Natsu 2024 discussion (results)

[nelimw 80]

6 hours ago, dingo said:

Mitakeumi surprised me by looking as if his leg was never hurt at all. Gotta wonder if he'll continue with the basho in hope of a few more wins and a higher rank or decide to heal. Provided there is anything requiring healing. 

Genuine question: Is there a banned substance list in Sumo like there is in other sports? Do they get drug tested for PED's and other substances? My jaw dropped when I saw Mitakeumi move like that after hobbling around the ring for the past 3 days. 

[Fashiritētā 169]

6 minutes ago, nelimw said:

Genuine question: Is there a banned substance list in Sumo like there is in other sports? Do they get drug tested for PED's and other substances? My jaw dropped when I saw Mitakeumi move like that after hobbling around the ring for the past 3 days. 

Will power and desire to get his 8 wins , and yeah, banned substance list?

Personally , i dont see EPO or Steroids as being useful in Sumo, just my 2 cents.

 

[Tochinofuji 372]

4 minutes ago, Fashiritētā said:

Will power and desire to get his 8 wins , and yeah, banned substance list?

Personally , i dont see EPO or Steroids as being useful in Sumo, just my 2 cents.

 

To my knowledge there is no banned substances list other than those drugs that are illegal in Japan. Steroids are not generally illegal in country is my understanding. More knowledgeable members may chime in there. 

While EPO and blood doping would not be useful, anabolic steorids certainly would be and have long been rumoured to be used by various rikishi of different generations. Different agents can increase both mass and strength, all of which is helpful. Additionally, there were allegations of insulin being used in a similar fashion in at least one case (which is also used in bodybuilding). 

Moreover, the recovery benefits from steroids shouldn't be underestimated. Being able to train harder and recovery better (from training and from injuries) is a massive advantage. 

Edited May 22 by Tochinofuji

[Jakusotsu 5,815]

1 hour ago, nelimw said:

Genuine question: Is there a banned substance list in Sumo like there is in other sports?

Let me put it that way: you don't really believe Takanohana bulked up like he did by chanko alone, do you?

[Yamanashi 3,725]

Chiyoshoma has turned Japanese (though w/o joining the Vapors).  Usually that precedes a kyujo or fall down the banzuke and then intai/kabu.

Instead, he's sticking around the leaderboard in Juryo (9-2), which I did not expect.  His wins include 7 yorikiri, and the only henka in his matches was by Endo.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

7 hours ago, rokudenashi said:

 

Another 11-4 playoff looks increasingly likely

I don't think so. Somebody wll get 12 wins - for example, Onosato has no difficult opponents left. 

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

1 hour ago, Tochinofuji said:

To my knowledge there is no banned substances list other than those drugs that are illegal in Japan. Steroids are not generally illegal in country is my understanding.

Apparently, they are still difficult to get. 

What else could they use - HGH?

[Yamanashi 3,725]

I'm looking forward to the possible cringe scenario in Futagoyamaheya's Sumo Food videos, if Roga and Nabatame are both in Juryo.

[Reonito 1,335]

13 hours ago, rhyen said:

Kusano vs Fujiseuin for the makushita yusho

Kusano would have been Ms15TD under the old rules, correct? So this is our first demo of what happens when slot in someone of that caliber at the bottom of Makushita...

[nelimw 80]

1 hour ago, Tochinofuji said:

Moreover, the recovery benefits from steroids shouldn't be underestimated. Being able to train harder and recovery better (from training and from injuries) is a massive advantage. 

This is more along the lines of my question. When I saw Mita explode at the tachi-ai my first thought was "DAAAAAANG what did they give this man?!" 

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

9 minutes ago, Yamanashi said:

I'm looking forward to the possible cringe scenario in Futagoyamaheya's Sumo Food videos, if Roga and Nabatame are both in Juryo.

They will have an episode dedicated to Nabatame getting his private room.

Then, he will pretty much disappear.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

4 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Kusano would have been Ms15TD under the old rules, correct? So this is our first demo of what happens when slot in someone of that caliber at the bottom of Makushita...

Ms60TD yusho is the cheapest possible kind. He got to 6-0 without facing anybody ranked higher than Ms40.

[Tochinofuji 372]

17 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Apparently, they are still difficult to get. 

What else could they use - HGH?

I'd have to imagine HGH would be harder to acquire and more expensive than the more run of the mill options like testosterone, dianabol, winstrol, etc., but couldn't say. 

Things like insulin for mass gain and stimulants spring to mind, but given Japan's drug laws I'd imagine a lot of stimulants would be illegal outright. Things like peptides seem to be all the rage among the hobby fitness crowd these days, so those might also make the rounds (though wouldn't be nearly as effective). 

[Reonito 1,335]

44 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Ms60TD yusho is the cheapest possible kind. He got to 6-0 without facing anybody ranked higher than Ms40.

I'm sure he'd rather be fighting at Ms15TD with a chance to tie Hakuoho's record of immediate juryo promotion. Though if he wins out, he'll be in good company with a shot of making his sekitori debut at Aki.

Edited May 22 by Reonito

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

Just now, Reonito said:

I'm sure he'd rather be fighting at Ms15TD with a chance to tie Hakuoho's record of immediate juryo promotion.

7-0 from Ms60 would get him to Ms5-Ms8 range. 5-2 (for example) from Ms15 would bring him a bit lower, and it can be argued that achieving it could be harder.

[Reonito 1,335]

2 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

7-0 from Ms60 would get him to Ms5-Ms8 range. 5-2 (for example) from Ms15 would bring him a bit lower, and it can be argued that achieving it could be harder.

Who knows, if he's too good for Makushita he might have had a good chance of going 7-0 at Ms15. I think, unless he gets very lucky, he'll be ranked below the "invisible line" even with a 7-0 from Ms60, so he'd need another 7-0 to get promoted.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

12 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Who knows, if he's too good for Makushita he might have had a good chance of going 7-0 at Ms15. I think, unless he gets very lucky, he'll be ranked below the "invisible line" even with a 7-0 from Ms60, so he'd need another 7-0 to get promoted.

Onokatsu (who is doing more than fine in Juryo now) started with a 5-2 and needed another 2 basho to become sekitori. I think Kusano should be quite happy with his luck (if he beats Fujiseiun, of course).

[Hakuryuho 334]

3 hours ago, Tochinofuji said:

To my knowledge there is no banned substances list other than those drugs that are illegal in Japan. Steroids are not generally illegal in country is my understanding. More knowledgeable members may chime in there. 

While EPO and blood doping would not be useful, anabolic steorids certainly would be and have long been rumoured to be used by various rikishi of different generations. Different agents can increase both mass and strength, all of which is helpful. Additionally, there were allegations of insulin being used in a similar fashion in at least one case (which is also used in bodybuilding). 

Moreover, the recovery benefits from steroids shouldn't be underestimated. Being able to train harder and recovery better (from training and from injuries) is a massive advantage. 

Exactly that.

 There are huge benefits with taking steroids when it comes to combat sports, hence so many fighters etc. are on PEDs.

Not only can you increase muscle mass by taking various steroids like of course testosterone as a base, Deca/NPP, Equipoise, Primo/Masteron, Ment, Anavar and Trenbolone.
There are also steroids specifically used for strength gains like again Tren, Superdrol, Anadrol, Turinabol, Dbol, Stanozolol, Halotestin and the other compounds mentioned above of course also provide strength gains as your muscle mass increases.

Also, things like TB500 (good for inflammation reduction and overall speed of recovery) and BPC-157 (useful for healing tendon injuries) are rather useful for speeding up recovery.
Moreover, IUs of HGH and Insulin also can help increase recovery rate.

All in all, almost all steroids help in increasing mass, strength and recovery, some more than others, some more focused on one aspect, so steroid use is certainly a huge advantage for sumo wrestlers.

Of course, you just have to be smart about it. Running 10g of gear a week won't magically make a Chiyonofuji out of a Tohakuryu ;) 

[Oskanohana 227]

7 hours ago, Tochinofuji said:

Returning to a theme raised last basho by @Yarimotsu, now THAT was a Houshouryu throw that ought to have been called a kakenage! 

We should organize the KCD (Kimarite Complaints Department). Rare is the day I don't have a serious complain about one. That was in fact a beautiful kakenage. Now, Hoshoryu still has the pending subject of winning moving forward. For sure next basho, or maybe in September like bad students...

[Morty 1,480]

7 hours ago, nelimw said:

Genuine question: Is there a banned substance list in Sumo like there is in other sports? Do they get drug tested for PED's and other substances? My jaw dropped when I saw Mitakeumi move like that after hobbling around the ring for the past 3 days. 

While I'm not discounting the possibilities of PEDs in sumo, in this case it's just as likely to be a high dose of pain killers. Athletes use them all the time to be able to play through minor injuries. And if you watch the things pro-wrestlers are able to do to themselves while carrying major injuries, it's usually because of large amounts of pain pills. You pay for it later, but for a short duration sport like sumo, one quick injection before the bout could get you through it

[Tochinofuji 372]

2 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

We should organize the KCD (Kimarite Complaints Department). Rare is the day I don't have a serious complain about one. That was in fact a beautiful kakenage. Now, Hoshoryu still has the pending subject of winning moving forward. For sure next basho, or maybe in September like bad students...

Now that is a department I'd be happy to frequent! 

[Yarimotsu 522]

6 hours ago, Oskanohana said:

We should organize the KCD (Kimarite Complaints Department). Rare is the day I don't have a serious complain about one. That was in fact a beautiful kakenage. Now, Hoshoryu still has the pending subject of winning moving forward. For sure next basho, or maybe in September like bad students...

I've seen a lot of yorikiri that surely deserved a more explosive moniker. There's definitely some grounds for complaint each day.

[dingo 1,160]

6 hours ago, Morty said:

While I'm not discounting the possibilities of PEDs in sumo, in this case it's just as likely to be a high dose of pain killers. Athletes use them all the time to be able to play through minor injuries. And if you watch the things pro-wrestlers are able to do to themselves while carrying major injuries, it's usually because of large amounts of pain pills. You pay for it later, but for a short duration sport like sumo, one quick injection before the bout could get you through it

Exactly. Time to time people on this forum have translated rikishi/oyakata quotes from the media where they talk about going on the dohyo on painkillers. Last example was Takerufuji. 

[rhyen 1,809]

Onokatsu wins,

Endo henkas,

Wakatakakage also wins as the Juryo leaderboard stays that same.

 

Edited May 23 by rhyen

[Akinomaki 39,789]

They are taking the new guys in the yusho hunt seriously - Shonannoumi gets Kotozakura and Oshoma a sekiwake - Wakamotoharu is maybe no challenge at the moment though. Takarafuji is deemed no threat (expected to lose today) - he only gets a now 6-5 Kinbozan - 2 other 8-3 meet, Onosato only has Ura, who is no longer a threat.

And Oshoma justified it by a win today.

Edited May 23 by Akinomaki