GTB Kyushu Basho 2025 - 335 entries -RESULTS!!

[Kintamayama 47,278]

It's getting near dark. As the days grow shorter, the nights grow a moustache.. Time to play THE fantasy sumo game. It's called  GTB, or "Guess the Banzuke". .

This is a formal invitation to play the "Guess the Banzuke" game. 27 years, 167 bashos or so. Please play. It's a free for all, I guess..

Game rules: Guess the Banzuke. Simple. You get two points for a bulls-eye and one point for just getting the rank right. You get no points for thinking Fujinokawa is Fujinowaka and vice versa.. Tiebreakers - Most total guesses, then we check the banzuke backwards - getting the lower half right will be important.  The most correct guesses in the last ten places will win the tiebreaker. If still tied we go up a ranking at a time like a penalty shootout. If still tied, the earliest entry wins. If still tied, the player who believes that Abi and Ichiyamamoto are NOT the same person wins.. It's up to you to check if you are on the list of entries. It's going to be your fault if you don't notice that your entry went missing in the Internet void. No late entries will be expected or accepted. Those are the rules, and the rules will never be changed.

For rules, standings and viral videos: http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm

For the nifty entry form, which will hopefully continue to do what it's intended to do :http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBEntry.aspx

For Chiyotasuke's incredible helper: https://gtbhelper.vercel.app

For the "new" archives:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/gtbarchive.aspx

See if you are on the entry list: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBEntryList.aspx

Deadline: Monday, October 20th, 2025  at 18:00 GMT ("Give Me Time") - PLEASE NOTE-THIS IS ONE WEEK BEFORE THE OFFICIAL BANZUKE ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Special thanks to showrunners Andoreasu, Wizard Doitsuyama for everything else, and to George Chakiris.

***MESSAGE: Please note that as you probably found out by now, the confirmation e-mail thing is not working, so I suggest a screen capture for now for those of you who wish to save their guesses. Also, some players are getting error pages after submitting. Usually, the entry is good regardless. When in doubt, e-mail me.

Edited October 27 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 47,278]

Less than two weeks.

[Kintamayama 47,278]

A week.

[Heather82Cs 15]

In an unexpected turn of events, I actually don't feel bad about most of my GTB choices, which is probably a sign I got it all wrong. My picks feel mostly /fair/, if you exclude all those underdemoted folks. I have 2 main versions I need to sleep on before going with The One.

[Wakawakawaka 219]

It seems like a banzuke where there are a lot of reasonable and/or precedented options, who will get the most coin flips correct?

I feel decent about my choices too, but then again perhaps I've flipped the coin and it fell down a storm drain.

[Reonito 1,784]

7 hours ago, Heather82Cs said:

In an unexpected turn of events, I actually don't feel bad about most of my GTB choices, which is probably a sign I got it all wrong. My picks feel mostly /fair/, if you exclude all those underdemoted folks. I have 2 main versions I need to sleep on before going with The One.

There's a metric to quantify it by @Sumo Spiffy but this is quite a lucky banzuke overall, given so many wins soaked up by the top guys. Except for a crunch in the top couple of ranks, pretty much everyone ends up underdemoted or overpromoted.

[Heather82Cs 15]

Can I submit my alternative banzuke in a way that makes it obvious I am not trying to cheat or even compete with it? I am the laziest person on earth and I 'd just love the software to automatically calculate for me which one did better (comparing the 2 different submissions).

[Sumo Spiffy 667]

9 hours ago, Heather82Cs said:

Can I submit my alternative banzuke in a way that makes it obvious I am not trying to cheat or even compete with it? I am the laziest person on earth and I 'd just love the software to automatically calculate for me which one did better (comparing the 2 different submissions).

Just post it here after the deadline. It's easy enough to calculate once the banzuke is out.

[Kintamayama 47,278]

9 hours ago, Heather82Cs said:

Can I submit my alternative banzuke in a way that makes it obvious I am not trying to cheat or even compete with it? I am the laziest person on earth and I 'd just love the software to automatically calculate for me which one did better (comparing the 2 different submissions).

Please don't.. Do what Spiffy suggested..

[Oshirokita 198]

Well, I got an entry in. My initial draft looked excellent with one exception: 4-11 Ichiyamamoto only dropped from 5W to 8E and that didn't seem possible. Fixing that caused huge cascade effects with many overpromotions that were mostly unsatisfactory. Guess I will see in a week's time how badly my attempt fared.

[Heather82Cs 15]

10 hours ago, Oshirokita said:

Well, I got an entry in. My initial draft looked excellent with one exception: 4-11 Ichiyamamoto only dropped from 5W to 8E and that didn't seem possible. Fixing that caused huge cascade effects with many overpromotions that were mostly unsatisfactory. Guess I will see in a week's time how badly my attempt fared.

I elected with a heavy heart to "screw" him over others, I'm sure I'll pay for my sins.

(For the others, don't worry, I am not posting an alternative gtb. As I did say, I am very lazy.)

