Kyushu 2024 discussion (results)

[dingo 1,267]

Nishikigi is making a habit of long loss streaks. Recently once he starts losing it seems very hard for his to stop. The 0-3 start this basho looks ominously similar. 

If Kirishima keeps on getting results like this, there's even no sekiwake rank to talk about, not even mentioning ozeki... Not that I really believe he's going to end up with a makekoshi, but his basho start has not been what I expected after the training results.

Kotozakura seemed to be doing well at first but visibly ran out of steam after 10 seconds or so and couldn't put up a resistance to Oho anymore. 

Based on the strength and sharpness of their sumo I'd say the main yusho contestants at this point are Hoshoryu, Atamifuji and Takanosho. Wakatakakage and Onosato follow right behind. 

[Akinomaki 40,670]

Oicho debut for Hakuoho with a win today. He tried it before the basho but the hair was still very short. Yesterday Isegahama told him: "Even if it's short, have it done!"

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[OyakataShinjuku 10]

3 hours ago, dingo said:

Nishikigi is making a habit of long loss streaks. Recently once he starts losing it seems very hard for his to stop. The 0-3 start this basho looks ominously similar. 

If Kirishima keeps on getting results like this, there's even no sekiwake rank to talk about, not even mentioning ozeki... Not that I really believe he's going to end up with a makekoshi, but his basho start has not been what I expected after the training results.

Kotozakura seemed to be doing well at first but visibly ran out of steam after 10 seconds or so and couldn't put up a resistance to Oho anymore. 

Based on the strength and sharpness of their sumo I'd say the main yusho contestants at this point are Hoshoryu, Atamifuji and Takanosho. Wakatakakage and Onosato follow right behind. 

Nishigiki seemed to have just given up on the edge there. He accepted defeat even though I do not think defeat was inevitable (look at the other bouts where rikishi straddled the edge and put up a fight!) His spirit seems out of it by day 3

[RaeucherLax 289]

8 hours ago, rhyen said:

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/shows/2067046/

on demand on the webpage

Yup, watched it there on Sunday, thx! 

[Tsubame 368]

On 11/11/2024 at 08:45, Jakusotsu said:

Right before Takerufuji's loss I was surprised that Kotonishiki is still the only rikishi with two yusho as Maegashira.

for the sake of completeness (and to satisfy the OCD readers here):

http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Query.aspx?show_form=0&group_by=rikishi&form1_rank=m&form1_y=on&form1_m=on

[Koorifuu 1,003]

I've very little understanding of what he actually said, but Kotoyusho sounded happy as he commentated on makushita.

[Benevolance 2,501]

I kept seeing Shodai at Komusubi and had to remind myself whether he's on his way up, or on his way down. Thankfully, after three days, it's very much clear he's on his way down. Major hat tip to the rikishi for helping clear things up for an international fan. 

Edit: I also really like how Kirishima quickly ended speculation as to whether 13 wins might promote him back to ozeki by efficiently eliminating the mathematical possibility of it happening. 

Edited November 12, 2024 by Benevolance

[Koorifuu 1,003]

It's early days but makushita visitors have all been whomped by their juryo hosts, leading to pretty meh scoreboards in the promotion zone. Today's guest, Kamito, limped off the dohyo yesterday - not promising.

Edited November 13, 2024 by Koorifuu

[Reonito 1,482]

53 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

It's early days but makushita visitors have all been whomped by their juryo hosts, leading to pretty meh scoreboards in the promotion zone. Today's guest, Kamito, limped off the dohyo yesterday - not promising.

I was thinking before the basho that the sorting between divisions is pretty accurate at the moment...

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,275]

It’s a nice day in Fukuoka, let’s get on with day 4!

https://i.ibb.co/RQhXGqf/IMG-7168.jpg

 

[dingo 1,267]

Takerufuji seems to be on the way to a 14-win basho, breathing down the neck of all the current leaders. He's back to his brutally efficient pushing and I'm not sure who would stop him from getting the second maegashira yusho. Unless someone goes zensho.

Takarafuji was in a dead or alive situation as he spun right round like a record baby, and that was enough to drop Ichiyamamoto who probably had thought he had his 4th win in the bag. 

Shodai perhaps realised that it's the last moment to start getting the wins for his double digit basho and ozeki run... 

Abi got a great throw to dent Onosato's basho but were his fingers holding Onosato's mage? The other two ozeki impressed me today with super solid sumo. It'll be an exciting 11 days. 

[RaeucherLax 289]

2 hours ago, dingo said:

Abi got a great throw to dent Onosato's basho but were his fingers holding Onosato's mage? 

I thought the same and was a bit suprised that they did not even review. It sure looks at least a  bit suspicious in the slowmo.

[Fashiritētā 182]

1 hour ago, RaeucherLax said:

I thought the same and was a bit suprised that they did not even review. It sure looks at least a  bit suspicious in the slowmo.

Abi definitely cupped his hand over Onosato’s mage, should have been reviewed at the least.

[Jakusotsu 6,001]

I'm kinda glad they don't jump at any touching of hair anymore like they did for some time, which often led to rather silly turnovers.

[Koorifuu 1,003]

15 hours ago, Reonito said:

I was thinking before the basho that the sorting between divisions is pretty accurate at the moment...

I agree if we're only taking the joi into consideration, but would probably take one of Kazekeno, Kyokukaiyu or Kusano over Daiamami, whose performance levels seem to have fallen off a cliff these months.

Edit: and of course poor Kamito went AWOL for his juryo visit today, whilst at his highest rank.

Edited November 13, 2024 by Koorifuu

[Kaninoyama 1,801]

8 hours ago, RaeucherLax said:

I thought the same and was a bit suprised that they did not even review. It sure looks at least a  bit suspicious in the slowmo.

I thought so too at first, but then, Onosato's hair was not even the least bit disheveled. so maybe there was no actual grabbing. 

[Katooshu 3,265]

Wow! Check out Aonishiki-Oshoumi if you can.

[Jakusotsu 6,001]

36 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Wow! Check out Aonishiki-Oshoumi if you can.

Too bad Aonishiki slipped on the sagari in the end.

But seriously, what is Oshoumi smoking these days? Are these small tapes on his back more than just suspicious? Or did all that posing with Onosato turn him into a veritable contender all of a sudden?

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,275]

1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

Too bad Aonishiki slipped on the sagari in the end.

But seriously, what is Oshoumi smoking these days? Are these small tapes on his back more than just suspicious? Or did all that posing with Onosato turn him into a veritable contender all of a sudden?

It’s his ports to plug into the chankoMatrix 

[Kaninoyama 1,801]

Hoshoryu looking unstoppable this basho. Kirishima looking like a flash in the pan as a former Ozeki. 

[dingo 1,267]

Ryuden had to concentrate all his effort and strength to get Shishi finally over the tawara. Had he let of only a little bit, Shishi would've recovered. Props to Shishi, his determination to resist at the dohyo edge is exemplary and he might win against less strong yotsu opponents that way.

Beautiful throw by Sadanoumi. The veteran still has it in him!

Abi seems to be in the zone. Whether that lasts until the end of the basho remains to be seen but at the moment he's establishing himself as a serious contender. 

Shodai vs Daieisho has to be the biggest mismatch in tachiai in makuuchi. Today's bout was just ridiculous, Shodai shouldn't even have bothered to turn up. 

Kirishima's results are a bit inexplicable. He has the same 0-5 score as Nishikigi, but Nishikigi's losses have been decisive whereas Kirishima is making a decent effort but it just doesn't seem to work out for him. As was previously said, there's some kind of edge that seems to be missing in him. 

After a small push back at tachiai Onosato handled Atamifuji like he was 100kg less. That was one of the most impressive displays of the power that Onosato is able to generate, both by lifting and moving forwards.

Hoshoryu means serious business this basho. And he's a great burger chef considering his excellent flipping skills on display today. That happened faster than you can say Wakatakakage... 

By the way Aoiyama looks totally accustomed to his role as a security guard/ticket handler/bouncer. If I didn't know better I'd say he's been doing it his entire life. 

[RabidJohn 1,823]

I hope Shishi can add more to his repertoire than yori kiri or bust, although that could take him a fair way, especially if he develops more stamina.
Great bout against Ryuden employing identical technique, and his point work on the tawara is just as impressive as fancy pirouettes.

Quite a good day for the Davids. Midorifuji toppled Takayasu with apparent ease, Tobizaru's shitatenage against Kotoshoho was lovely, and Hiradoumi didn't give Wakamotoharu any opportunities at all.

I actually blinked at the wrong time and missed Daieisho punishing Shodai for his pathetic tachi-ai - had to skip back to watch it again!

For a brief moment I thought Wakatakakage had Hoshoryu, but the turnaround was brilliant and the sukuinage finish sublime.
I'm not a fan, but I appreciate good sumo. 

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Audience Watch: I've noticed for the first time that there's a brown jacket crew in Fukuoka, too.
They're not as numerous as the Osaka Brothers of Misery, and their jackets are brighter and more decorative, but undeniably brown.
 

[Leoben 145]

For a second it looked like Hoshoryu would pick up his first loss today but the reversal was beautiful. I like that he hasn't had to rely on his signature retreating counter throws this tournament, hopefully it's a signal of growth.

It's incredible how Onosato is able to push like that while standing practically upright, and against an opponent that matches his size. I don't find his sumo especially interesting but his physical talent is ridiculous. 

Edited November 14, 2024 by Leoben

[Akoushousan 8]

5 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Hoshoryu looking unstoppable this basho. Kirishima looking like a flash in the pan as a former Ozeki. 

Anyone any idea what's troubling Kirishima? Is he still injured? Did he loose his mojo? Or is 0:5 purely luck abandoning him?

 

[RabidJohn 1,823]

1 hour ago, Akoushousan said:

Anyone any idea what's troubling Kirishima? 

Only a hunch, but I believe he overdid training again and gave himself another injury. 
It's so reminiscent of his ozeki collapse, which also followed a ridiculous number of keiko bouts.