Sumo Spiffy 537 Posted September 21 (edited) This is mostly so I have a place for this silly-ass statistic that probably only interests me, but maybe I'll have others later, or maybe some people have their own. Fewest wins in first three makuuchi bashos (fully completed, ie. no kyujo absences), six-basho era: Yoshiazuma, 11 (9/2011, 5-10; 1/2012, 3-12; 11/2012, 3-12) Daigo, 11 (11/1975, 4-11; 9/1976, 5-10; 1/1977, 2-13) Bushozan , 12 (3/2023, 5-10; 7/2023, 3-12; 1/2024, 4-11) Zaonishiki, 12 (11/1976, 5-10; 3/1977, 5-10; 1/1978, 2-13) Kitanowaka, 14 (11/2023, 5-10; 3/2024, 3-12; 9/2024, 6-9) Koryu, 14 (7/2008, 3-12; 11/2008, 6-9; 1/2009, 5-10) Wakashoyo, 14 (9/1991, 3-12; 1/1992, 6-9; 5/1992, 5-10) Edited September 22 by Sumo Spiffy 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 530 Posted September 21 Usually we put these things in the Trivia bits thread 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 537 Posted September 21 1 hour ago, Yarimotsu said: Usually we put these things in the Trivia bits thread ahhh, didn't know that existed looked for something similar but didn't click that might be it; trivia seems more important than this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,340 Posted September 21 3 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said: Bushozan , 12 (3/2023, 5-10; 7/2023, 3-12; 1/2024, 4-11) Bushozan is back to the form that got him this distinction, after his July hiccup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Katooshu 3,137 Posted September 22 (edited) Kitanowaka was so good in high school, outperforming the likes of Onosato, Takerufuji, Oho, and Kotoshoho. I thought he'd at least be a high maegashira/lower sanyaku type. He's still very young and could reach that level, but disappointing to see him on this list. He shows flashes of quality, but is just too easy to push around. Edited September 22 by Katooshu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,835 Posted September 22 7 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said: ahhh, didn't know that existed looked for something similar but didn't click that might be it; trivia seems more important than this I would say trivia is often less important than a good stats list. But the line between both tends to be blurry anyway, and plenty of stats have indeed ended up in the trivia thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 886 Posted September 22 (edited) 17 hours ago, Katooshu said: Kitanowaka was so good in high school, outperforming the likes of Onosato, Takerufuji, Oho, and Kotoshoho. I thought he'd at least be a high maegashira/lower sanyaku type. He's still very young and could reach that level, but disappointing to see him on this list. He shows flashes of quality, but is just too easy to push around. This is also a bit confusing to me. I've been expecting a lot from him. It's puzzling how much he lacks on power against his opposition, considering his 190cm 146kg frame. He never seems to be able to finish the deal & finally overpower his opposition unless he's in an extremely advantageous position, which he usually has to work super hard for. The fact he's able to do well enough to stay in makuuchi/juryo while losing head-on on sheer strength against pretty much everyone speaks volumes to how apt his dohyo sense and technique are. He's definitely way above sekitori average in those aspects. Edited September 22 by Koorifuu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,340 Posted September 22 58 minutes ago, Koorifuu said: This is also a bit confusing to me. I've been expecting a lot from him. It's puzzling how much he lacks on power against his opposition, considering his 190cm 146kg frame. He never seems to be able to finish the deal & finally overpower his opposition unless he's in an extremely advantageous position, which he usually has to work super hard for. The fact he's able to do well enough to stay in makuuchi/juryo while losing head-on on sheer strength against pretty much everyone speaks volumes to how apt his dohyo sense and technique are. He's definitely way above sekitori average in those aspects. Is it just not enough time in the weight room? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Koorifuu 886 Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Reonito said: Is it just not enough time in the weight room? Probably. My puzzlement is more because he looks too well built for someone who skips strength-based training. But then again, I'm far from being a gym bro plus I'm that kind of person who looks at "before and after" publications on social media and thinks "they look the exact same anyway". So I'm probably not the best to judge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 537 Posted September 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Koorifuu said: Probably. My puzzlement is more because he looks too well built for someone who skips strength-based training. But then again, I'm far from being a gym bro plus I'm that kind of person who looks at "before and after" publications on social media and thinks "they look the exact same anyway". So I'm probably not the best to judge. Hakkaku's guys have never come across as serious lifters. The whole vibe is traditional training and doing what you can with it (which includes plenty of strength training, but less power training). But sumo is so focused on power and offense that if you don't maximize the power you're capable of, you're going to hit a wall. FWIW, Kitanowaka weighed in this basho at 191 cm/156 kg, so he's put on the size to at least be near the makuuchi average. This is why I've talked about the importance of getting smart about lifting for these guys. There's no reason he can't take that body and make it actually as strong as it looks. I have my doubts about it happening, though. Edited September 22 by Sumo Spiffy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites