Aki 2024 discussion (results)

[Koorifuu 1,120]

8 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Onosato loses to 4-10 Abi, lol that's sumo for you.

That was quite a lesson in Abizumo, hopefully that'll help in the future.

In the meantime, this is a pretty happy dad.

Wakaikari's rise to sekitori without hitting the wall is incredibly impressive, considering his size and style.

EDIT: Really good bout between Inami and Toseiryu! Lots of close shaves.

Unrelated question; are Kawazoe and Shimizuumi ex-colleagues? They seemed chummy at the yusho award ceremony, despite coming from different heya.

Edited September 22, 2024 by Koorifuu

[Gurowake 4,154]

59 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Wakaikari's rise to sekitori without hitting the wall is incredibly impressive, considering his size and style.

I suppose the fact he's only 19 missed your notice?  Or is that not "incredibly impressive" in itself?

[Gurowake 4,154]

3 hours ago, Seregost said:

Well, it looks the real Kirishima is back. 12 wins is a good foundation to rebuild his ozekihood.

It certainly would be amusing/interesting if he was back to Ozeki in the shortest time possible outside of the automatic repromotion.  I've often thought there should be a second automatic repromotion opportunity that stems from just continuing the pattern of the one that currently exists: KK in the basho after demotion then 12 wins in the second basho.  If you then follow the pattern of that to "KK in basho after demotion, 10 wins in second basho, 14 wins in third basho" you have the recipe for a normal Ozeki promotion - maybe only 32 wins, but ending with a 14 win basho is probably enough.  They could make it a newly "discovered" rule right now and not change historical precedent either, as it's never happened before:

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&n_basho=3&form1_rank=o&form2_rank=s&form2_wins=8-9&form3_wins=12-15

Edited September 22, 2024 by Gurowake

[Koorifuu 1,120]

27 minutes ago, Gurowake said:

I suppose the fact he's only 19 missed your notice?  Or is that not "incredibly impressive" in itself?

What, am I mandated to list specific facts in order for my compliment to meet some arbitrary SF quality threshold?

The fact that he makes frontal yotsu work so often against much larger opposition is what I find impressive - and that he was able to climb the banzuke nonstop with it, at least until this stage. That would've been the case whether he was 12, 19 or 40. His age is not nearly as much of a factor as the rest is, when it comes to my appreciation.

Edited September 22, 2024 by Koorifuu

[Reonito 1,788]

6 hours ago, ryafuji said:

Aoiyama must be makushita bound with his loss today. I wonder if we'll be hearing a retirement announcement soon

It's actually less clear than you'd think.

[bettega 433]

2 hours ago, warusawa said:

Onosato looked like a yokozuna when he dispatched Hoshoryu, but against Abi, not so much. Ah well, the kid's got time.

Too much booze and karaoke the night before

[Jakusotsu 6,401]

17 minutes ago, bettega said:

Too much booze and karaoke the night before

Abi?

[Oskanohana 363]

Some awful acting in juryo:

• Tsurugisho and Chiyoshoma are so incompetent that they did the rehearsal for his "fight" in front of everyone. It was called a matta and they did the same shit anyway. Kokonoe must have given his pupil some pointers on how to call attention to themselves when trying shady stuff.
• The Tamashoho-Daishoho affair also looked staged. Way too much compliance from the usually lively Tamashoho.

I blame @Jakusotsu for reminding this crap exists with his Ryuden-Hokutofuji call (not really, I had been following one offender very closely, but he seems to have retired).

Congratulations to Daiki Nakamura II. Pity we won't probably see the Daiki Nakamura clash ever. The NSK should respect the Bolzano theorem even though Hokutofuji's function has showed some discontinuity.

[dingo 1,483]

Shishi still doesn't convince me. His sumo is so uncontrolled, he'll be eaten alive in makuuchi. Now watch me get it totally wrong and Shishi get a sansho next basho.

That was an epic struggle between Hokutofuji and Midorifuji, perhaps more epic than would be possible with a healthy Hokutofuji. He did win in the end after finally overcoming his opponent with a strong push, but my heart jumped a bit at the sight of what looked like Midorifuji's knee crumbling. Fortunately he seemed fine.

Wakatakakage is back with a bang. Jun-yusho, beating the winner and getting a sansho all looks like he's ready to pick up where he left off when he got injured. Let's see next basho how he can adjust to stiffer competition and whether he can challenge for sanyaku again. His upper body does seem a bit bulkier so perhaps that will help. 

Kagayaki got rid of Gonoyama surprisingly easily so I don't think he's done with makuuchi just yet despite the bad score this basho. Today he seemed like he should be able to beat most juryo quite nicely. 

Haven't looked at the promotion thread yet but with 9 wins I hope Oho has done enough to earn his sanyaku debut. Wakamotoharu will leap over him for sure, but perhaps the kyokai will feel a bit generous to Taiho's grandson. Beating two ozeki should be sign enough that he can compete successfully at that level. 

I think this was one of the few times someone pulled a successful hatakikomi on Onosato. He won't really mind but I hope he learns something from it and doesn't just forget it in the yusho and ozeki celebrations. Who am I kidding, he probably will, but a good lesson by Abi anyway. If Onosato at least remembers the feeling of finishing the yusho basho with a slightly humiliating loss, he will have learned at least a bit. 

