Nagoya 2024 discussion (results)

[Akinomaki 40,236]

Takerufuji kyujo in a row - drop to makushita if he doesn't join later, he probably will join.

http://www.47news.jp/news/11185644.html

Edited July 12, 2024 by Akinomaki

[Bunbukuchagama 706]

59 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

if he doesn't join later, he probably will

If he managed to win the Cup on one foot, a couple of wins in Juryo shouldn't be a problem.

[Jakusotsu 5,898]

He still needs yusho in in Sandanme and Makushita for his collection...

[dingo 1,240]

Don't give him any ideas... 

[Asapedroryu 229]

Chiyoshoma also out according with JSA site.

The only 2 sekitori listed.

[Yamanashi 3,800]

2 hours ago, Asapedroryu said:

Chiyoshoma also out according with JSA site.

The only 2 sekitori listed.

A real shame about Chiyoshoma.  His previous two basho have been his best (score-wise and sumo-wise) in ... forever.  Last basho's 12 wins is tops for his career.

[Akinomaki 40,236]

The last dohyo-matsuri in the Aichi pref. gymnasium "Dolphins Arena" - about 500 came to watch - still without sekitori

o oo ovid

o vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssc-CsXHUno

no longer live streams by the NSK - basho promoter Chunichi shimbun posted it in full

 - also from the sumo channel  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m4_RU4AtcM

The official basho page has anecdotes from past Nagoya basho http://static.chunichi.co.jp/chunichi/pages/event/sumo/anecdote.html

Nagoya chief Dewanoumi looks different today presenting the commemorative o-iri-bukuro for this basho - usually each man-in onrei day given to the media representatives, this time for all spectators - all days are a sell-out

o o

the last PR idea of the late Kimurayama - today was his birthday

the yobidashi parade on tour announcing the torikumi at Chunichi  building

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Not 2, 3 teams, yobiage at about 90 spots

 

dohyo preparation earlier this week

 

o o vid

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Hp01zKSYNR0

Edited July 14, 2024 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,236]

A new record: combined oldest in a bout - 94y11m for oldest active Shoketsu against also 47y old Yoshiazuma, who won by yorikiri - both had never a day of kyujo, ex-m12 Yoshiazuma is 2nd behind Tamawashi in consecutive appearances, 8th longest streak in history. Shoketsu has the 4th longest streak among the active. Their last bout was 3 years ago, all 4 times they met, Yoshiazuma won.

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So far the record was 92y8m for Hanakaze at 50 vs Tenichi at 42, Nagoya 2020

Edit: looks like that record is only for Nagoya

8 hours ago, Ripe said:

Shouldn't the record be 95y9m from 2021 Kyushu Hanakaze (51y5m) vs Fujinokaze (44y4m) bout?

Edited July 15, 2024 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,236]

The new training methods at Nakamura don't really pay-off so far - all lost today, except Miyagi (not yet in the DB). Miyagi showed that he forgot how to do a proper tachi-ai, but somehow won after having confused his opponent with that.

[Kaninoyama 1,731]

25 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

The new training methods at Nakamura don't really pay-off so far - all lost today, except Miyagi (not yet in the DB). Miyagi showed that he forgot how to do a proper tachi-ai, but somehow won after having confused his opponent with that.

Not practicing tachi-ai is already paying dividends at Nakamura-beya. 

[I am the Yokozuna 188]

Sprained or torn muscle mid-bout for Takayasu?

[Tigerboy1966 1,429]

1 minute ago, I am the Yokozuna said:

Sprained or torn muscle mid-bout for Takayasu?

He was holding his chest so maybe a pectoral?

[Tigerboy1966 1,429]

Onosato soft and high at the tachi-ai. That was easy for Mitakeumi and he certainly looked like he enjoyed it from the way he snatched those envelopes.

[Kaninoyama 1,731]

Kitanofuji just made a video appearance on the NHK broadcast to give a greeting and share his thoughts about the basho. Seems this might be the way he makes an appearance from now on, as it doesn't appear he has the energy for full commentary duty any longer. 

Edited July 14, 2024 by Kaninoyama

[Akinomaki 40,236]

On 05/07/2024 at 23:45, Akinomaki said:

yusho forecast -  Nishonoseki:Takayasu, Otowayama:Onosato

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- I go for Terunofuji

Terunofuji performed like I expected - but like this he won't last till the 2nd week, I hope Hiradoumi was just exceptionally good. Kirishima on the way back - nobody named his attempt as something to look forward to this basho, only how Onosato will perform and if the Y/O will show that they are Y/O

Edit: Onosato performed like an ozeki

Edited July 14, 2024 by Akinomaki

[Yarimotsu 554]

Quite a let-down for day 1 on a number of fronts, I hope those who failed can come back tomorrow with the correct attitude and energy despite the heat.

[RabidJohn 1,742]

The yokozuna's 'best before' date expired at least a couple of years ago, but I still enjoyed Hiradoumi's very plucky day 1 showing. The shin-komusubi may well MK at this level, but I love his always-up-for-it attitude.

Not surprising to see Atamifuji beat Hoshoryu, but the way he did it was. Hoshoryu looked to just run out of steam.

Kirishima getting 10% of the way back to ozeki was good: Takayasu being instantly immobilised by an (abdominal?) injury wasn't.

Meisei getting the better of knackered Takakeisho wasn't really surprising, but Mitakeumi bulldozing crown prince Onosato was. 

I consider myself entertained.

[dingo 1,240]

Finally a new basho, lots of excitement ahead!

Endo didn't quite have the spring in his step like last basho and lost, even though his opponent was Rouga who's not exactly a makuuchi stalwart.

Wakatakakage's long absence from makuuchi showed against Takarafuji, getting outsmarted by a simple sidestep. To give credit to Takarafuji, that was perfect timing.

Not a good start for Hokutofuji at lower makuuchi, Churanoumi moved him backwards too easily. If Hokutofuji is healthy, I'd expect him to bulldoze through the opposition with double digits at this rank.

Asan O'Yama, the ex-Ozeki got to a solid start, his dominance against Nishikigi was not in doubt for a second. Not that there were too many seconds in his decisive bout. Is the new green mawashi giving him some Irish luck? Is there a leprechaun hiding in his topknot? Too many important questions...

Midorifuji handled Ichiyamamoto surprisingly easily -- one pulldown and that was it. He was radiating a serious aura after the win, giving me the feeling he'll be one rikishi to watch this basho.

Tamawashi got a good win against Shodai, though I'm not sure if it was thanks to his unorthodox training methods or just the quality of the opponent...

Wow, Sadanoumi is almost as impressive as Tamawashi, not showing a single sign of his age and pulling off a mighty throw against Ryuden who's not an easy opponent on the mawashi. Promising start for the veteran.

Nice forward moving sumo from Oho, exactly what he needs to do. He has the body and the power, he just has to use them better.

Ura the escape artist outmaneuvered Onosho so thoroughly that Onosho might as well have been trying to catch a ghost. As it turns out he's no ghostbuster and Ura earns his first win to move closer to sanyaku once more.

Tobizaru on the other hand got caught out completely by Gonoyama, having barely time to react before he was pushed out by his opponent.

Takayasu's mid-basho breakdowns have been getting earlier and earlier. I hope his record this basho won't be 90% of one bout...

Surprise of the day from Mitakeumi! However, he's slowly been getting back to his old form lately, being especially dangerous in the beginning of the basho. Perhaps Onosato took him too lightly, believing too much in his own power? Combined with the toll the yusho celebrations took on his preparations, the loss was unexpected but not a total shock. I guess the ozeki rank has to wait for a bit as I don't see Onosato finishing the basho without dropping at least a few more.

Wakamotoharu means business, dispatching Abi without too much trouble. Based on today, another rikishi to watch carefully this basho.

Takakeisho seems weaponless, except for his mass and anyone in the joi should be able to push back 200kg of mostly resistanceless bulk. The only positive seems to be that Takakeisho needs just 8 wins, not 10 like Kirishima.

Nice to see Atamifuji patient and using his natural advantage to outlast and outmuscle Hoshoryu. If Atamifuji is in such shape, he might be a serious yusho challenger.

Kotozakura got beaten again by Daieisho. Does any ozeki want to contest this basho or is it time for a small break and rest?

I already forgot that Terunofuji is also participating this basho. The most that can be said about his bout against Hiradoumi is that the yokozuna lasted the first day I guess, out of the five I thought he would at most. Let's see if things get better or not.

[Tigerboy1966 1,429]

Abi has had great success with pulls against WMH in the past but today he hit reverse at the wrong time. WMH just stayed right on top of him and got a straightforward win. Smart strategy but poor tactics from Abi.

[dingo 1,240]

I got so excited about finally having a new basho that I wrote down some comments about juryo as well, mostly about the "celebrity" rikishi:

Nabatame whom I've grown to like through the Futagoyama beya YouTube channel did well for his first ever juryo bout, keeping pressure on Fujiseiun and not letting him escape. Well deserved win, though I'm a bit concerned about the huge knee support he's wearing. He seemed to be limping a bit, though I'm not sure whether that's because of an injury or because the knee support is so inflexible.

Hakuoho got a win, mostly thanks to Kayo who inexplicably decided to start pulling in the middle of pushing Hakuoho back and got taken advantage of immediately. 

Aoiyama who's still getting the paycheck in Juryo also got a win from a pulldown, which is pretty much the only way he can win these days. How anyone still falls for that is beyond me but if it works for Aoiyama he can still extend his sumo career for a bit more. 

Shishi is still Shishi I guess. He still seems to have no clue what to do when caught in a mawashi grip, and since he gave up that grip immediately with a soft tachiai that basically invited the opponent in, that was it. 

The Myogiryuu vs Shirokuma matchup was interesting to see, though the bout itself was nothing special. A straightforward force-out for Myogiryuu, who seemingly can still overpower most of juryo. 

Tsurugishou is strong enough and even to some extent mobile, so got a decent win. 

Mitoryuu riding the eternal juryo-makuuchi elevator got his first win for a potential ticket to once again visit to the top ranks. 

Onokatsu the Mongolian wonderkid is for sure on the way to makuuchi. Will be interesting to see how he'll do there. 

[Bunbukuchagama 706]

14 minutes ago, dingo said:

He seemed to be limping a bit, though I'm not sure whether that's because of an injury or because the knee support is so inflexible.

Futagoyama mentioned his knee bothering him in his pre-basho interview, I think.

[Akinomaki 40,236]

11 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

yusho forecast -  Nishonoseki:Takayasu, Otowayama:Onosato

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5 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

VOD for the basho zenya-sai https://tver.jp/episodes/epxc6wmfl7

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Nishonoseki as the reason for picking Takayasu said: He maybe has the greatest stability and if he can go through uninjured, he could be the one

Kakuryu for Onosato: he's piling up the experience in one go, he has a sufficient chance this basho

- reasonably careful predictions and mostly moot already

Sujo caster Yamane Chika picked Kotozakura - she's writing a column for the local Tottori paper, one of Kotozakura's home areas: Over a year without makekoshi, I think he's close to the yusho

[Ripe 71]

16 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

A new record: combined oldest in a bout - 94y11m for oldest active Shoketsu against also 47y old Yoshiazuma, who won by yorikiri - both had never a day of kyujo, ex-m12 Yoshiazuma is 2nd behind Tamawashi in consecutive appearances, 8th longest streak in history. Shoketsu has the 4th longest streak among the active. Their last bout was 3 years ago, all 4 times they met, Yoshiazuma won.

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So far the record was 92y8m for Hanakaze at 50 vs Tenichi at 42

Shouldn't the record be 95y9m from 2021 Kyushu Hanakaze (51y5m) vs Fujinokaze (44y4m) bout?

[Reonito 1,389]

16 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Onosato soft and high at the tachi-ai. That was easy for Mitakeumi and he certainly looked like he enjoyed it from the way he snatched those envelopes.

3-time yusho winner and former Ozeki Mitakeumi showed up!

[Reonito 1,389]

7 hours ago, dingo said:

Aoiyama who's still getting the paycheck in Juryo also got a win from a pulldown, which is pretty much the only way he can win these days. How anyone still falls for that is beyond me but if it works for Aoiyama he can still extend his sumo career for a bit more. 

Not sure it's a question of "falling for it" as much as when someone that tall and strong grabs you by the back of the neck and yanks, there's not a lot you can do.