Aki 2024 discussion (results)

[RabidJohn 1,663]

Oh man, Onosato blew Shodai away like he was a ball of fluff! I guess he's finally recovered from his hatsu yusho celebrations.

I'm cautiously optimistic that Kirishima may also have recovered from whatever it was that cost him his rank. Looking pretty good so far.

Given their head-to-head, Oho beating Hoshoryu again wasn't unexpected, but the ozeki forgetting to bow certainly was.
Didn't look deliberate to me; rather it was an unintentional oversight brought about as a result being utterly discombobulated by the loss.
All a bit embarrassing really. Will he get an additional bollockiing/fine for that?

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

5 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Didn't look deliberate to me; rather it was an unintentional oversight

Nice euphemism for for spoiled brat attitude.

[Bugman Re-Hatched 20]

This is the first basho I've kept daily tabs on in a while so of course, I'm being hasty if I say I haven't found Hoshoryu to be impressive, but so far he seems kind of mediocre.

[RabidJohn 1,663]

1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

Nice euphemism for for spoiled brat attitude.

I can think of many disparaging things to say about Hoshoryu, like 'cocksure', 'over-confident' and even 'arrogant'.
I'm not aware of the circumstances surrounding his childhood upbringing, but having his former yokozuna uncle publicly on his case every time he fails doesn't feel like 'spoiled'.

[Koorifuu 886]

An early tidbit for the promotion/demotion discussion.

Considering how depleted juryo looks, we can't rule out the J14s staying on with 6 wins.

[Koorifuu 886]

2 hours ago, Bugman Re-Hatched said:

This is the first basho I've kept daily tabs on in a while so of course, I'm being hasty if I say I haven't found Hoshoryu to be impressive, but so far he seems kind of mediocre.

It feels like he hasn't been nearly as good as he was just a year ago.

Looks like this is the first time in 2 years that he's had a losing record on Day 6/7, and his most recent MK was in Kyushu '21, almost three years ago.

Edited September 13 by Koorifuu

[Akinomaki 39,768]

27 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

It feels like he hasn't been nearly as good as he was just a year ago.

Looks like this is the first time in 2 years that he's had a losing record on Day 6/7, and his most recent MK was in Kyushu '21, almost three years ago.

Don't forget he went kyujo last basho while still in yusho contention and was kyujo till into the jungyo and didn't train much - he started at the soken and soon only did the basics again

[hakutorizakura 590]

Yooo Hosh... you forgot something 

That was funny. He was somewhere else clearly.

[Jakusotsu 5,806]

2 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

4 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Nice euphemism for for spoiled brat attitude.

I can think of many disparaging things to say about Hoshoryu, like 'cocksure', 'over-confident' and even 'arrogant'.
I'm not aware of the circumstances surrounding his childhood upbringing, but having his former yokozuna uncle publicly on his case every time he fails doesn't feel like 'spoiled'.

Didn't mean he actually was a spoiled brat. It's that kind of attitude which he just can't shed.

[Yarimotsu 522]

Well it sure looks like I was overly harsh on a winning Oho yesterday. I did omit that I agree he has improved in general - and what a way for him to show it by diving inside the Ozeki and dumping him without a care for all the usual tricks. 

Hoshoryu's concern last basho was a knee, right? I haven't picked up on it but the confidence / preparedness isn't on the same level as before.

Gonoyama, meanwhile, suffers 5 straight losses to Ura. A good sign of a rikishi with literally no backup plan and no way of keeping his own balance once interrupted.

[Gospodin 187]

On 09/09/2024 at 20:11, Churaumi said:

Good to know he has one, that will make it more tempting for him to pull the plug, having that set up for the next phase.

Puh, hard to catch up after six days...a question to the forum members: Takakeisho would be be 28 if he retires now. What was the youngest age of oyakatas since owning a stable and remain active as a wrestler was forbidden ?

[Oskanohana 227]

In the Endo-Sadanoumi affair, Sadanoumi didn't bother to even approach the sand with his left fist at the tachi-ai in clear view of Zatoichi-oyakata, head shinpan today. The fight was half-assed, but no call was made. I wasn't the most egregious ever as far as altering the result of the bout, but one might miss the "Era of the matta" that Musahigawa-rijicho brought with his appointment around 2010, maybe earlier (I cannot be bothered to look the precise date)

[Saburo 18]

12 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Given their head-to-head, Oho beating Hoshoryu again wasn't unexpected, but the ozeki forgetting to bow certainly was.
Didn't look deliberate to me; rather it was an unintentional oversight brought about as a result being utterly discombobulated by the loss.
All a bit embarrassing really. Will he get an additional bollockiing/fine for that?

Honestly didn't look different to me from any other bow/non- bow from Hoshoryu following a loss. Who was the shimpan that barked at him to get back on the ring? I'm sure he had the scolding on the ready all day long.

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

13 minutes ago, Saburo said:

Honestly didn't look different to me from any other bow/non- bow from Hoshoryu following a loss. Who was the shimpan that barked at him to get back on the ring? I'm sure he had the scolding on the ready all day long.

It was Kokonoe. It did look to me like he almost completely forgot (or was too disgusted with himself) to bow, so I don't think the callback was unwarranted. 

As for Hoshoryu, we've seen him get off to disastrous starts in the past only to turn things around and snatch kachikoshi from the jaws of makekoshi. Who knows how badly the injuries are affecting him. Though it seems like the issues are more in his head than in his body at the moment. 

[Katooshu 3,132]

I think he just forgot to bow. Probably was inside his own head upset with the loss and just walked out without thinking of it. Been there.

Not a great look, but it seemed unintentional enough that it's not a big deal to me. The refusal to put a hand down vs Gonoyama was more annoying.

Edited September 14 by Katooshu

[Yubinhaad 11,545]

4 hours ago, Gospodin said:

Puh, hard to catch up after six days...a question to the forum members: Takakeisho would be be 28 if he retires now. What was the youngest age of oyakatas since owning a stable and remain active as a wrestler was forbidden ?

 

See this post. Since that was written I think only ex-Chiyootori has become oyakata before turning 30.

[Morty 1,480]

17 hours ago, Bugman Re-Hatched said:

This is the first basho I've kept daily tabs on in a while so of course, I'm being hasty if I say I haven't found Hoshoryu to be impressive, but so far he seems kind of mediocre.

Welcome back . Good to see you again.

[Bugman Re-Hatched 20]

1 hour ago, Morty said:

Welcome back . Good to see you again.

Thank you Morty that's very kind, it's wonderful to feel the basho excitement once again :)

[dingo 1,160]

A few late thoughts about yesterday. 

I'm starting to dislike Oshoma a bit. He does nothing but downward slaps and pulldowns. Where's the real sumo content in his sumo? Right now he's getting the wins but I sincerely hope he can get a taste of his own medicine soon.

Onosato and Shodai both have high tachiais so it was interesting to see how their meeting turns out. The result was Onosato's victory as expected, but it was good to see him being aggressive and not reactive on tachiai. Maybe he'll learn something from it. 

Oho the ozeki killer! Every basho he shows these flashes of great sumo but he rarely puts enough good days together to really move up in the rankings and grab a sanyaku position. He might have a good shot this time as the maegashira above him are on track for a losing record, but the sanyaku results look like they might not work out so well for him. Anyway, it's still early in the basho and first of all Oho has to make the case for promotion himself. 

Edited September 14 by dingo

[Katooshu 3,132]

Kind of sad to watch Kinbozan these days. Got off to such a good start in makuuchi but seems like just a few basho in he was already beaten up and piling up nagging injuries. Didn't get much time to hit a stride in the top division, and now regularly takes hard losses and looks pained, sometimes even just walking onto the dohyo. 

Edited September 14 by Katooshu

[dingo 1,160]

6 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Kind of sad to watch Kinbozan these days. Got off to such a good start in makuuchi but seems like just a few basho in he was already beaten up and piling up nagging injuries. Didn't get much time to hit a stride in the top division, and now regularly takes hard losses and looks pained, sometimes even just walking onto the dohyo. 

On the brighter side he's still managed to stick in makuuchi. Compare that to Hakuoho who's struggling to even get out of juryo, which he should be able to easily do if healthy. Yet he's 4-3 (was 2-3!) at juryo 5, losing even to Mitoryu. 

[RabidJohn 1,663]

I would not have been upset if they'd called a tori-naoshi on Kirishima vs Kotoshoho, but maybe I'm biased because of my admiration for utchari attempts. Looked very close to me.

If Oho could mentally convince himself that all his opponents were sanyaku, he'd be unstoppable.

This Hoshoryu I can admire. No buggering about suits him very well.

Kotozakura's loss to Wakamotoharu seemed to cause some consternation in the audience, but didn't feel that big of an upset to me.
I'm not so invested in seeing the next Japanese yokozuna obviously, but even though he's still a rank away from having a shot, Onosato feels closer to it, atm.

[Hausu 0]

2 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

I would not have been upset if they'd called a tori-naoshi on Kirishima vs Kotoshoho, but maybe I'm biased because of my admiration for utchari attempts. Looked very close to me.

If Oho could mentally convince himself that all his opponents were sanyaku, he'd be unstoppable.

This Hoshoryu I can admire. No buggering about suits him very well.

Kotozakura's loss to Wakamotoharu seemed to cause some consternation in the audience, but didn't feel that big of an upset to me.
I'm not so invested in seeing the next Japanese yokozuna obviously, but even though he's still a rank away from having a shot, Onosato feels closer to it, atm.

The feel is real!  Despite the rank difference, Onosato is two wins closer to the rope than Kotozakura.  A win this basho (ozeki promotion right?) and another next basho… well is there a precedence preventing Onosato’s Yokozuna promotion in such a scenario?

Edited September 14 by Hausu

[Octofuji 327]

27 minutes ago, Hausu said:

The feel is real!  Despite the rank difference, Onosato is two wins closer to the rope than Kotozakura.  A win this basho (ozeki promotion right?) and another next basho… well is there a precedence preventing Onosato’s Yokozuna promotion in such a scenario?

Terunofuji https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=11927

He won the Yusho as Sekiwake, got promoted to Ozeki, and then won the next basho. He still had to wait until the following basho (where he went 14-1 losing to Hakuho) to get the rope.

I don't deny the reality of the feel though - hard to believe now that Takerufuji was (is?) even better than this guy.

Edited September 14 by Octofuji

[Seregost 130]

Well, Onosato was focused today, and he dispatched Hiradoumi with ease, to be even now 2-2 in their matchup. We haven't arrived Nakabi yet, but he's showing overwhelming but also calculated strength this time. Wakamotoharu did great effort today, and bested Kotozakura in a great yotsu battle. Hoshoryu finally decided to stop losing, and jumped like a jaguar over Shodai, who was just a piece of ballast today. At the bottom of Makuuchi, I'm glad the brown bear Takayasu is leaving (momentarily, I'm afraid) his back problems behind and picking wins, and I hope the white bear Shirokuma restarts winning fast. Today Sadanoumi denied him several times the left outside grip and that resulted key in the final outcome.