Doitsuyama 1,192 Posted November 28, 2004 Kaio won against Asashoryu to finish with a respectable 12-3 jun-yusho, one win behind the Yokozuna. It's probably not enough to seriously consider a Yokozuna promotion, but maybe Kaio can extend his run to Hatsu where 13 wins may again be enough for him, yusho or not, in the light of his career achievement. Hakuho joins Kaio at the jun-yusho win number of 12-3, but Kotooshu and Wakanosato missed with losses on Senshuraku. They all got a Sansho for the good performance this basho. I guess Kaiho would have gotten a Sansho as well with a win, but he lost to Hakuho. The demotions from Makuuchi are a bit more difficult to settle this time as six Juryo rikishi posted records worthy of promotion with Tochisakae, Toyonoshima, Aminishiki, Gojoro, Kotoshogiku and Harunoyama but only Musoyama (Intai), Toki, Takanotsuru and Futeno are likely to free Makuuchi slots for them. Tokitenku and Toyozakura also could get demoted but the outcome on the next banzuke is anybody's guess right now. The Sanyaku situation isn't much easier. Hakuho's 12-3 from M1w looks like a lock for Sekiwake but firstly there already are three guaranteed Sekiwake positions and secondly it would vacate a Komusubi position without a worthy fill-in. Also there actually is a precedence for a 12-3 from M1w landing on Komusubi West, while a 9-6 Komusubi got a third Sekiwake slot. Pretty old from 1959 Kyushu, but still reason enough for me to speculate that Kotomitsuki and Hakuho will be the two Komusubi next basho. The banzuke committee was pretty harsh on Hakuho anyway all the time since he entered Makuuchi, I might add that I think this is for no bad intentions. Ishide managed to profit from his comparatively easy schedule, beating Katayama on Senshuraku and winning the Juryo yusho with a 12-3 record. Kotoshogiku lost in Makuuchi and finishes 10-5, while Wakatoba and Harunoyama claim second place with 11-4. Ushiomaru, Toyonokuni and Kotokasuga lost and probably join Hamanishiki in Makushita next basho. Bushuyama likely stays in Juryo with the win against Aminishiki. It's difficult to say who will get promoted from Makushita next to Asofuji, but we'll know on Wednesday. -- Doitsuyama Day 15 Juryo Ms4e Tochinohana (4-3) yorikiri J13e Toyonokuni (6-9) J13w Ishide (12-3) shitatenage J11e Katayama (7-8) J12e Tamaasuka (8-7) oshidashi J10w Chiyotenzan (6-9) J12w Hakurozan (8-7) okuridashi J9w Wakakirin (7-8) J9e Kasuganishiki (10-5)hikiotoshi J7w Kinkaiyama (8-7) J8w Kaido (6-9) yorikiri J6w Asanowaka (4-11) J7e Wakanoyama (7-8) yorikiri J5w Yotsukasa (4-11) J5e Harunoyama (11-4) yorikiri J11w Ushiomaru (5-10) J4w Otsukasa (5-10) uwatenage J14w Hamanishiki (1-14) J4e Kobo (7-8) hatakikomi J6e Daishodai (6-9) J10e Wakatoba (11-4) oshidashi J3e Kitazakura (8-7) J8e Bushuyama (5-10) yorikiri J2e Aminishiki (9-6) J1e Toyonoshima (8-7) yorikiri J14e Kotokasuga (7-8) Makuuchi M16e Futeno (7-8) yorikiri J3w Kotoshogiku (10-5) M16w Kisenosato (9-6) yorikiri M14w Ama (8-7) M13w Tamakasuga (7-8) oshidashi J2w Gojoro (9-6) J1w Tochisakae (10-5) oshidashi M12w Takanotsuru (4-11) M9w Roho (10-5) uwatenage M14e Tokitsuumi (8-7) M10e Asasekiryu (7-8) hatakikomi M9e Kotoryu (8-7) M7w Takamisakari (8-7) yorikiri M15e Kasugao (8-7) M6e Tosanoumi (9-6) hatakikomi M15w Tokitenku (7-8) M5w Kotonowaka (9-6) uwatenage M11e Hayateumi (9-6) M5e Shimotori (4-11) yorikiri M11w Hokutoriki (8-7) M12e Takanowaka (8-7) yorikiri M4w Kyokushuzan (2-13) M4e Tamanoshima (8-7) hikiotoshi M8w Buyuzan (5-10) M3w Kyokutenho (5-10) yorikiri M17e Toki (2-13) M3e Iwakiyama (9-6) yorikiri M10w Kotooshu (11-4) M2w Kokkai (7-8) yorikiri M7e Jumonji (5-10) M2e Kakizoe (6-9) oshidashi M8e Toyozakura (3-12) M1w Hakuho (12-3) oshidashi M13e Kaiho (10-5) K1w Tochinonada (6-9) oshidashi M6w Takekaze (6-9) K1e Kotomitsuki (10-5) uwatenage S1w Miyabiyama (9-6) O1w Chiyotaikai (7-8) oshidashi S1e Wakanosato (11-4) O1e Kaio (12-3) yorikiri Y1e Asashoryu (13-2) List of Sansho Kanto-sho: Kotooshu (1st) Shukun-sho: Hakuho (1st) Gino-sho: Wakanosato (2nd) List of Yusho Makuuchi: Asashoryu (9th) Juryo: Ishide Makushita: Shiraishi Sandanme: Yamamoto Jonidan: Shima Jonokuchi: Takanofuji Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 19,543 Posted November 28, 2004 (...) reason enough for me to speculate that Kotomitsuki and Hakuho will be the two Komusubi next basho. One upside to putting Hakuho at Komusubi is that they could really put him through the wringer by giving him the killer Week 1 schedule that Komusubi usually get. Granted, it's not quite as killer as it used to be (now that there would be only 6 other sanyaku + absent Tochiazuma), but it would still be a nice test for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 596 Posted November 28, 2004 (...) reason enough for me to speculate that Kotomitsuki and Hakuho will be the two Komusubi next basho. One upside to putting Hakuho at Komusubi is that they could really put him through the wringer by giving him the killer Week 1 schedule that Komusubi usually get. Granted, it's not quite as killer as it used to be (now that there would be only 6 other sanyaku + absent Tochiazuma), but it would still be a nice test for him. It will be a great test for him. We will see if he can be consistent against the top guys. I know two rikishi that will be more careful when facing him next time..... (Punk rocker...