And just like that the basho is over. We lost an injured (ex)ozeki and gained a new one. The other healthier ozeki survived with 8 wins so it's a happy ending for everyone. All things considered, a pretty great basho and I'm looking forward to the next one already. How will Onosato debut at the ozeki rank? Will Kirishima keep his ozeki return challenge going? Is Takayasu finally going to get a yusho? (OK, perhaps too far). Lots of excitement ahead for the last basho of the year! 

[Jakusotsu 6,401]

5 minutes ago, dingo said:

Shishi still doesn't convince me. His sumo is so uncontrolled, he'll be eaten alive in makuuchi.

And by whom exactly? I don't see anyone among the next lower Makuuchi (other than Takerufuji) who would give him more trouble than he's already used to.

[dingo 1,483]

3 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

And by whom exactly? I don't see anyone among the next lower Makuuchi (other than Takerufuji) who would give him more trouble than he's already used to.

By any half competent maegashira. For example Ryuden, Hokutofuji, Sadanoumi, Tamawashi if I'm looking at rikishi who Shishi might be facing next basho. 

[Gurowake 4,154]

3 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

What, am I mandated to list specific facts in order for my compliment to meet some arbitrary SF quality threshold? 

Apologies, I keep track of rikishi that are very young for their rank, and so this is the first thing on my mind when I think about them.

[bettega 433]

4 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Abi?

Oonosato's Yusho party 

[Kaninoyama 1,882]

9 hours ago, Seregost said:

Well, it looks the real Kirishima is back. 12 wins is a good foundation to rebuild his ozekihood.

Agree. Feels like the early betting favorite for Fukuoka. Looks completely healthy and back in form. 

[sahaven111 200]

8 hours ago, Koorifuu said:

That was quite a lesson in Abizumo, hopefully that'll help in the future.

In the meantime, this is a pretty happy dad.

 

This man exudes "Abi's dad".

[Naganoyama 6,043]

Even though he's Wakaikari's?

[maorencze 144]

11 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

And by whom exactly? I don't see anyone among the next lower Makuuchi (other than Takerufuji) who would give him more trouble than he's already used to.

Look more carefully. Tamawashi, Sadanoumi, Ryuden, next basho likely Meisei, Ichiyamamoto, Shonannoumi, maybe even Mitakeumi and Gonoyama (depends on how far down they fall), from Juryo for sure Takerufuji destroys him, thats nine of 15. Though I admit I didnt check whether any of those is Shishi's heyamate

[sahaven111 200]

1 hour ago, Naganoyama said:

Even though he's Wakaikari's?

Dear god, i completely misunderstood the post...

 

I've never seen either of their fathers and i thought he was celebrating Abi's henka!

[sahaven111 200]

To make matters worse, I've just learned he was a Maegashira himself...

[dingo 1,483]

2 hours ago, maorencze said:

Look more carefully. Tamawashi, Sadanoumi, Ryuden, next basho likely Meisei, Ichiyamamoto, Shonannoumi, maybe even Mitakeumi and Gonoyama (depends on how far down they fall), from Juryo for sure Takerufuji destroys him, thats nine of 15. Though I admit I didnt check whether any of those is Shishi's heyamate

Seems like Shishi is the only sekitori in Ikazuchi beya. Next in rank is Kinotsukasa at east makushita 48, and there's 5 more guys in sandanme and jonidan. So Shishi won't have the fortune of a big beya rikishi either. 

[Koorifuu 1,120]

16 hours ago, Gurowake said:

Apologies, I keep track of rikishi that are very young for their rank, and so this is the first thing on my mind when I think about them.

I apologise as well, for assuming the "missed your notice" remark was sarcastic.

Edited September 23, 2024 by Koorifuu

[Sumo Spiffy 667]

Shishi's been consistently not as good as Onokatsu or Shirokuma, and we saw what happened to them. He might be similar in that he'll be able to put up a fight against whoever he faces that's somewhat less physically imposing, but his best chance compared to them is easier competition.

[Kaninoyama 1,882]

2 hours ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Shishi's been consistently not as good as Onokatsu or Shirokuma, and we saw what happened to them. He might be similar in that he'll be able to put up a fight against whoever he faces that's somewhat less physically imposing, but his best chance compared to them is easier competition.

I'm still optimistic about Shirokuma's prospects in Makuuchi, if for no other reason than I really want there to be a Makuuchi rikishi named Shirokuma. 

[Reonito 1,788]

34 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

I'm still optimistic about Shirokuma's prospects in Makuuchi, if for no other reason than I really want there to be a Makuuchi rikishi named Shirokuma. 

He had a tough May basho in Juryo but came back with a yusho in July. He was injured this time. I think it's far too early to write him off. And Shishi has been a slow but steady riser, I think (hope) he can pleasantly surprise us.

[Akinomaki 41,846]

7 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

I'm still optimistic about Shirokuma's prospects in Makuuchi, if for no other reason than I really want there to be a Makuuchi rikishi named Shirokuma. 

Not sure if it's a good or bad sign seeing him at the Nishonoseki-beya senshuraku party

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Shirokuma wants to rebuild his body into one that doesn't get injured and restart - 3 weeks rest treatment needed, for injury to the left ankle