Kintamayama 45,144 Posted September 16, 2005 (edited) 1. In both bouts, Hakuhou totally jumped the gun. Hands were nowhere near the ground, he was on Sato's side before Sato could budge. TWO classic mattas if there ever were.. 2. Wakanosato did a perfect split in bout one, and seemed to come out of it uninjured. He suddenly seemed to collapse in the second bout, and it looks like he hurt his ankle. A totallly weird second bout. 3. Undecided. Edited September 16, 2005 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Araiwa 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Second bout looked very strange indeed. Lets hope its not his old knee-injury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Hakuho won - Wakanosato's calf touched down first (right calf) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,144 Posted September 16, 2005 (edited) Hakuho won - Wakanosato's calf touched down first (right calf) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you mean in the second bout? No doubt about that, just seemed to cave in for no reason. The "undecided" was because I couldn't decide what point number three was.. Edited September 16, 2005 by Kintamayama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azumashida 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Second bout looked very strange indeed. Lets hope its not his old knee-injury. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I had the impression it was the perfect split that injured him, he was slightly limping between the two bouts but I think he was trying to hide the injury as much as possible, in order to have a chance in the tori-naoshi. Then I think it was quite obvious he was injured from the start of the second bout, he totally avoided yotsu-zumo which is not like him at all... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,144 Posted September 16, 2005 Then I think it was quite obvious he was injured from the start of the second bout, he totally avoided yotsu-zumo which is not like him at all... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To me, it looked like Hakuhou was avoiding the yotsu, because of HIS prior injury.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dale 0 Posted September 16, 2005 Second bout looked very strange indeed. Lets hope its not his old knee-injury. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I had the impression it was the perfect split that injured him, he was slightly limping between the two bouts but I think he was trying to hide the injury as much as possible, in order to have a chance in the tori-naoshi. Then I think it was quite obvious he was injured from the start of the second bout, he totally avoided yotsu-zumo which is not like him at all... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree with Azumaryu. He overextended his right leg. Had to be carried out of the Kokugukan by wheelchair to the hospital. Hakuho didn't really do anything in the torinaoshi. Wakanosato just collapsed. Doesn't look good... Dale Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azumashida 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Then I think it was quite obvious he was injured from the start of the second bout, he totally avoided yotsu-zumo which is not like him at all... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To me, it looked like Hakuhou was avoiding the yotsu, because of HIS prior injury.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, well, that's probably true too. Hakuho was avoiding it, and Wakanosato wasn't really trying anything... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doitsuyama 1,185 Posted September 16, 2005 I totally agree with Azumaryu. Wakanosato was clearly limping between the bouts and tried to hide it. No doubt about that. The second bout seemed to aggravate it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennyloh 0 Posted September 16, 2005 and Wakanosato wasn't really trying anything... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He couldn't, he was in pain ( Hakuho noticed and took his time to put him down) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Buckton 1 Posted September 16, 2005 Hakuho won - Wakanosato's calf touched down first (right calf) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you mean in the second bout? No doubt about that, just seemed to cave in for no reason. The "undecided" was because I couldn't decide what point number three was.. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> sorry - no, meant in the first - 3 replays (back angle twice only left question about Hakuho's elbow going gown and front angle (once) showed it didn't) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,144 Posted September 16, 2005 I totally agree with Azumaryu. Wakanosato was clearly limping between the bouts and tried to hide it. No doubt about that. The second bout seemed to aggravate it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Papers are saying kyujo is a certainty- "We'll see after tonight and decide tomorrow morning", said Wakanosato, who couldn't walk up the hanamichi unaided after the bout. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bataa 0 Posted September 16, 2005 (edited) It seemed in the second bout Wakanosato's legs were already very weak(due to the injury in the 1st bout) and hakuho just displayed a simple mongolian wrestling that when he pulled down his head a little sato just crumbled.Replay showd it very clearly. Edited September 17, 2005 by Bataa Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,144 Posted September 17, 2005 It's official-Wakanosato is kyujo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shomishuu 0 Posted September 17, 2005 It seemed in the second bout Wakanosato's legs were already very weak(due to the injury in the 1st bout) and hakuho just displayed a simple mongolian wrestling that when he pulled down his head a little sato just crumbled.Replay showd it very clearly. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Right. I got the impression Hakuho knew Wakanosato was severly injured and so he just decided not to take any chances...knowing Waka couldn't continue very long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,144 Posted September 17, 2005 Right thigh biceps tear? (右大腿二頭筋断裂)- 6 weeks to recover. It looks like he will miss Las Vegas. "Instead of bemoaning the injury, I'd like to see him look positively toward getting healed", said Naruto Oyakata. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennyloh 0 Posted September 18, 2005 Right thigh biceps tear? (右大腿二頭筋断裂)- 6 weeks to recover. It looks like he will miss Las Vegas. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't worry he will be there-LAS VEGAS TOUR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryukaze 0 Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) Judging by how quickly Sato got in that deep left hand grip at the outset he should have had no problem taking care of Hakuho and winning the match no problem without giving "Mr. resourcefull" a chance. He didnt however and he just stood there waiting for Hakuho to make the first move, which ended up not only costing him the match but what appears to be a nasty groin pull injury as well. - (Eating...) Edited September 18, 2005 by Ryukaze Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sekitori 492 Posted September 18, 2005 Right thigh biceps tear? (????????)- 6 weeks to recover. It looks like he will miss Las Vegas. "Instead of bemoaning the injury, I'd like to see him look positively toward getting healed", said Naruto Oyakata. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If the injury was a tear of the thigh biceps, it's a very familiar one. The thigh biceps which is also known as the biceps femoris, and two other muscles, the semitendinosus and semimembranosus, form the hamstring muscles. A torn or pulled hamstring refers to an injury to any or all of them. Kaio suffered the same type of injury as Wakanosato apparently did--to either the same or the other muscles. But the effect is the same. These muscles all flex the leg at the knee, extend the thigh, and adduct the leg (move it to the midline). When you can't do those things, you can't do sumo, no matter how good you may be. Why Kaio was allowed to enter the basho with a torn hamstring makes no sense. Why he was allowed to compete for three days, possibly injuring himself even more, is beyond belief. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites