Aki 2024 discussion (results)

[Akinomaki 40,783]

With the shisho as guest on Abema yesterday, Atamifuji lost as usual, while the other 3 makuuchi Fuji won and especially Takerufuji was praised.  Acquired Hakuoho lost.

On 18/09/2024 at 12:44, Akinomaki said:

Shonosuke is really gambarizing and doing the kaobure for the 2nd day in a row, before that on days 3, 5 and 8 in turn with Inosuke, except a blank on day 7 - today with his last breath, that was how it sounded.

His last kaobure - day 12 Inosuke did it and today definitely the torikumi will be (very) late

Edited September 20, 2024 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,783]

39 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

His last kaobure - day 12 Inosuke did it and today definitely the torikumi will be (very) late

Wrong, Shonosuke is doing his last kaobure now, sounding better today after a day's rest. They have no doubt about the results today - or they don't matter

Edited September 20, 2024 by Akinomaki

[rhyen 1,846]

With his 70th katatsukashi, Midorifuji has lapped Tochiozan twice. He is now 6 away from tying Toyonoshima&Tochiozan combined and 12 away from lapping Toyonoshima twice.

[Kaninoyama 1,818]

Takayasu...

[Katooshu 3,334]

Holy heck! What an ending to day 13 

Looks like Onosato's stamina held up better than Kotozakura's - the current ozeki wasn't able to offer nearly as much resistance in the rematch. Breaking the losing streak vs Hoshoryu tomorrow would be a great way for Onosato to seal the yusho, but Hoshoryu looked sharp in disposing of Kirishima and should be motivated to secure his KK.

Edited September 20, 2024 by Katooshu

[rhyen 1,846]

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/fdd6c844eb26f016ae5059816487bd7cbb04e78a

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/5ce23fa54c37b72c934e75a00016a7ea0c5edbd9

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/c7a21e99cbdaf4697486ee09a8fe8505e84003b5?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1fJAe0OqXq7wNH4WRUPUu6YhiA4N5hJ71PuAGoTIZza20vAMOi39jHHZY_aem_J52YCdITV7ixLXLIgQsAOw

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20240920/k10014587251000.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0BMQABHRmyDkL_S8bo0cnpydmLv6LPvTNHhxuLdCrGeEpZ5Pcx_l-nS0RSXhqyYg_aem_ob3Q3KD33vhrTs3OoxkjqQ

 

Edited September 20, 2024 by rhyen

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

Would be nice to give a hint what exactly it is you are posting there.

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

10 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Would be nice to give a hint what exactly it is you are posting there.

Takakeisho intai, probably.

[dingo 1,294]

What a banger of a day, both on and off the dohyo. 

Bushozan had a great start to the basho but now is in freefall (not too difficult with his body..). Gotta wonder what happened after day 5 that he ended up with a straight makekoshi record by today. 

Daieisho is having a late surge this basho and Takayasu has already impressed me by staying in the race that far when I thought he'd be done in a few days. Shows what I know of sumo... 

Hoshoryu looked like he was taking the bout vs Kirishima personally. No doubt he was also motivated by his 6-6 record and danger of going kadoban. In any case that was vintage aggressive Hoshoryu and as a result Onosato got a nice cushion with arguably the most serious competitor for the yusho race already before his own bout. Kirishima hasn't wasted any time in getting a new ozeki campaign going and still can get a respectable 12-3 if he wins out,which would be a great starting point. 

Kotozakura lasted great for the first bout, but he seemed thoroughly knackered already before the torinaoshi started. No wonder Onosato got an easy win in the rematch. Ozeki should be certain now and the yusho very likely as well. 

In juryo, Onosato's former supposed big rival Hakuoho is 6-7 down. He's still young but the struggle seems to be huge. 

And Takakeisho, farewell to the ozeki and welcome to the Hamster oyakata. It was great fun while it lasted. Didn't expect Terunofuji would outlast him but a yokozuna has his privileges. 

 

Edited September 20, 2024 by dingo

[RabidJohn 1,855]

Hoshoryu and Kirishima went at it nadaam style again. That did not look like a happy landing for the latter, either.

Well at least they called a mono-ii this time! I was happy with the tori-naoshi call, and even happier with the result. Onosato definitely hasn't picked up choking from his shisho.
Did Takakeisho announce his intai before or after the musubi-no-ichiban today? Very decent of him to get that news out of the way so as not to impinge on Onosato's promotion.

[Bugman Re-Hatched 26]

Does a kachi-koshi guarantee a wrestler will at least retain his ranking, or is it possible to get your eight wins and still drop downwards at the next basho?

[Jakusotsu 6,049]

4 minutes ago, Bugman Re-Hatched said:

is it possible to get your eight wins and still drop downwards at the next basho?

Only at sanyaku, and not as likely anymore as a decade ago.

[Akinomaki 40,783]

53 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Did Takakeisho announce his intai before or after the musubi-no-ichiban today? Very decent of him to get that news out of the way so as not to impinge on Onosato's promotion.

Not a word about it on the NHK sumo broadcast and immediately after, the 6 o'clock news started with it

Edit: all papers released the news on the net at 18h as well

Edited September 20, 2024 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,783]

1 hour ago, RabidJohn said:

Well at least they called a mono-ii this time! I was happy with the tori-naoshi call, and even happier with the result. 

It definitely looked like this time Kotozakura was robbed and Shonosuke was right: Onosato's fingers swiped the dohyo before Kotozakura was out

[rhyen 1,846]

From Tokiwayama FB page.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0sATbbyKxMfBUr1ZTfAc5XKMFVfPRZ9DudDtVnPUH78Utfivfxffh6j27Vp4aUvRUl&id=100063820261860

[Asashosakari 19,658]

Daiamami tried to beat Aoiyama with Aoiyama sumo today, and I'm struggling to recall anything that ever failed this miserably in my nearly three decades of watching.

[DonKordylone 9]

2 hours ago, Bugman Re-Hatched said:

Does a kachi-koshi guarantee a wrestler will at least retain his ranking, or is it possible to get your eight wins and still drop downwards at the next basho?

No, you have to at least stay at your rank and even this is now a rare occurrence - only in a situation when when no ranks above are available. That’s why rikishi are often over demoted or over promoted in the rankings.

[Asashosakari 19,658]

For fans who like to wish for wacky scenarios, a courtesy reminder that there's never been a 7-7 match between ozeki before. 

[BroadMeadow 43]

52 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Daiamami tried to beat Aoiyama with Aoiyama sumo today, and I'm struggling to recall anything that ever failed this miserably in my nearly three decades of watching.

That was hilarious. Thank you for drawing our attention to it!

[Koorifuu 1,020]

Hidenoumi hakuyozan'd Hakuyozan.

[Rocks 1,809]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

It definitely looked like this time Kotozakura was robbed and Shonosuke was right: Onosato's fingers swiped the dohyo before Kotozakura was out

It sure did look like he hand touched.

[Akinomaki 40,783]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Not a word about it on the NHK sumo broadcast and immediately after, the 6 o'clock news started with it

Edit: all papers released the news on the net at 18h as well

NHK main news at 19h put it after the main sumo news in the sports corner as also happened

[Katooshu 3,334]

Maybe I haven't seen the best angles, but in watching live and finding every available replay I can, it hardly looked clear to me that Onosato's hand touched and I've yet to see any conclusive evidence that it did. Any pics of the touch like there were for Hoshoryu-Tobizaru a few basho ago?

Edited September 20, 2024 by Katooshu

[charliki 16]

How many years has it been since I've been interested in sumo? However, on a visit to Sumo forum, I found many shikonas who inspire me an old friendship. I cordially greet them here.

[Yarimotsu 592]

Very surprised to see a torinaoshi there after similarly close incidents earlier in the basho had been passed over on the strength of fewer frames of flying rikishi. Regardless of any potential hand-swipe earlier in the fight, or the possibility (I think quite likely) of a very slight touch of Onosato's left big toe at the wrong side of the tawara, Kotozakura clearly remains in the ring and applies a final technique to send Onosato flying out moments before he touches down outside. 

If this incident were 3 or more basho ago I would have expected a torinaoshi, but on the strength of prior incidents in this basho I was not expecting to see one there and Onosato should consider himself very lucky. Surely he must win it all from here. Kotozakura, on the other hand, can't expect to be given the break no matter how stiff that decision was. I tend to think in situations like these that the call is made with consideration of an Ozeki on 7 wins playing in the judges' heads.

Speaking of Ozeki, in a departure from recent days' misjudgements Hoshoryu chose the correct technique today and kaeshi'd Kiri. More of that please.