Natsu 2024 discussion (results)

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

7 hours ago, Faustonowaka said:

All but one sanyaku losing on the same day must be some kind of record

And the one win was by the lowest of them against a Yokozuna. 

[Kishinoyama 582]

1 hour ago, Akoushousan said:

An enormous loss of face for Hakkaku and the banzuke-producers.  I had the feeling watching Hoshoryu's expression that when he saw what was brewing he went along and lost for the effect.  

He did have a wry grin on his face after that loss. Never mind! He has the wry grin after almost every loss….

[Yamanashi 3,725]

1 hour ago, Koorifuu said:

Speaking of Onosato, what's with this grimace he made a number of times during his interview?

Is it a tic he's always had but I never noticed? Or might he be in pain? Not a good sign if it's the latter, since there was no apparent cause during the bout.

crying (emotion)?  I've seen that look before under those circumstances.

[Yamanashi 3,725]

Oh somewhere in this sacred land the Rising Sun is bright,

Yobidashi hit the taiko, and sujo hearts are light,

The rikishi are laughing, and ring announcers shout,

But not in the Kokugikan – the Ozeki have struck out.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_at_the_Bat

 

Edited May 12 by Yamanashi

[Asojima 2,870]

20 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

Oh somewhere in this sacred land the Rising Sun is bright,

Yobidashi hit the taiko, and sujo hearts are light,

The rikishi are laughing, and ring announcers shout,

But not in the Kokugikan – the Ozeki have struck out.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_at_the_Bat

 

67 years ago, my English teacher assigned us to recite a poem.  I memorized and recited Casey at the Bat.  Most of it is still stuck in my memory. 

[dingo 1,160]

Amazing hard fought bout between Wakamotoharu and Takayasu! Jostling for mawashi grip, throw attempts, balance battles, what else could you want in a match! Very close until the end when Takayasu managed to overpower his opponent. Great start for the hairy one.

Kirishima really did not look much better today than in the last basho. He'd better hope that was just an accident and not an omen for the rest of the basho. 

Takakeisho looks on the way to another kadoban, possibly by kyujo. Likewise, he'd hope that was just a first bout scare. 

I've got to admit that while I did suspect Kirishima's and Takakeisho's results, in no way did I expect a clean sweep of the ozeki ranks! I mean bad ozeki starts seem to be a fairly regular happening these days, yet each time it catches me by surprise. The ozeki crowd better get their act together soon. 

And jeez, seeing the musubi no ichiban I wanted to say that Onosato got thrown to the wolves in his first bout, but actually it seems that it was the yokozuna who got thrown to the wolves. No easy start for Terunofuji to warm up for the basho. 

I assume at some point at least one or two of the ozeki-yokozuna crowd must get into the groove enough to contest for the yusho, but based on today it's tough to see who'd get even 12-13 wins from here on. 

Edited May 12 by dingo

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

32 minutes ago, dingo said:

Amazing hard fought bout between Wakamotoharu and Takayasu!

Best bout of the basho so far. All the other sanyaku upsets were quick and embarrassing.

[Leoben 121]

After nearly 4 years in Makuuchi, I'd like to see Hoshoryu do something more than lock up, get pushed back, and go for the retreating throw. It's his blueprint against bigger guys and he makes it work against the lower-ranked wrestlers but Kotozakura has his number and Atamifuji handled him easily today. Presumably, he's faster than all of these guys, I don't understand why he doesn't use lateral movement to get better positions where it's not a straight-up power battle against guys that outweigh him by 30 kg. He should really take a page from Harumafuji's playbook.

[Reonito 1,335]

12 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Wow. Top 7 ranked rikishi lost - has it ever happened before?

 

 

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

Kiryuko took his first step towards superstardom.

[Reonito 1,335]

Of the 396 Makuuchi yusho winners in the 6-basho era (1958-now), 363 opened with a win and only 33 opened with a loss.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

2 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Of the 396 Makuuchi yusho winners in the 6-basho era (1958-now), 363 opened with a win and only 33 opened with a loss.

So... Onosato is the only thing between us and another Maegashira yusho? 

[Reonito 1,335]

10 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

So... Onosato is the only thing between us and another Maegashira yusho? 

It's not a certainty, but the probabilities do point in that direction. I thought it might have happened more frequently in the recent chaotic era, but since 2020, only Terunofuji 2 years ago and Takakeisho with his 11-4 yusho last November have managed it after starting 0-1.

[Reonito 1,335]

I should note that there's nothing special about day 1. For most days, a yusho winner is ~10 times as likely to have won than lost on that day, though losses hurt a little less in the last 5 days, and especially on day 15.

[Koorifuu 886]

53 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Kiryuko took his first step towards superstardom.

Daiseizan should've got that, though. 

[Reonito 1,335]

Perhaps unsurprisingly after today, Terunofuji and Takakeisho are out.

[code_number3 694]

4 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Kiryuko took his first step towards superstardom.

Wella commercial!

[Kishinoyama 582]

On 10/05/2024 at 04:58, Kishinoyama said:

I wish the Yokozuna only the best but with all the reports on his condition, I will be stunned if he makes to day 5 much less day 10. 

Day five was much closer.

[dingo 1,160]

Idle thought of the day, following up from the ozeki-yokozuna cleanup yesterday -- if Daieisho would've remained in sanyaku after last basho, perhaps at least Kotozakura would've won the first bout. Still iffy though. 

[Tsubame 356]

22 hours ago, Tsubame said:

22 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

Takarafuji

I mean he is M17, so it is not sooo unlikely.

Okay, lets cheer for Takarafuji!

He is still on course for his zensho yusho!

[Akinomaki 39,789]

We have the first basho under the new top shimpan Takadagawa, one of the best they had in a while - will that reflect on the shimpan decisions?

Yesterday in the Wakatakakage-Shirokuma bout the gyoji call was reversed, Wakatakakage won because the foot of Shirokuma had turned to the wrong side down while he pushed Wakatakakage out. It has been a while since they cared for that - is that special service for Wakatakakage and a penalty for Nishonoseki for causing a slight scandal or a sign of a more proper handling of the rules? New deputy Kokonoe headed the shimpan at that bout.

[rhyen 1,809]

That was so scrappy at the edge for Takayasu & Onosato. I wonder if people can make Onosato pirouette and fall just by himself. 

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

22 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

We have the first basho under the new top shimpan Takadagawa, one of the best they had in a while - will that reflect on the shimpan decisions?

Yesterday in the Wakatakakage-Shirokuma bout the gyoji call was reversed, Wakatakakage won because the foot of Shirokuma had turned to the wrong side down while he pushed Wakatakakage out. It has been a while since they cared for that - is that special service for Wakatakakage and a penalty for Nishonoseki for causing a slight scandal or a sign of a more proper handling of the rules? New deputy Kokonoe headed the shimpan at that bout.

It's a gift for WTK. Wrapped with a ribbon and a card signed "Miss you, get back to Makuuchi soon. Yours truly, NSK". 

[Akinomaki 39,789]

No sweep today, the one who has to get kachikoshi remembered that needs to wake up.

[Akinomaki 39,789]

Nice for Shonosuke - he only needed to do the kachi-nanori today for his cancelled bout - he knew that and had enough breath to do the kaobure today after the dohyo-iri, his part there also was cancelled.