ex-Yoshikaze starts his own heya

[Kintamayama 44,354]

Nakamura Oyakata, Ex-Yoshikaze has announced his intention of establishing his own heya officially today. He is taking 8 rikishi including Tomokaze and new Juryo Kayou, 1 yobidashi (Rokurou) and 1 tokoyama. Oonosato will stay with Nishonoseki.

Others moving with him: Makushita Miyagi, and Sandanme Aharon, Ryuuou, Nishida, Wakenosato and Katou. 

Edited May 30 by Kintamayama

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

How about Shirokuma? 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

1 hour ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

How about Shirokuma? 

Not on the list, not joining..

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Effective as of June 1st, says the oshirase. The tokoyama is Tokokasumi who had just joined in April.

So of the rikishi who moved from Oguruma-beya, Kirinryu alone has decided to stay with Nishonoseki.

[Akinomaki 39,796]

3 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Effective as of June 1st, says the oshirase. The tokoyama is Tokokasumi who had just joined in April.

So of the rikishi who moved from Oguruma-beya, Kirinryu alone has decided to stay with Nishonoseki.

That's earlier than rumoured, but Shirokuma apparently stays, like I had assumed in the beginning - tabloid talk focussed on Onosato losing him as training partner. We'll see if the location will be what had been reported - now it's said, it will be announced as soon at it has been officially decided. https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/articles/-/304206

On 09/05/2024 at 21:30, Akinomaki said:

The former shisho leaves the NSK and ex-Yoshikaze after the Aki basho the scandalous Nishonoseki-beya to become independent, according to the latest rumours on YT, which stem from a Weekly Post article 3 days ago https://www.news-postseven.com/archives/20240507_1961510.html

They'll use the just closed Michinoku-beya, he takes his Nittaidai guys with him, except Onosato.

Edit: Shirokuma is a bit longer in the heya is rumoured to move along

Edited May 30 by Akinomaki

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

8 hours ago, Kintamayama said:

Not on the list, not joining..

Isn't it highly unusual?

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

1 minute ago, Kintamayama said:

I think all the guys he brought with him from Oguruma are coming with him.

But Shirokuma is also his recruit?

[Kintamayama 44,354]

Yes he is but it seems the newer sekitori guys chose to stay with Kisenosato. I would..

Edited May 30 by Kintamayama

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

Just now, Kintamayama said:

I would..

Luxury and ozumo are mutually exclusive! 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

Just now, Bunbukuchagama said:

Luxury and ozumo are mutually exclusive! 

It is after all the best equipped heya in the world..

[Akinomaki 39,796]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

It is after all the best equipped heya in the world..

But now they are moving from the most distant to the heya closest to the kokugikan (the location is not finally confirmed though)

On 28/05/2024 at 13:32, Akinomaki said:

Which heya is closest to the kokugikan?

It used to be Michinoku, but it's closed down - the new Nakamura-beya is said to use the premises when it's created - 150m, a 3 minutes walk away from the kokugikan.

Now the closest is Kasugano - 8 minutes to walk, then Tokitsukaze with 9 minutes, both are 550m away using Google Map. Next group with 10 minutes and 700 meters away are Hakkaku and Dewanoumi.

Kirishima from closest is now at the 2600m and 36minutes to walk Otowayama-beya.

The heya with the greatest distance is Nishonoseki-beya: by the fastest route 53 km, that map tells it's 12h16m to walk.

http://www.nikkansports.com/battle/column/sumo/news/202405260000159.html

[Kaninoyama 1,694]

Just wondering how Nishonoseki & Nakamura agree to divvy up the rikishi in situations like this. Is it contentious? Are the ones going with Nakamura ones he specifically recruited? Or did the rikishi themselves express preference to join him rather than stay?

Inquiring minds want to know....

[incognito 2]

46 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

Just wondering how Nishonoseki & Nakamura agree to divvy up the rikishi in situations like this. Is it contentious? Are the ones going with Nakamura ones he specifically recruited? Or did the rikishi themselves express preference to join him rather than stay?

