ms3 Wakakirin (0-0) E-ms1 Hochiyama (0-0) vs W-ms1 Kotokasuga (0-0) Edited November 12, 2005 by Naganoyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sakana 46 Posted November 12, 2005 Thank you ! I hope you'll do this experiment again. (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aderechelsea 124 Posted November 12, 2005 thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou please burden us with this experiment daily .... (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted November 12, 2005 (edited) It would be good if you could make the romanizations the same as I do. At least we should settle for the "correct" ones. For example, your Omiryu is just wrong, it's Oumiryu as o and umi are different kanji. Edit: This was my first pretty quick spot. I can't see more differences now, but maybe you could compare your romanizations with mine (see my full banzuke post for easy reference) and contact me for the differences if necessary. Edited November 12, 2005 by Doitsuyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,783 Posted November 12, 2005 It would be good if you could make the romanizations the same as I do. At least we should settle for the "correct" ones. For example, your Omiryu is just wrong, it's Oumiryu as o and umi are different kanji.Edit: This was my first pretty quick spot. I can't see more differences now, but maybe you could compare your romanizations with mine (see my full banzuke post for easy reference) and contact me for the differences if necessary. Enjoy. (In a state of confusion...) [/td][td]Jd71e Jd119e Doitsuyama Maeshinpu Daisenpu Naganoyama Maeshinpu Daisempu Kyokai Maeshimpu Daisempu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted November 12, 2005 It would be good if you could make the romanizations the same as I do. At least we should settle for the "correct" ones. For example, your Omiryu is just wrong, it's Oumiryu as o and umi are different kanji.Edit: This was my first pretty quick spot. I can't see more differences now, but maybe you could compare your romanizations with mine (see my full banzuke post for easy reference) and contact me for the differences if necessary. Thanks for spotting this. I will correct it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted November 12, 2005 It would be good if you could make the romanizations the same as I do. At least we should settle for the "correct" ones. For example, your Omiryu is just wrong, it's Oumiryu as o and umi are different kanji. Edit: This was my first pretty quick spot. I can't see more differences now, but maybe you could compare your romanizations with mine (see my full banzuke post for easy reference) and contact me for the differences if necessary. Enjoy. (In a state of confusion...) [/td][td]Jd71e Jd119e Doitsuyama Maeshinpu Daisenpu Naganoyama Maeshinpu Daisempu Kyokai Maeshimpu Daisempu Oh, ah, hmm. I think I will go wth Doitsu for now and change Daisempu to Daisenpu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,345 Posted November 12, 2005 Why don't you both go with MY spelling? OK, kidding... This is very much appreciated. I (and I'm sure an overwhelming majority of forumers) will definitely enjoy it , look forward to it and use it wisely. Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gernobono 455 Posted November 12, 2005 Why don't you both go with MY spelling? OK, kidding... This is very much appreciated. I (and I'm sure an overwhelming majority of forumers) will definitely enjoy it , look forward to it and use it wisely.Thank you. i do not really care for n or m in names, but i think this service is just GREAT (In a state of confusion...) please continue posting the next day's minor division bouts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asojima 2,870 Posted November 12, 2005 Good Stuff! Was planning on posting makushita lineup daily, but if you are going to keep this going, I will just sit back and enjoy it. (In a state of confusion...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taka 33 Posted November 12, 2005 (edited) Yes this is excellent and very much appreciated. Edited November 12, 2005 by Taka Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted November 12, 2005 It would be good if you could make the romanizations the same as I do. At least we should settle for the "correct" ones. For example, your Omiryu is just wrong, it's Oumiryu as o and umi are different kanji.Edit: This was my first pretty quick spot. I can't see more differences now, but maybe you could compare your romanizations with mine (see my full banzuke post for easy reference) and contact me for the differences if necessary. OK - now checked against your banzuke. I have corrected one embarrassing mistake which I won't go into. (In a state of confusion...) The only remaining discrepancy which I have spotted is that I have Jd34e as Ouka and you have Oka. The Kyokai have Ring Name History : Miyajima - Oka - Ouka so I guess his shikona was changed to distinguish it from banzuke-gai Oka. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oshirokita 173 Posted November 12, 2005 (edited) Let me add my appreciation for this topic too! Not being able to navigate through Japanese info, this is great to have. It will certainly add more to my enjoyment of the lower divisions and help me follow my picks in the Makushita game, Banzuke Surfing, and Pick the Yusho Winners, too. Edited November 12, 2005 by Oshirokita Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jan 0 Posted November 12, 2005 (In a state of confusion...) This is great, now I shall know which days I can lie in and which I need to get up early to watch the Makushita bouts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted November 12, 2005 Nice work, but I have a question about this one... E-jd53 Ohirayama According to Doitsuyama's banzuke Jd53e is Taiheizan. Is this a mistake or a shikona change that I hadn't heard about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted November 12, 2005 Nice work, but I have a question about this one... E-jd53 Ohirayama According to Doitsuyama's banzuke Jd53e is Taiheizan. Is this a mistake or a shikona change that I hadn't heard about? It's an alternate reading, possibly created by Naganoyama (and I thought he had stuff automated...). We could make a cool game creating plausible and cool sounding alternate readings for everyone, lower division or not. Guess who in Makuuchi could be Chōshōrō? (rō admittedly rare reading but still...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted November 12, 2005 I think it is great for many but personally will stick to the Nihongo - part of the enjoyment of watching the lower bouts - reading and figuring some of it. Think Naganoyama is a 'she' BTW Doits-san. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terarno 46 Posted November 13, 2005 Awesome ! Thanks a lot, Naganoyama ! (Applauding...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted November 13, 2005 Nice work, but I have a question about this one... E-jd53 Ohirayama According to Doitsuyama's banzuke Jd53e is Taiheizan. Is this a mistake or a shikona change that I hadn't heard about? Sorry. Teething problem. I am looking up the shikona and picking up a historical rikishi with that reading. I should be looking up the rank. Woolly thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted November 13, 2005 Looking up the rank isn't foolproof either - gets hairy when there are several makushita tsukedashi entrants. Looking by kanji shikona / basho is a good key as a shikona may not exist twice in the same basho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted November 13, 2005 Looking up the rank isn't foolproof either - gets hairy when there are several makushita tsukedashi entrants. Looking by kanji shikona / basho is a good key as a shikona may not exist twice in the same basho. Yes. I agree. At the very least I should look up the shikona and check that it returns a rikishi on the current banzuke! Ohirayama was last on the banzuke in January 1937. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted November 14, 2005 It would be good if you could make the romanizations the same as I do. At least we should settle for the "correct" ones. For example, your Omiryu is just wrong, it's Oumiryu as o and umi are different kanji. I just noticed that both Stewart Nelson and Bandey have got this shikona wrong. O+umi is a tricky case ... As o+umi at the end of shikona is so common, they have obviously countered for that, but not o+umi at the beginning. I don't think there is any universal solution for this romanization problem, short of looking at the kanji. Is there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,173 Posted November 14, 2005 (edited) A general solution for this is impossible, I think. My algorithm just looks o+umi anywhere in the shikona, so it was ok. But there will always be some possibilities to trick that. There could be an Oumiryu with same hiragana, but long Ou at the start, easily. Luckily I haven't seen a long o (ko, so, cho, no, mo etc.) + mi yet. Edited November 14, 2005 by Doitsuyama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naganoyama 5,841 Posted November 14, 2005 Just to add a bit of spice to this discussion, the Kyokai have Omiryu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,783 Posted November 14, 2005 Just to add a bit of spice to this discussion, the Kyokai have Omiryu. Unusual reading then, perhaps? This page does list "mi" as a possible reading (among nearly 20 others, admittedly). Of course, the same site doesn't list a long-o reading for 青, so I guess that's not it... BTW, marginally related to all this, does anyone know how Stewart Nelson does the shikona lookups? He apparently doesn't just transcribe the kana readings, since scgroup.com strictly tracks the spellings used by the Kyokai (e.g. when they switched from Kanbayashi to Kambayashi last year, scgroup had it immediately). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