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xris 2 Posted November 28, 2004 (...) reason enough for me to speculate that Kotomitsuki and Hakuho will be the two Komusubi next basho. One upside to putting Hakuho at Komusubi is that they could really put him through the wringer by giving him the killer Week 1 schedule that Komusubi usually get. Granted, it's not quite as killer as it used to be (now that there would be only 6 other sanyaku + absent Tochiazuma), but it would still be a nice test for him. It will be a great test for him. We will see if he can be consistent against the top guys. I know two rikishi that will be more careful when facing him next time..... (Punk rocker...) What is interesting is that THIS basho, Hakuho had a light schedule in the first week, and a eavy one at the end (exact opposite to all M2, M3 and more). So I wonder if this is standard for a M1, or if they have already deceided that he belongs to list of yusho contenders that people want to see fight in the second week ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burainoan 0 Posted November 28, 2004 (edited) One thing i noticed about Hakuho is his 43-17 (Punk rocker...) record in his first four basho in makuuchi. that's pretty scary. any one come close to that? and while there may well be a 45-year-old precedent for 12-3 at M1 getting komusubi, looking at his record, he clearly merits a sekiwake promotion. i mean, he only beat one yokozuna, two ozeki, one sekiwake and one komusubi in the process.... Edited November 28, 2004 by Burainoan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 596 Posted November 28, 2004 One thing i noticed about Hakuho is his 43-17:-O record in his first four basho in makuuchi. that's pretty scary. any one come close to that?and while there may well be a 45-year-old precedent for 12-3 at M1 getting komusubi, looking at his record, he clearly merits a sekiwake promotion. i mean, he only beat one yokozuna, two ozeki, one sekiwake and one komusubi in the process.... Very much agree with the promotion to sekiwake thought. He beat most of the top guys. It would be a crying shame if he is not promoted. (Depressed...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QttP 0 Posted November 28, 2004 i mean, he only beat one yokozuna, two ozeki, one sekiwake and one komusubi in the process.... He didn't beat THE ozeki. (Bleh!) Of course, that one might not be an ozeki for long, but still... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zentoryu 154 Posted November 28, 2004 (edited) and while there may well be a 45-year-old precedent for 12-3 at M1 getting komusubi, looking at his record, he clearly merits a sekiwake promotion. i mean, he only beat one yokozuna, two ozeki, one sekiwake and one komusubi in the process.... Unfortunately for Hakuho Who he beat means absolutely nothing when deciding his promotion. It's strictly wins over losses. Given that the Kyokai's Sanyaku promotions have shown a trend towards strictness lately, I would not be surprised at all to see Hakuho stuck at Komusubi along with Kotomitsuki. Edited November 28, 2004 by Zentoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted November 28, 2004 One thing i noticed about Hakuho is his 43-17 (First prize...) record in his first four basho in makuuchi. that's pretty scary. any one come close to that? Yes. Taiho. 41-19. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yubiquitoyama 4 Posted November 28, 2004 One thing i noticed about Hakuho is his 43-17 :-O record in his first four basho in makuuchi. that's pretty scary. any one come close to that? Yes. Taiho. 41-19. Even further back Terukuni went 46-14. That's pretty difficult to beat... B-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kishinoyama 596 Posted November 28, 2004 One thing i noticed about Hakuho is his 43-17 :-O record in his first four basho in makuuchi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vincentoryu Posted November 29, 2004 QUOTE (Doitsuyama @ Nov 28, 2004, 13:02) J14e Kotokasuga (7-8) J3w Kotoshogiku (10-5) M9e Kotoryu (8-7) M5w Kotonowaka (9-6) M10w Kotooshu (11-4) K1e Kotomitsuki (10-5) Wow! Sadogatake beya !!! Six sekitori and only one makekoshi, for Kotokasuga, but it isn't a real bad makekoshi. This is a bad MK because it will get him demoted to the unpaid ranks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoshidango 0 Posted December 5, 2004 One thing i noticed about Hakuho is his 43-17 :-P record in his first four basho in makuuchi. that's pretty scary. any one come close to that? Yes. Taiho. 41-19. Terukini setting aside, this is scary.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoavoshimaru 0 Posted December 10, 2004 Why is Terukuni not showing up in this HakkeYoi query? I suspect newcomers to the forum will love this site... ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kashunowaka 300 Posted December 10, 2004 Why is Terukuni not showing up in this HakkeYoi query? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because the database only goes back to 1947. Stay tuned. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