Inquiring minds want to know....

Do we know the juniors involved in the drinking scandal? Would be interesting to see if they stayed or went.

[dingo 1,160]

13 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Luxury and ozumo are mutually exclusive! 

Well, you never know how Nakamura beya could turn out... 

[Akinomaki 39,796]

8 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Just wondering how Nishonoseki & Nakamura agree to divvy up the rikishi in situations like this. Is it contentious? Are the ones going with Nakamura ones he specifically recruited? Or did the rikishi themselves express preference to join him rather than stay?

This is not a forced move like with Miyagino, the rikishi can chose if they want to go or stay. Not even all of those he recruited or brought to the heya go with Nakamura

20 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

of the rikishi who moved from Oguruma-beya, Kirinryu alone has decided to stay with Nishonoseki.

He came with 8 and goes with 8, 2 of them new, Kato and Kayo - 1 stays, Fujikawa has retired by now. Of cause all those still named -kaze go with Yoshikaze, but only 3 of the 5 from Nittaidai - all recruited by his connection there and all but Onosato scouted by him personally - Shirokuma and Kayo joined together.

o

8 hours ago, incognito said:

Do we know the juniors involved in the drinking scandal? Would be interesting to see if they stayed or went.

Only the likely victim - and he stays

On 23/04/2024 at 15:22, Akinomaki said:

Tabloid Dailyshincho reports that it was a 19y old that started last Haru - that's Soseizan, who was full kyujo since Aki and restarted in maezumo last basho. There's talk of hazing, in which Onosato took part. o

(Fujiso is now 19, but was 18 then)

[Akinomaki 39,796]

On 30/05/2024 at 13:09, Yubinhaad said:

Effective as of June 1st, says the oshirase. The tokoyama is Tokokasumi who had just joined in April.

Not much about the heya that started today - only Nishonoseki-beya has reduced the members listed for the heya https://nishonosekibeya.com/introduction/#wrestler

The NSK still lists them at the old heya https://www.sumo.or.jp/ResultRikishiDataSumoBeya/detail/32/ and has no Nakamura-beya yet, the 44th heya now.

The recent Naozotore sumo special mentioned that each heya has to have a tokoyama, which would limit the number of heya to 50 - the upper  limit for tokoyama, gyoji and yobidashi  have 45 - apparently they weren't  exact in the wording. - Edit: wikipedia says tokoyama numbers may be increased above 50 if a heya has none and there are 12 rikishi or more

The heya homepage nakamurabeya.jp is still in preparation https://nakamurabeya.jp/introduction, but the location 150m away from the kokugikan is confirmed https://nakamurabeya.jp/access/

Edited June 1 by Akinomaki

[Asashosakari 18,786]

It definitely wasn't the case that every heya had a tokoyama back when when there were as many as 55 of them two decades ago. Even now there are seven that don't have one, and while those are mostly* stables that are relatively new (Ajigawa, Takekuma) or stables that lost one to retirement within the last few years (Futagoyama, Nishiiwa, Onoe, Takasago), it certainly appears to be more of a "should" regulation than "must".

* The only exception appears to be Asahiyama, going by Naganoyama's heya member listings history for the eight years of its existence. Has it had any that lasted for less than a year?

The Kyokai website will presumably be updated on Monday.

Edited June 1 by Asashosakari

[Akinomaki 39,796]

Nakamura-beya members on the move today to the far way new location close to work

o o

 

Another uchideshi who won't come along is Sato

On 25/01/2022 at 20:31, Akinomaki said:

Kounosuke Sato 佐藤晃之介 (18) from the Nakatsu-higashi high sumo club will be joining Nishonoseki-beya for Haru, the last from that club was Nakamura (Yoshikaze), who now also joins the heya, Sato will be his uchideshi: "I want to do a sumo that those who watch find interesting and rise up the banzuke."

On 24/05/2022 at 18:48, Chartorenji said:

On 24/05/2022 at 10:47, Akinomaki said:

The 4 from Nishonoseki-beya - interesting to see who's one of Nakamura/Yoshikaze's boys, Sato wears his high school kesho mawashi, the other 3 one of Kisenosato - proper ones for tiger Rinko and dragon Hayashiryu (Dragonball style, with a Hello Kitty tiger as well), Watanabe maybe with some connection as well

https://www.town.ami.lg.jp/promotion/0000009624.html - Natsu has only Takahashi for Nakamura

Sato is basically Yoshikaze's protege at this point. Same high school, same sumo club. Hell, Sato won a National High School Speech competition talking about Yoshikaze

Takahashi is Shirokuma

Kirinryu as he joined

On 25/12/2019 at 22:44, Akinomaki said:

Kaiyo high's Takeoka today had the press conference with Nakamura to announce that he joins Oguruma-beya: "I'm aiming to become a strong rikishi who pushes forward from the tachiai in one go, like the oyakata (Yoshikaze) when active." Nice shusshin: he is from Ryogoku, Tokyo. 6th year primary school he was 160cm and just 50 kg, now 173cm and 110kg. He appeared mainly in the team events, this year he was runner-up with the Kaiyo team at the national Towada tournament. https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASMDT53HKMDTUOHB00L.html

looks like the next uchi-deshi for the future Nakamura-beya - no.1 is now at his personal high, sd8 Sakaekaze

Sakaekaze is now Wakenosato and likely will change back to -kaze form soon: he slowly went down after joining Nishonoseki

Edited June 3 by Akinomaki

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

13 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Nakamura-beya members on the move today to the far way new location close to work

They look happy. Way happier than Miyagino boys during their move.

[Yamanashi 3,726]

59 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

They look happy. Way happier than Miyagino boys during their move.

The picture reminds me of a still photo from a silent comedy reel ... complete with Harold Lloyd.

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

3 hours ago, Yamanashi said:

The picture reminds me of a still photo from a silent comedy reel ... complete with Harold Lloyd.

...while the pic below features four Buster Keatons.

[Akinomaki 39,796]

At the new heya

o

o o

Nakamura: "It's a comfort to have the workplace close-by".

- those who go to the sumo school from Nishonoseki-beya have to take the first train in the morning at 5:31h and have a 90min journey

He thanks the 2 oyakata under which he learned the trade, Oguruma till 2022 and for 2y3m Nishonoseki - in the 23 years till retirement, he wants to raise at least 20 sekitori.

Edited June 4 by Akinomaki

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

On 01/06/2024 at 21:38, Asashosakari said:

It definitely wasn't the case that every heya had a tokoyama back when when there were as many as 55 of them two decades ago. Even now there are seven that don't have one, and while those are mostly* stables that are relatively new (Ajigawa, Takekuma) or stables that lost one to retirement within the last few years (Futagoyama, Nishiiwa, Onoe, Takasago), it certainly appears to be more of a "should" regulation than "must".

* The only exception appears to be Asahiyama, going by Naganoyama's heya member listings history for the eight years of its existence. Has it had any that lasted for less than a year?

None at all for Asahiyama, according to the master list maintained by Momijibasi.

On their old blog-style website, Takasago-beya had a notice at the top for years asking for tokoyama applicants, without success. I don't know who will help out there after Tokoyumi's early retirement; maybe Tokonaka who is surely not overworked at Nishikido-beya.

[Yamanashi 3,726]

49 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

None at all for Asahiyama, according to the master list maintained by Momijibasi.

On their old blog-style website, Takasago-beya had a notice at the top for years asking for tokoyama applicants, without success. I don't know who will help out there after Tokoyumi's early retirement; maybe Tokonaka who is surely not overworked at Nishikido-beya.

1 km away, less than a 15 minute walk.  Of course, I don't have to walk it, but still, a good idea.

[Yokozuna Hattorizakura 151]

I'm surprised he was able to open his own heya. I thought he was in deep financial trouble with that lawsuit (whatever happened to that?) and everything surrounding his psycho ex wife.