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Kintamayama    21,118

Asashouryuu Yokozuna

KaioU Ozeki Chiyotaikai

Wakanosato Sekiwake Miyabiyama

Sekiwake Tochiazuma

Kotomitsuki Komusubi Hakuhou

Iwakiyama M1 Tochinonada

Kotonowaka M2 Tosanoumi

Tamanoshima M3 Kokkai

Kotooshuu M4 Kakizoe

Rohou M5 Takamisakari

Kyokutenhou M6 Kaihou

Hayateumi M7 Kotoryuu

Hokutouriki M8 Takekaze

Takanowaka M9 Shimotori

Dejima M10 Kyokushuuzan

Asasekiryuu M11 Juumonji

Tokitsuumi M12 Kisenosato

Ama M13 Buyuuzan

Kasugaou M14 Tamakasuga

Tochisakae* M15 Harunoyama*

Kotoshoogiku* M16 Aminishiki*

Toyonoshima* M17 Tokitenkuu

*= promoted

The weirdest yet..Toyozakura demoted??

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Kintamayama    21,118

Juryo:

Gojoorou J1 Futenou

Toyozakura J2 Kitazakura

Takanotsuru J3 Wakatoba

Kasuganishiki J4 Ishide

Koubo J5 Kinkaiyama

Touki J6 Tamaasuka

Hakurozan J7 Outsukasa

Wakanoyama J8 Daishoodai

Asoofuji* J9 Youtsukasa

Wakakirin J10 Maikaze*

Kaidou J11 Asanowaka

Katayama J12 Sumanofuji*

Senshuuyama* J13 Chiyotenzan

Bushuuyama J14 Daimanazuru*

*=Promoted

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Kintamayama    21,118
Where did you find the Banzuke Moti?

Is Tochiazuma Haridashi East or West?

West. I found it where it usually is, but I never seem to remember, at Izutsu-beya's site.

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Jejima    274

That's a little weird - Tochiazuma at West. I know that this is how it has traditionally been, but didn't they change it to East the last recent time it occured?

Jezz

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Exil    201
First time two brothers have been east and west at the same rank?

Not sure, but I'd think there have been others. Taka-Waka?

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Exil    201

2005 Hatsu Basho Banzuke
Makuuchi Juryo
Asashouryuu Yokozuna [/td][td]Gojoorou J1 Futenou
KaioU Ozeki Chiyotaikai Toyozakura J2 Kitazakura
Wakanosato Sekiwake Miyabiyama Takanotsuru J3 Wakatoba
[/td2][td2]Sekiwake Tochiazuma Kasuganishiki J4 Ishide
Kotomitsuki Komusubi Hakuhou Koubo J5 Kinkaiyama
Iwakiyama M1 Tochinonada Touki J6 Tamaasuka
Kotonowaka M2 Tosanoumi Hakurozan J7 Outsukasa
Tamanoshima M3 Kokkai Wakanoyama J8 Daishoodai
Kotooshuu M4 Kakizoe Asoofuji* J9 Youtsukasa
Rohou M5 Takamisakari Wakakirin J10 Maikaze*
Kyokutenhou M6 Kaihou Kaidou J11 Asanowaka
Hayateumi M7 Kotoryuu Katayama J12 Sumanofuji*
Hokutouriki M8 Takekaze Senshuuyama* J13 Chiyotenzan
Takanowaka M9 Shimotori Bushuuyama J14 Daimanazuru*
Dejima M10 Kyokushuuzan
Asasekiryuu M11 Juumonji
Tokitsuumi M12 Kisenosato
Ama M13 Buyuuzan
Kasugaou M14 Tamakasuga
Tochisakae* M15 Harunoyama*
Kotoshoogiku* M16 Aminishiki*
Toyonoshima* M17 Tokitenkuu
* Promoted from lower division

Just testing tables...

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Regarding the rankings, I have a question.

Thinking about the typical scheduling of matches throughout a 15-day tournament, It seems to me that there would be a dividing line about between M4 and M5 where those rikishi ranked at M4 and above face much tougher opponents throughout the tournament than those rikishi ranked at M5 and below (because they must face the Yokozuna and all the Sanyaku). Is there such a sharp dividing line, or is it not much margainally harder than a typical 1- or 2-rank difference?

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Jejima    274
Regarding the rankings, I have a question.

Thinking about the typical scheduling of matches throughout a 15-day tournament, It seems to me that there would be a dividing line about between M4 and M5 where those rikishi ranked at M4 and above face much tougher opponents throughout the tournament than those rikishi ranked at M5 and below (because they must face the Yokozuna and all the Sanyaku). Is there such a sharp dividing line, or is it not much margainally harder than a typical 1- or 2-rank difference?

