Asashosakari 18,832 Posted September 24 And the second sekitori intai of the day (and third of the tournament)...Aoiyama is ending his 15-year career and becomes Iwatomo-oyakata. 1 2 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I am the Yokozuna 187 Posted September 24 The keiko yokozuna. At some points he was unstoppable. Really commendable career. Wish him success as an oyakata. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sahaven111 172 Posted September 24 He went in, and now goes out, with Myogiryu... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,817 Posted September 24 Probably stupid question: With these two intai announcements (probably) made before the next banzuke is done, is it safe to assume that another basho ranked at Makushita wouldn't grant any monetary benefits? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,667 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, sahaven111 said: He went in, and now goes out, with Myogiryu... I rediscovered ozumo just after Aki 2015, so even though I missed both these rikishi at their peak, I've still had 9 years of entertainment from them. Good luck to both in their new roles. What will their long sekitori tenures, mainly in makuuchi, entitle them to as oyakata; e.g. will they be able to branch out with their own heya? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Octofuji 328 Posted September 24 39 minutes ago, RabidJohn said: What will their long sekitori tenures, mainly in makuuchi, entitle them to as oyakata; e.g. will they be able to branch out with their own heya? They've both had 71 basho in Makuuchi so they can open their own stables 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muhomatsu 224 Posted September 24 Sakaigawa is 62 - so less than three years away from mandatory retirement age. The new Furiwake could be a successor to the heya, if he does not think Sekinoto (moto-Iwakiyama) or Yamashina (moto-Toyohibiki) are worthy to inherit the stable. Of course, he could let Furiwake branch out, since he has enough top division basho to do it - and that would ensure Sekinoto or Yamashina could have their own stable. And maybe moto-Hochiyama could get his own kabu. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 886 Posted September 24 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Muhomatsu said: Sakaigawa is 62 - so less than three years away from mandatory retirement age. The new Furiwake could be a successor to the heya, if he does not think Sekinoto (moto-Iwakiyama) or Yamashina (moto-Toyohibiki) are worthy to inherit the stable. Of course, he could let Furiwake branch out, since he has enough top division basho to do it - and that would ensure Sekinoto or Yamashina could have their own stable. And maybe moto-Hochiyama could get his own kabu. I'm guessing those two are not mutually exclusive? As in Furiwake branches out soon, then Sakaigawa-beya is absorbed into Furiwake upon the incumbent's retirement, Furiwake gets renamed Sakaigawa as now-ex-Myogiryu inherits the kabu, the legacy goes on. My memory's a bit hazy when it gets to heya transfers but I'm fairly certain such a situation has happened in the last few years. Might've been Oshima. Edited September 24 by Koorifuu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,161 Posted September 24 It was time for Aoiyama and at least he can stay with the kyokai, something that most European rikishi haven't wanted or been able to. In fact I'm quite amazed Aoiyama managed to get a kabu. Perhaps his fellow Bulgarian Naruto gave him a few tips. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muhomatsu 224 Posted September 24 Yes - there are a few transfers like that where the "legacy" lives on under a new name: Think: Irumagawa to Ikazuchi The old Naruto to Tagonoura, on the death of the former Naruto and the weird succession crisis with the stock certificate. Hanaregoma was Nishonoseki was Matsugane. Tokiwayama was Chiganoura. Nishonoseki was Araiso briefly. Oshima did close - was merged to Tomozuna - and then re-emerged independent after being shuttered for years. Even Taiho to Otake is like this - with an ichidai toshiyori twist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,339 Posted September 24 Aoiyama's 164 hatakikomi victories are second all-time (or should this be in Trivia Bits?) 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,735 Posted September 24 Thus ends the Bulgarian Wave, a force so powerful that 67% of them reached San'yaku. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seregost 130 Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Reonito said: Aoiyama's 164 hatakikomi victories are second all-time (or should this be in Trivia Bits?) Let's give Oshoma some time to reach them... he managed six just in this tournament. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,735 Posted September 24 2 minutes ago, Seregost said: Let's give Oshoma some time to reach them... he managed six just in this tournament. They only met once, and Aoiyama won by ... Oshidashi? Imagine a world where ex-Aoiyama goes to coach at fellow-Bulgarian Naruto's stable and turns Oshoma into the Unstoppable Hatakikomi Machine! [No, let's not] 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seregost 130 Posted September 24 1 minute ago, Yamanashi said: They only met once, and Aoiyama won by ... Oshidashi? Imagine a world where ex-Aoiyama goes to coach at fellow-Bulgarian Naruto's stable and turns Oshoma into the Unstoppable Hatakikomi Machine! [No, let's not] I find cool when a wrestler has a "signature" kimarite, like Midorifuji's katasukashi or even Akua's kakenage. But certainly, hatakikomi is not a technique I like to see often. This pushers/hatakikomers like Tohakuryu or Abi look quite boring to me. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dingo 1,161 Posted September 24 His moobs will be missed. Or not, depending on one's aesthetic sense. 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,735 Posted September 24 9 minutes ago, Seregost said: I find cool when a wrestler has a "signature" kimarite, like Midorifuji's katasukashi or even Akua's kakenage. But certainly, hatakikomi is not a technique I like to see often. This pushers/hatakikomers like Tohakuryu or Abi look quite boring to me. Aoiyama didn't start out that way; it's because he had busted wheels. Before his knee injuries ruined his mobility he was more of a belt guy; career-wise he only won by yorikiri at 1/3 the typical rate, but more than half of those wins were in the first third of his career. Meanwhile: Hatakikomi, by five-year periods 2009-2014 39 2015-2019 57 2020-2024 67 and similarly for the other pulling techniques. Over the last several years an Aoiyama match had a binary outcome: 1) Big shove and neck pull-down successful -- hatakikomi win 2) Big shove and neck pull-down unsuccessful -- loss by yorikiri or oshidashi. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yamanashi 3,735 Posted September 24 8 minutes ago, dingo said: His moobs will be missed. Or not, depending on one's aesthetic sense. Let that be a warning to Kotozakura (I can say no more). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,873 Posted September 24 His pics today are explicitly focussing on what now will be covered oo oo o 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,667 Posted September 24 2 hours ago, dingo said: His moobs will be missed. Or not, depending on one's aesthetic sense. I wasn't going to mention them, but back when I only knew 'yama' meant mountain, I wondered if 'aoi' was Japanese for moobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,137 Posted September 24 (edited) Can't say I enjoyed his style and I thought he seemed a grump at times on the dohyo, though I do respect his long run of sekitorihood, and in particular from 2013 to 2017 when he never MK'd below M5. Not someone you would have suspected of once preferring yotsu sumo, given that for much of his career he would suddenly shrink to 50kg when someone got a hold of him. Edited September 24 by Katooshu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaioshoryu 62 Posted September 24 I never was a fan of Aoiyama, but it will be very strange not having him around. The guy was sekitori for over 13 years which is very very impressive. I wish him well in his career as oyakata. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaninoyama 1,694 Posted September 24 5 hours ago, Seregost said: Let's give Oshoma some time to reach them... he managed six just in this tournament. If not for his injuries, Tomokaze would have owned this category. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetsuoka 5 Posted September 25 Iconic and legendary rikishi. He will be greatly missed!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,249 Posted September 25 Good bye big blue you were at least deep enough in the yusho race a couple times to get the camera focused on you in the hanamichi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites