Break The Curse (The Nigate Game) Nagoya 2024

[Athenayama 1,010]

1 hour ago, Sakura said:

I want to give people strategy options, but not dominate the points with bonuses so I propose two points per bonus and three points for a clean sweep, Thoughts?

I am in favor to try this system at least for next basho and see how it goes.
I believe it will add another layer of tactics without making the game more complicated.
I would just have left the bonus points as they are and add the three points for a clean sweep.
And I still think that clean sweeps involving wins by fusen should not be entitled to this extra bonus.

Out of curiosity I just calculated last basho's results with this bonus points (keeping the 3 "normal" bonus points).
The rankings would have remained the same.
With the system proposed by Sakura there would have been few changes in the rankings (Tsunamiko + 2 ranks, Athenayama -2 ranks),   but the winner would still have been Gernobono. Players were not aware though of that new rule then, so it is difficult to compare.

Let's try it for one basho and see how it goes?

Edited July 27, 2024 by Athenayama

[Sumo Spiffy 550]

Takanosho

Mitakeumi

Bushozan!

[Sumo Spiffy 550]

@Sakura I don't have any issue with the change; if you think success is leaning too far towards bonuses, then reducing the win bonus makes sense. But what's the goal with the sweep bonus? If it's just supposed to be a nice little "yay" for someone who nails a day, then three points seems fine. If you want people to really think about going for sweeps (which may be more likely with lower-scoring picks) versus targeting big numbers, I'm not sure three points is enough. It's very hard to sweep—there were only three this whole basho, two of which came on day one—and most days have some potentially high-scoring matches, so it's hard to see making picks based on an attempt to get a sweep (which would be different picks otherwise) working out well.

If you want people to really think about going for sweeps (and, again, you may not, and that's OK), IMO, they need to at least score enough to act as a potential catch-up mechanic for players who are a little behind later in the basho. I realize you probably want to avoid having the standings defined by who got sweeps, but I think, say, six points rather than three could act as an incentive for some people in some cases to reconsider the picks they might automatically make under the current rule set.

Alternately—and this one is very blatantly a catch-up mechanic—the sweep bonus could equal the day of the basho. Players would be incentivized to shift their thinking as the basho goes on. This is 100% my board game experience coming out, since a major aspect of those games is creating mechanics that keep players engaged late in the game even if they're behind, and it only makes sense if you want to change the fact that if someone gets a decent lead here, the last 3-5 days (maybe more) are often mostly a coronation than a competition. But if you did want that, this would be a way to give more people a chance to win later in the basho.

3 hours ago, Athenayama said:

And I still think that clean sweeps involving wins by fusen should not be entitled to this extra bonus.

Understandable, but sometimes people make picks and don't have a chance to change to account for fusens (if they would even want to). So, I'd suggest the bonus for a sweep be equal to non-fusen wins. That is, if someone gets all three right but one is a fusen, they get two extra points for nailing the other two picks. It's a very minor difference and would rarely come into play, but those are situations where we can lean towards player happiness, and I think it's better to still give someone a bonus for having the best possible outcome. (If the sweep bonus is changed, then adjust this idea accordingly.)

[Athenayama 1,010]

5 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Understandable, but sometimes people make picks and don't have a chance to change to account for fusens (if they would even want to). So, I'd suggest the bonus for a sweep be equal to non-fusen wins. That is, if someone gets all three right but one is a fusen, they get two extra points for nailing the other two picks. It's a very minor difference and would rarely come into play, but those are situations where we can lean towards player happiness, and I think it's better to still give someone a bonus for having the best possible outcome. (If the sweep bonus is changed, then adjust this idea accordingly.)

That is fair enough I think. Let's leave all that to Sakura also with your previous statements.

[Bunbukuchagama 706]

Day 15

Tamawashi

Shonannoumi

Ichiyamamoto

 

[Gaijingai 1,565]

Day 15

Shonnanoumi

MItakeumi

Endo

[Sakura 1,484]

I think I'll have to choose a few basho, and calculate the points with different systems and work out what looks good. Of course, as @Athenayama says, people play with the rule set in hand, so we can't make direct comparisons.

[Pitinosato 119]

Day 15

Kotozakura

Atamifuji

Tamawashi

[shimodahito 313]

Tamawashi

Takakarufi

Endo

 

[Athenayama 1,010]

Day 15 :

Sanyaku Kotozakura
M1-M8 Atamifuji
M9+ Bushozan

[Athenayama 1,010]

Final report to be posted only in several hours due to an urgent matter I have to deal with. My apologies and thanks for your understanding.

[Athenayama 1,010]

Entries received Day 15 :
(winners in bold)

Fujisan missed the last day.
Still no perfection but some interesting guesses.

	Gernobono	Tamawashi	Mitakeumi	Hokutofuji
	Fujisan	X	X	X
	Tsunamiko	Kotozakura	Mitakeumi	Tamawashi
	Sumo Spiffy	Takanosho	Mitakeumi	Bushozan
	Athenayama	Kotozakura	Atamifuji	Bushozan
	Gaijingai	Shonannoumi	Mitakeumi	Endo
	Jakusotsu	Kotoshoho	Atamifuji	Endo
	RaeucherLax	Kotozakura	Mitakeumi	Tamawashi
	WAKATAKE	Tamawashi	Mitakeumi	Endo
	Bunbukuchagama	Tamawashi	Shonannoumi	Ichiyamamoto
	shimodahito	Tamawashi	Takarafuji	Endo
	Pitinosato	Kotozakura	Atamifuji	Tamawashi

Final standings :
@Jakusotsu took the lead on day 7 and didn't let it go increasing the spread with his pursuers. As a result he gets a comfortablte and very deserved Yusho. Congrats !
@RaeucherLax also took the second place on day 7 and remained there despite his efforts. He still gets the Jun Yusho. Congrats !
Scores of the day : RaeucherLax (16), Gaijingai (16), Tsunamiko (16), Athenayama (14), Pitinosato (14), Jakusotsu (12), WAKATAKE (12), Sumo Spiffy (10), Bunbukuchagama (8), Gernobono (6), shimodahito (6), Fujisan (0).

	Name	Base Pts	Bonus Pts	Total
	Jakusotsu	75	63	138
	RaeucherLax	72	51	123
	Gernobono	57	42	99
	Bunbukuchagama	43	54	97
	Athenayama	49	48	97
	Gaijingai	45	48	93
	Sumo Spiffy	55	38	93
	WAKATAKE	45	39	84
	Tsunamiko	54	27	81
	Fujisan	50	27	77
	shimodahito	41	33	74
	Pitinosato	22	21	43

Thanks to all the players, we hope to see you again in Aki. Let's hope Pitinosato enjoyed these few days with us and will come back regularly. New players are always welcome of course.

And of course, thanks to @Sakura for running the game !

Edited July 28, 2024 by Athenayama

[Gaijingai 1,565]

10 hours ago, Athenayama said:

Entries received Day 15 :
(winners in bold)

Fujisan missed the last day.
Still no perfection but some interesting guesses.

	Gernobono	Tamawashi	Mitakeumi	Hokutofuji
	Fujisan	X	X	X
	Tsunamiko	Kotozakura	Mitakeumi	Tamawashi
	Sumo Spiffy	Takanosho	Mitakeumi	Bushozan
	Athenayama	Kotozakura	Atamifuji	Bushozan
	Gaijingai	Shonannoumi	Mitakeumi	Endo
	Jakusotsu	Kotoshoho	Atamifuji	Endo
	RaeucherLax	Kotozakura	Mitakeumi	Tamawashi
	WAKATAKE	Tamawashi	Mitakeumi	Endo
	Bunbukuchagama	Tamawashi	Shonannoumi	Ichiyamamoto
	shimodahito	Tamawashi	Takarafuji	Endo
	Pitinosato	Kotozakura	Atamifuji	Tamawashi

 

Ummm...still no perfection? Was your emergency to get reading glasses?

[Athenayama 1,010]

12 hours ago, Gaijingai said:

Ummm...still no perfection? Was your emergency to get reading glasses?

Maybe it is time indeed for reading glasses. I tried to find something funny to say but I couldn't. Anyway I won't correct my report just to remind me of my own imperfection.

I am not really myslef these days. Apologies.

[Jakusotsu 5,892]

18 minutes ago, Athenayama said:

I am not really myslef these days.

You're not even miselet...

[Sakura 1,484]

Many thanks to @Athenayama for doing the scoring, as always. Congratulations to @Jakusotsu for winning.

No further comments for now, as I am running a large conference. It's day 3, and I'm working 15+ hours per day. (Sleep required)

[Gaijingai 1,565]

On 29/07/2024 at 07:34, Athenayama said:

Maybe it is time indeed for reading glasses. I tried to find something funny to say but I couldn't. Anyway I won't correct my report just to remind me of my own imperfection.

I am not really myslef these days. Apologies.

I’ve made worse blunders, even when I am myself at my best!