You're basically correct. The top non-sanyaku are known as the joi-jin, and usually have to face all of the top guns. There is a little blurring due to same-heya rikishi at the top who won't have to meet each other, and so need to dip down a little further into the banzuke to find opponents.

Also, if there are any rikishi outside of this top group having a great basho, they will be brought up against a sanyaku foe (and thereby relieiving one of the joi-jin from such a match-up). Also rikishi close to the imaginary dividing line with a winning record will sometimes face sanyaku opponents in preference to rikishi with a losing record (to give the sanyaku better opposition.) just above the imaginary line.

Jejima

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Regarding the rankings, I have a question.

Thinking about the typical scheduling of matches throughout a 15-day tournament, It seems to me that there would be a dividing line about between M4 and M5 where those rikishi ranked at M4 and above face much tougher opponents throughout the tournament than those rikishi ranked at M5 and below (because they must face the Yokozuna and all the Sanyaku). Is there such a sharp dividing line, or is it not much margainally harder than a typical 1- or 2-rank difference?

There is a SHARP dividing line. Those rikishi below sanyaku and above that line are said to be in the "meat grinder" in that they are typically elevator rikishi who are on the top side of their talent and get the "privilege" of facing the best of the best. Those that manage to survive the meat grinder generally find themselves as sanyaku regulars. Those who don't...well, does hamburger mean anything to you?

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Asashosakari    10,435
Regarding the rankings, I have a question.

Thinking about the typical scheduling of matches throughout a 15-day tournament, It seems to me that there would be a dividing line about between M4 and M5 where those rikishi ranked at M4 and above face much tougher opponents throughout the tournament than those rikishi ranked at M5 and below (because they must face the Yokozuna and all the Sanyaku). Is there such a sharp dividing line, or is it not much margainally harder than a typical 1- or 2-rank difference?

Again a chance to promote usage of the Matrix. (Matrix...) You'll see that there is a bit of a limbo zone (approximately 2 ranks, lately around M4-M5) where rikishi will face part sanyaku, part lower-ranking opponents, but everybody above that zone gets the full program, while everybody below (except those who are having a great basho, as mentioned by Jejima) will face basically no sanyaku (and often only one or two high-ranking Maegashira) rikishi at all.

As for the new banzuke...I'm glad I listened to those who insisted that the Kyokai's strict handling of sanyaku in recent years will produce only 3 Sekiwake. :-) I'm not even surprised that Tokitenku was kept in the division in favour of Toyozakura. (Although I had both staying in Makuuchi, and Aminishiki not getting promoted instead, oh well.) It seemed that some people were surprised by Harunoyama's promotion...he was second or third in line if we go by the regular equating of wins and rank differences, no?

One complaint though, about Juryo...what the heck, Maikaze to J10w?! I had him at J14e, bypassing only Daimanazuru...

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Kintamayama    21,118
It seemed that some people were surprised by Harunoyama's promotion...he was second or third in line if we go by the regular equating of wins and rank differences, no?

The promotion itself was no surprise to me-just the extent, which to me is totally off the wall, just like Maikaze's. Seems like the Bench Sumo Banzuke committee was involved here..

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Guest Vincentoryu   
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Gojoro not in Makunouchi? Very cruel on him by the banzuke committee

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Elenrian    0

:-) Kotomitsuki: 10/5, and not promoted!!! (Pulling hair...) How unfair!!! (Sign of disapproval) Hakuho, 12/3, and only Komusubi west!!! (Matrix...)

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Doitsuyama    1,009
Gojoro not in Makunouchi? Very cruel on him by the banzuke committee

Try participating in GTB, then you'll see the light. Why restrict your feelings to Gojoro, and not poor Futeno as well (of course Futeno has had his fair share of banzuke luck in the past). Next to expanding Makuuchi to 44 rikishi there was no way around being cruel to two rikishi.

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Guest Vincentoryu   
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Actually I have participated in GTB (and not without success I might add) but not this basho though. So I know there are always some tough decisions to make.

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Fujisan    202

Only confusion for me is Futeno and Toyozakuras demotion-

I always thought that Juryo rikishi where only promoted to fill the gaps left by demoted Makuuchi rikishi,in other words if no M rikishi had enough losses to be demoted then no J rikishi would be promoted.

Futeno and Toyozakuras W/L records would drop them to M17 and not into the Juryo division so thats that rule out the window.

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Kaihayaiha    0
First time two brothers have been east and west at the same rank?

Not sure, but I'd think there have been others. Taka-Waka?

(Oops! )

Maybe first time in juryo :)

I thought Sakahoko-Terao had something like that once no?

(Oops! ) again!

Interesting... thanks for the information :)

I'm not even going to suggest that its the first time at J2. (I am not worthy...)

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