Natsu 2024 discussion (results)

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

9 minutes ago, Sakura said:

It's why I don't choose him in Bench. I can't trust him to win the match-ups he ought to win. 

Yes, predictability is key in Bench. I would take a 6-9 rikishi over a 9-6 one if I knew exactly when his 6 wins would happen.

This is also why picking Abi is usually a bad idea.

[Sumo Spiffy 544]

4 hours ago, junsan said:

Abi's tsuppari is wasted on someone like Onosato. His best bet is some kinda henka.

Nothing about Onosato's game suggests he'd be vulnerable to a henka. The biggest improvement he's made from the time he hit juryo to now is probably his control. If Abi hits him with his normal strategy, there's always a slight chance he could get pushed into a slip, but strategically the only thing I can imagine working is if Abi hangs in long enough to get Onosato's head pushed back and rubber-bands him into a pulldown. Low percentage tactic, for sure, but getting anything else to work would just be luckboxing into a win.

[Leoben 126]

40 minutes ago, Sumo Spiffy said:

Nothing about Onosato's game suggests he'd be vulnerable to a henka. The biggest improvement he's made from the time he hit juryo to now is probably his control. If Abi hits him with his normal strategy, there's always a slight chance he could get pushed into a slip, but strategically the only thing I can imagine working is if Abi hangs in long enough to get Onosato's head pushed back and rubber-bands him into a pulldown. Low percentage tactic, for sure, but getting anything else to work would just be luckboxing into a win.

Was going to write more or less the same thing. The only tactic I can see working for Abi is hitting a strong nodowa, releasing fast and converting that into a pull down. I don't think a henka is going to do it, Onosato is too fast and he doesn't overextend at the tachiai because he doesn't need to lean very far forward to output power. I don't even know if Abi has the strength to be able to push him upright, he very well may be the strongest rikishi in the division with Terunofuji being in the state he is.

[Asashosakari 18,959]

I think inashi sometime after the tachiai may work for Abi, too, but he'd have to goad Onosato into chasing him and survive long enough to not just get a slightly delayed version of the Ura treatment. Abi definitely does have the chops to disappear into thin air at the tawara, and perhaps make Onosato run himself out.

Edited May 25 by Asashosakari

[Sumo Spiffy 544]

30 minutes ago, Leoben said:

Was going to write more or less the same thing. The only tactic I can see working for Abi is hitting a strong nodowa, releasing fast and converting that into a pull down. I don't think a henka is going to do it, Onosato is too fast and he doesn't overextend at the tachiai because he doesn't need to lean very far forward to output power. I don't even know if Abi has the strength to be able to push him upright, he very well may be the strongest rikishi in the division with Terunofuji being in the state he is.

Abi tried that last basho against Takerufuji and got blown off the dohyo. (Metaphorically, at least, but Takeru could have made it literal.) Onosato doesn't bring quite the same level of force as Takeru, but it's close enough that he'll run through a single shot to the neck. Abi's gotta be able to hang in long enough to let the push set up a defensive move, whether it's a stepback or an inashi like Asashosakari suggested. He's not going to win if Onosato is largely free to come at him—he could spin off and make some guys miss, but that's where Onosato has learned that he has the power and footwork to win without overcommitting to an attack.

[Yarimotsu 548]

5 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

3. Abi (see above, but less so. The added twist is that for a lot of us his first yusho was somewhat tainted by the henka he pulled on Takayasu in the play-off)

Could you even imagine if Abi pulled off 3 henkas today...

[Reonito 1,382]

3 minutes ago, Yarimotsu said:

Could you even imagine if Abi pulled off 3 henkas today...

 

[Gospodin 187]

17 hours ago, Leoben said:

Praying for Abi tomorrow to add some excitement to this tournament.

With all due respect for Abi and his ability, I just cannot bring myself to root for him. The simple reason is his "brand" of nodowa. It is fine with me to use that technique to bring your opponent into an upright position, but using it as (pseudo-) punch almost like what you get tought in the military - no. Same for kachiage, btw. Just my humble opinion.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,261]

Everyone is all Abi’s tsuppari this and Abi’s nodowa that but what if he just goes nuts and utcharis Onosato? Put those long legs to use…

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

This thread suddenly turned really technical...

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

Any word on sansho?

[rhyen 1,823]

2 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Any word on sansho?

Voting right now, will announced within the hour?

[Jakusotsu 5,869]

I hope Hiradoumi will get the shukun-sho.

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

2 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

I hope Hiradoumi will get the shukun-sho.

What for?

 

[Katooshu 3,179]

Maybe for beating the leader and KK as a high maegashira? He didn't end up getting it though.................announcement just made:

Gino-sho: Onosato

Kanto-sho: Shonannoumi (conditional on winning last), Oshoma (conditional on winning last)

Shukun-sho: Onosato, Abi, or Daieisho if they win the yusho

Edited May 26 by Katooshu

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

I don't understand Shonan sansho.

 

[Katooshu 3,179]

There is a bias towards guys who are hot in the first half and were in or leading the yusho race entering the last stage, rather than guys who started rougher and came on at the end. He was the outright leader entering day 12, tied for the lead going into day 13.

Edited May 26 by Katooshu

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

8 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

There is a bias towards guys who are hot in the first half and were in or leading the yusho race entering the last stage, rather than guys who started rougher and came on at the end. He was the outright leader entering day 12, tied for the lead going into day 13.

I never knew we had a "he was a leader once" sansho. 

[Katooshu 3,179]

We don't, they just factor it into their decisions. Mita was leader too but isn't getting one.

[Akinomaki 40,030]

I think we haven't mentioned it yet, Onosato is on the way to the fastest yusho ever after debut in his 7th basho - manageable because he had the start at ms10TD. Takerufuji from maezumo did in in 10, Wajima from ms60TD in 15 basho. o

Edited May 26 by Akinomaki

[Katooshu 3,179]

Akua is such a troll, 3 absolutely deliberate matta. Glad he lost to Hakuoho that time 

Edited May 26 by Katooshu

[rhyen 1,823]

Just now, Katooshu said:

Akua is such a troll, 3 absolutely deliberate matta. Glad he lost to Hakuoho that time 

Include a slap on the 2nd one, trying to enrage Hakuoho?

the 3 makushita prior won, so double promotion for Nihonoseki heya?

[Katooshu 3,179]

An 11-4 (Kagayaki) is only the 5th strongest record in juryo. That can't be too common.

Edited May 26 by Katooshu

[Akinomaki 40,030]

While Onokatsu really gave it his all - with the goal to get to the top of juryo next basho, Endo had absolutely no motivation after Wakatakakage had already decided the yusho. Turning back to the depressed Endo that dropped to juryo, after showing brilliant sumo this basho so far.

[Akinomaki 40,030]

I hadn't noticed that the sandanme play-off was an all Mongolian event. Jonokuchi had also one member, but Seihakuho lost - the gyoji encouragement shout of yoi, hakke-yoi sometimes sounded a bit similar to his shikona - could be distracting.