Aki 2024 discussion (results)

[Kaninoyama 1,798]

8 hours ago, Katooshu said:

I notice a certain ex-Ozeki is on a roll in lower makuuchi, can't count him out, right?

Well, we can now. 

Edited September 17, 2024 by Kaninoyama

[rhyen 1,842]

5 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Kirishima facing 1-7 Shonanoumi was a bit bleh. Will they keep matching Shonanoumi with top guys, even with that record?

Because the only other rikishi with an equivalent record is heyamate Kagayaki.

[ArsionTrueHeart 5]

4 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

On day 8, Takakeisho for the first time after he went kyujo contacted the shisho by phone. No progress in respect to whether he'll retire or not, he's having treatment for the herniated disk in the cervical vertebrae area, about 3 weeks rest needed is in the medical certificate handed to the NSK. The shisho wants to respect his wishes (retire or not) and wants to talk to him on the phone frequently. http://www.daily.co.jp/general/2024/09/16/0018126128.shtml

It seems a bit strange to not talk to your shisho at all after going kyujo, especially when you might be considering retirement. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, and this is actually standard procedure for a senior wrestler, but to me this sounds like the relationship between Takakeisho and Tokiwayama might not be the best. In my opinion, Takakeisho would do himself a great disservice should he decide to continue. His body can clearly no longer take the abuse, and he achieved everything that was within his abilities. I can only hope that he comes to terms with this as soon as possible for the sake of his own health.

[Gurowake 4,088]

8 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Kirishima facing 1-7 Shonanoumi was a bit bleh. Will they keep matching Shonanoumi with top guys, even with that record?

They skipped him (and Meisei) to put Kotozakura up against Gonoyama, who at least has a more reasonable chance at a KK, but very little hope for sanyaku and no hope for the Yusho, so they would have been much better off to put him against Wakatakakage, who was next in line and with a shot at both.  They do routinely skip 1-7s for sanyaku matchups, and 0-7s too, but they don't have as much bias against 1-6, which is what Shonannoumi was at when the schedule was made.

[Gurowake 4,088]

8 hours ago, Sue said:

Why is Kirishima vs. Onosato happening on day 10, and not on Senshuraku?

Because that's the normal day it's happening with the make up of the sanyaku the way it is.  Days 12, 13, and 14 look to have all the SvO matches, and Days 11 and 10 have the SvS matches not held back for senshuraku.  Now, I agree that it would have been better to postpone it, but to postpone it enough pretty much requires assuming that Abi will be MK soon and they're just going to give him maegashira for the rest of the tournament instead of his slated sanyaku matches.  The planned senshuraku matches are, after the Ozeki match, Abi vs. Onosato and Kirishima vs. Daieisho, based on banzuke order.  They already had Daieisho face Abi on Day 8, scheduled after Day 6 when Abi was 2-4 and not so obviously headed for MK, so they weren't in a position to swap them, so they'd have to skip a sanyaku match for Abi to get it to work out, and they don't want to be forced to do that until Abi is definitely out of sanyaku, which in his case would be 9 losses, which is still a few days away.

Edited September 17, 2024 by Gurowake

[dingo 1,267]

18 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Chiyoshoma back in Makuuchi.

Has anyone noticed the likeness in names? ChiyOSHOMA? No wonder Oshoma is doing his best Chiyoshoma impression. He just can't help it, puppetteered by fate itself. 

[Akinomaki 40,666]

17 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

On day 8, Takakeisho for the first time after he went kyujo contacted the shisho by phone.

Tokiwayama declared that Takakeisho will during the basho decide that if he retires, he managed to talk to him for a 2nd day in a row. http://hochi.news/articles/20240917-OHT1T51068.html?page=1

[Akinomaki 40,666]

YDC top Yamauchi (absent from the YDC keiko soken, like the yokozuna) on day 5 was at the basho for the YDC soken (which simply means the YDC is watching) and expressed his understanding for the kyujo, they want to keep Terunofuji and won't pressure him: "Being a yokozuna just by name is a big problem, but he delivers results." http://hochi.news/articles/20240912-OHT1T51248.html?page=1

[RabidJohn 1,817]

Now, you all know I really like Kirishima and I've no objection to henka per se, but that was probably the worst I've ever seen done by a Mongolian - and I'm not forgetting Chiyoshoma!
Wrong place, wrong time, woefully executed... Just awful.

[Akinomaki 40,666]

Myogiryu better returns for day 12 - he already has enough losses to be demoted, but with the present banzuke making, 4 wins should be enough. I forecast an intai rush for the basho though, Aoiyama also has to go at least 3-2 to stay sekitori - properly he needs 4-1.

I guess now it's more uncertain if Shishi makes it to makuuchi, Aonishiki should find enough open slots to be promoted even if he loses the rest. Shishi needs to go 3-2 now, and even that might not be enough if Tokihayate has the same and the makuuchi guys don't lose enough - all still have the chance to remain - even Takerufuji could surpass Shishi, new guys get harsher treatment on the banzuke than returners.

[RabidJohn 1,817]

On a positive note, that was Hoshoryu's first time beating Kotoshoho in 5 attempts - a stat that crept up on me unnoticed!

[junsan 193]

Onosato can't be stopped, can he? I see only Takerufuji put up a fight.

[Sue 508]

16 minutes ago, junsan said:

Onosato can't be stopped, can he? I see only Takerufuji put up a fight.

I can think of a number of rikishi (*cough* Takayasu *cough*) who've had a two-win cushion on day 10 or later, and have blown it. We'll see.

[Churaumi 743]

I'm willing to give Takakeisho a pass on calling the oyakata. If his back is messed up, he's better off not shuffling around to meet in person, although roads do run both ways and he could invite the oyakata over. He's probably noble in the best place right now mentally and laying low might be a good option for him.

[Gurowake 4,088]

3 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

On a positive note, that was Hoshoryu's first time beating Kotoshoho in 5 attempts - a stat that crept up on me unnoticed!

I noticed the poor record against Kotoshoho yesterday and looked into it more - all the bouts were several years ago, and in each of them Hoshoryu was lower-ranked.

[Gurowake 4,088]

2 hours ago, Churaumi said:

He's probably noble in the best place right now mentally

???? Is "Noble" supposed to be "not"?

Edited September 17, 2024 by Gurowake

[Koorifuu 1,003]

Interesting bout in makushita between Yuma and Kitadaichi. Kankuro's flight into the pillow zone was so captivating it took me two replays to understand why the hell there was a mono-ii and why they were giving the 'wrong' guy the win. I checked for hair pulls, or if I had mixed them up, and nothing... turns out Yuma had stepped out just as Kankuro was mid-air.

Edited September 17, 2024 by Koorifuu

[Benevolance 2,501]

Kirishima clearly follows me on the forum, read my previous post, and drew the natural inference that the only way to prevent an Onosato win was to not get hit. 

[Octofuji 361]

Wakatakakage has history of henka'ing the previous day's henkaer (Takakeisho the day after he did it to Hokutofuji in Nov 2022)

[dingo 1,267]

Wow, Onosato reacted to that henka really well, even if it wasn't well executed. Excellent response and now he's 2 wins ahead with 5 days to go. This basho all the circumstances have turned out well for him, starting of course with his own condition.

Also I want to note Ura's great bout against Abi. Ura stayed so low that Abi didn't really know how to utilize his tsuppari effectively. Wonderful timing by Ura for the tottari as well.

[Gospodin 191]

1 hour ago, Octofuji said:

Wakatakakage has history of henka'ing the previous day's henkaer (Takakeisho the day after he did it to Hokutofuji in Nov 2022)

I am not sure. A henka against somebody who rarely does it and is maybe on average being henkaed does not sound that convincing. I doubt he would not have done it against Chiyoshoma or Abi.

[Seregost 132]

1 hour ago, dingo said:

Wow, Onosato reacted to that henka really well, even if it wasn't well executed. Excellent response and now he's 2 wins ahead with 5 days to go. This basho all the circumstances have turned out well for him, starting of course with his own condition.

Also I want to note Ura's great bout against Abi. Ura stayed so low that Abi didn't really know how to utilize his tsuppari effectively. Wonderful timing by Ura for the tottari as well.

So happy Ura was able to endure Abi's attacks, and get away with murder in the last second. One of my favorite rikishi defeating one I dislike is always nice to see for me xD

[Oskanohana 275]

8 hours ago, Sue said:

I can think of a number of rikishi (*cough* Takayasu *cough*) who've had a two-win cushion on day 10 or later, and have blown it. We'll see.

I wonder who taught him how to do that. Someone in his heya maybe? A training partner? An old mate? An oyakata? All of the above?

 

4 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

Interesting bout in makushita between Yuma and Kitadaichi. Kankuro's flight into the pillow zone was so captivating it took me two replays to understand why the hell there was a mono-ii and why they were giving the 'wrong' guy the win. I checked for hair pulls, or if I had mixed them up, and nothing... turns out Yuma had stepped out just as Kankuro was mid-air.

For a minute there I thought they were going to call something like referee interference or something and maybe force a redo, but then I remembered what sport I was watching. Luckily for them (and justice!), Yuma had stepped outside. Nice cannon for Kitadaichi, maybe he can try to shoot some pool. He'd be presented as the Yubari Calamari.

[rhyen 1,842]

Suyama goes to 5-1.

[Akinomaki 40,666]

16 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Tokiwayama declared that Takakeisho will during the basho decide that if he retires, he managed to talk to him for a 2nd day in a row. http://hochi.news/articles/20240917-OHT1T51068.html?page=1

No progress and no contact on the 17th. Tokiwayama  about the possibility that Takakeisho won't be on the banzuke for next basho: "Could be" http://hochi.news/articles/20240918-OHT1T51046.html?page=1