[Wamahada 63]

I hope my guess will be in the Top-300

[Wamahada 63]

The line is dead now, isn‘t it?

[Sumo Spiffy 667]

21 minutes ago, Wamahada said:

The line is dead now, isn‘t it?

Half-hour.

[Reonito 1,784]

18 hours ago, Oshirokita said:

Well, I got an entry in. My initial draft looked excellent with one exception: 4-11 Ichiyamamoto only dropped from 5W to 8E and that didn't seem possible. Fixing that caused huge cascade effects with many overpromotions that were mostly unsatisfactory. Guess I will see in a week's time how badly my attempt fared.

FWIW, my research suggested that as improbable as that placement looked, it was less impossible than the alternatives, so I went with it. Let's see if this pays off for me.

[Asashosakari 20,270]

Yeah, I guess a lot will be decided by whether it's Ichiyamamoto or Tobizaru at M8e. I honestly just couldn't imagine IYM, and technically Tobi also has the better claim by the numbers, so I went with:

Onosato (Ye 13-2 Y)       Y    Hoshoryu (Yw 13-2 D)
Kotozakura (Oe 9-5-1)     O    ---
Aonishiki (Kw 11-4)       S    Oho (M2w 10-5)
Takanosho (M7e 12-3)      K    Hakuoho (M2e 8-7)

Takayasu (Ke 7-8)         M1   Wakamotoharu (M4w 9-6)
Wakatakakage (Se 6-9)     M2   Kirishima (Sw 6-9)
Hiradoumi (M4e 8-7)       M3   Ura (M8e 10-5)
Tamawashi (M1e 6-9)       M4   Oshoma (M7w 9-6)
Kusano (M6w 8-7)          M5   Shodai (M11e 10-5)
Onokatsu (M6e 7-8)        M6   Atamifuji (M3e 5-10)
Churanoumi (M10w 9-6)     M7   Abi (M1w 3-12)
Tobizaru (M15e 9-6)       M8   Kinbozan (M8w 7-8)
Midorifuji (M9e 7-8)      M9   Ichiyamamoto (M5w 4-11)
Daieisho (M10e 7-8)       M10  Kotoshoho (M5e 3-12)
Fujinokawa (M9w 6-9)      M11  Roga (M11w 7-8)
Shishi (M18e 10-5)        M12  Tomokaze (M16e 9-6)
Mitakeumi (M12w 7-8)      M13  Ryuden (M17e 9-6)
Tokihayate (M13w 7-8)     M14  Gonoyama (M3w 1-14)
Nishikifuji (J3w 11-4)    M15  Shonannoumi (M15w 7-8)
Sadanoumi (M14e 6-9)      M16  Asakoryu (M14w 6-9)
Oshoumi (J1w 9-6)         M17  Meisei (M13e 5-10)
Chiyoshoma (J2w 9-6)      M18  ---

I only submitted during the last hour (I keep trying to convince myself not to do that...), and I actually ended up revising my original draft substantially from M9 to M12 at the last minute. Previously I had:

Midorifuji (M9e 7-8)      M9   Shishi (M18e 10-5)
Daieisho (M10e 7-8)       M10  Ichiyamamoto (M5w 4-11)
Tomokaze (M16e 9-6)       M11  Roga (M11w 7-8)
Fujinokawa (M9w 6-9)      M12  Kotoshoho (M5e 3-12)

Better relative placement of Tobizaru against Shishi (but worse for Shishi against Tomokaze/Ryuden), and better for IYM/Kotoshoho against Gonoyama, but in the end I decided to go with yet more underdemotions than overpromotions at the expense of "flow".

Also flipped Meisei/Chiyoshoma from my draft, we'll see if I come to regret that.

I'm curious to see what other people have done for the two komusubi slots. I went with the orthodox solution.

Edited October 20 by Asashosakari

[Reonito 1,784]

9 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

                          K    Hakuoho (M2e 8-7)

Takayasu (Ke 7-8)         M1   Wakamotoharu (M4w 9-6)
Wakatakakage (Se 6-9)     M2   Kirishima (Sw 6-9)

I ended up gussing this committee will go with Takayasu over Hakuoho, though that felt like a coin flip, and I have WMH below the sekiwake duo

[Reonito 1,784]

Y1e	Onosato	13-2 Y	─	Y1	Y1w	Hoshoryu	13-2 D	─
				Y2
O1e	Kotozakura	9-5-1	─	O1
				O2
				O3
K1w	Aonishiki	11-4 G	↑	S1	M2w	Oho	10-5	↑
				S2
M7e	Takanosho	12-3 K	↑	K1	K1e	Takayasu	7-8	-0.5
				K2
M2e	Hakuoho	8-7 S	+1	M1	S1e	Wakatakakage	6-9	↓
S1w	Kirishima	6-9	↓	M2	M4w	Wakamotoharu	9-6	+2
M4e	Hiradoumi	8-7	+1	M3	M8e	Ura	10-5	+4.5
M1e	Tamawashi	6-9	-3	M4	M7w	Oshoma	9-6	+3
M6w	Kusano	8-7	+1.5	M5	M11e	Shodai	10-5	+5.5
M3e	Atamifuji	5-10	-3	M6	M6e	Onokatsu	7-8	-0.5
M10w	Churanoumi	9-6	+3.5	M7	M1w	Abi	3-12	-6
M5w	Ichiyamamoto	4-11	-2.5	M8	M8w	Kinbozan	7-8	─
M9e	Midorifuji	7-8	─	M9	M15e	Tobizaru	9-6	+5.5
M10e	Daieisho	7-8	─	M10	M9w	Fujinokawa	6-9	-1
M18e	Shishi	10-5	+7	M11	M11w	Roga	7-8	─
M16e	Tomokaze	9-6	+4	M12	M5e	Kotoshoho	3-12	-7.5
M12w	Mitakeumi	7-8	-0.5	M13	M17e	Ryuden	9-6	+3.5
M3w	Gonoyama	1-14	-10.5	M14	M13w	Tokihayate	7-8	-1
J3w	Nishikifuji	11-4	↑	M15	M15w	Shonannoumi	7-8	─
M14e	Sadanoumi	6-9	-2	M16	M14w	Asakoryu	6-9	-2
J1w	Oshoumi	9-6	↑	M17	M13e	Meisei	5-10	-4.5
J2w	Chiyoshoma	9-6	↑	M18

[Reonito 1,784]

Lots of very different guesses from top players this time around.

[Tigerboy1966 1,634]

1 minute ago, Reonito said:

13 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

                          K    Hakuoho (M2e 8-7)

Takayasu (Ke 7-8)         M1   Wakamotoharu (M4w 9-6)
Wakatakakage (Se 6-9)     M2   Kirishima (Sw 6-9)

I ended up gussing this committee will go with Takayasu over Hakuoho, though that felt like a coin flip, and I have WMH below the sekiwake duo

I went with the same order here as Asashosakari. I am mightily relieved as I thought I as out on a limb. To me it felt right to have the two fallen sekiwake at the same rank.

[Reonito 1,784]

4 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

To me it felt right to have the two fallen sekiwake at the same rank.

If I did what felt right to me, it would be a very different banzuke 

[Tigerboy1966 1,634]

My guess:

Onosato (Ye 13-2 Y)       Y    Hoshoryu (Yw 13-2 D)
Kotozakura (Oe 9-5-1)     O    ---
Aonishiki (Kw 11-4)       S    Oho (M2w 10-5)
Takanosho (M7e 12-3)      K    Hakuoho (M2e 8-7)

Takayasu (Ke 7-8)         M1   Wakamotoharu (M4w 9-6)
Wakatakakage (Se 6-9)     M2   Kirishima (Sw 6-9)
Hiradoumi (M4e 8-7)       M3   Ura (M8e 10-5)
Tamawashi (M1e 6-9)       M4   Oshoma (M7w 9-6)
Kusano (M6w 8-7)          M5   Shodai (M11e 10-5)
Churanoumi (M10w 9-6)     M6   Onokatsu (M6e 7-8)
Atamifuji (M3e 5-10)      M7   Abi (M1w 3-12)
Tobizaru (M15e 9-6)       M8   Kinbozan (M8w 7-8)
Midorifuji (M9e 7-8)      M9   Ichiyamamoto (M5w 4-11)
Daieisho (M10e 7-8)       M10  Fujinokawa (M9w 6-9)
Shishi (M18e 10-5)        M11  Tomokaze (M16e 9-6)
Roga (M11w 7-8)           M12  Kotoshoho (M5e 3-12)
Mitakeumi (M12w 7-8)      M13  Ryuden (M17e 9-6)
Gonoyama (M3w 1-14)       M14  Tokihayate (M13w 7-8)
Nishikifuji (J3w 11-4)    M15  Shonannoumi (M15w 7-8)
Oshoumi (J1w 9-6)         M16  Sadanoumi (M14e 6-9)
Asakoryu (M14w 6-9)       M17  Chiyoshoma (J2w 9-6)
Meisei (M13e 5-10)        M18  ---

[Sumo Spiffy 667]

Y'all are making me feel better about my last-minute shift of Gonoyama down to M13e. Still higher than most, I expect, but it would be somewhat in line with how much I think Kotoshoho will get saved if he lands at 11e.

[Reonito 1,784]

My last-minute change was bumping Koto up to 12w, ahead of Mitakeumi. From my research, it seems like 3-12 at M5 puts you ahead of anyone who computes to M14 or lower, and behind anyone who computes to M12 or higher. So of course we have three guys who compute to exactly M13, where precedents are mixed.

[Hakumadashi 14]

 

First time entering GTB, after I started playing all the Superbanzuke games in Nagoya, I forgot GTB both times....

So this will be my last debut in such a game for maybe ever, and as such I took the honourable path of not looking at any predictions or discussion regarding ranks beforehand. I hope I haven't made any egregious mistakes, but if so I will accept it with Hinkaku and continue to do my brand of Banzuke making.

Good luck to everyone!