Hokuseiho Out- Hakuho Demoted - Miyagino-beya Closing

[Seregost 130]

11 hours ago, rhyen said:

Not surprised about Otani, he went 1-6 each time in the upper 1/3 of makushita. Maybe he realised that he can’t hack it.

I won't miss him, for sure

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

11 minutes ago, Seregost said:

I won't miss him, for sure

He was nothing but a big body with a bad attitude.

[Akinomaki 39,763]

On 03/04/2024 at 14:40, Akinomaki said:

Miyagino had a 90-100min. conversation with Isegahama. The new boss told him to go around the country and meet with the families of his deshi

Miyagino has completed the apology tour around the country: "I put my knees together and firmly apologized ... meeting them in person there were many voices of 'gambatte kudasai'" o - no trip to the parents of Seihakuho.

He wants to get more involved in sumo at the heya and is full time coach now, saying he loves sumo o

- he won't leave the NSK without another scandal

Edited May 6 by Akinomaki

[rhyen 1,808]

6 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Miyagino has completed the apology tour around the country: "I put my knees together and firmly apologized ... meeting them in person there were many voices of 'gambatte kudasai'" o - no trip to the parents of Seihakuho.

He wants to get more involved in sumo at the heya and is full time coach now, saying he loves sumo o

- he won't leave the NSK without another scandal

Oh, so that was it was.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

7 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

no trip to the parents of Seihakuho

Speaking of Seihakuho: what it is going to happen to the Mongolian prospect who was training and living at Isegahama waiting for Terunofuji to retire? There will be no foreigner spot for him now...

[Kaitetsu 277]

15 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Speaking of Seihakuho: what it is going to happen to the Mongolian prospect who was training and living at Isegahama waiting for Terunofuji to retire? There will be no foreigner spot for him now...

Oh man i didnt even think about that, he must not be really pleased, either he waits until Miyagino branches out again, or gives up... which idk if he will

[Gurowake 3,915]

1 hour ago, Kaitetsu said:

either he waits until Miyagino branches out again

Possibly terrible prediction: Miyagino-beya will re-form before Terunofuji retires.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

2 hours ago, Kaitetsu said:

Oh man i didnt even think about that, he must not be really pleased, either he waits until Miyagino branches out again, or gives up... which idk if he will

Branching out is expected to happen in 1.5 years, that's too long to wait.

If I were Isegahama with a tiny bit of decency, I would be working hard to find another home for him now. 

Edited May 6 by Bunbukuchagama

[Leoben 121]

Is there any chance they make an exception given the extraordinary circumstances at the stable?

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

13 minutes ago, Leoben said:

Is there any chance they make an exception given the extraordinary circumstances at the stable?

There IS already an exception: Seihakuho is allowed to share a heya with Terunofuji after merger. 

There is no way they would allow Isegahama to have 3 foreign rikishi (or 2 after Teru's retirement). 

[Tetsuba 32]

4 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

There IS already an exception: Seihakuho is allowed to share a heya with Terunofuji after merger. 

There is no way they would allow Isegahama to have 3 foreign rikishi (or 2 after Teru's retirement). 

This is not an exception, the 1-foreigner-per-heya rule is for new rikishi, not those ending up in a heya, with a foreigner already, after a merger.
That's how some heya can have several foreign-born rikishi, like Kataonami.
If Isegahama merged with another stable with a foreign rikishi, like Oshima-beya, it would end up with 3 foreign-born rikishis.

[Godango 956]

14 minutes ago, Tetsuba said:

This is not an exception, the 1-foreigner-per-heya rule is for new rikishi, not those ending up in a heya, with a foreigner already, after a merger.
That's how some heya can have several foreign-born rikishi, like Kataonami.
If Isegahama merged with another stable with a foreign rikishi, like Oshima-beya, it would end up with 3 foreign-born rikishis.

I believe @Bunbukuchagama was stating that in order to have a new foreign rikishi join, a stable would need to have zero foreign rikishi, regardless of whether existing foreign rikishi were inherited or started with the stable.

For example, after Tochinoshin's retirement, Aoiyama is now the only foreign rikishi in Kasugano-beya. Kasugano-beya can not add a new foreign rikishi, despite the fact that Aoiyama joined via merger (hence why he and Tochinoshin could be there at the same time). This is what is relevant to Isegahama-beya's Mongolian prospect.

But yes, theoretically there is no limit to how many foreign rikishi a heya could inherit via merger. 

Edited May 7 by Godango

[Tetsuba 32]

12 minutes ago, Godango said:

I believe @Bunbukuchagama was stating that in order to have a new foreign rikishi join, a stable would need to have zero foreign rikishi, regardless of whether existing foreign rikishi were inherited or started with the stable.

For example, after Tochinoshin's retirement, Aoiyama is now the only foreign rikishi in Kasugano-beya. Kasugano-beya can not add a new foreign rikishi, despite the fact that Aoiyama joined via merger (hence why he and Tochinoshin could be there at the same time). This is what is relevant to Isegahama-beya's Mongolian prospect.

But yes, theoretically there is no limit to how many foreign rikishi a heya could inherit via merger. 

Indeed. Here though, Seihakuho is a merger case, as he joined Miyagino before the merger and fought in maezumo in March 2023 for his original stable.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

1 hour ago, Tetsuba said:

This is not an exception, the 1-foreigner-per-heya rule is for new rikishi, not those ending up in a heya, with a foreigner already, after a merger.
That's how some heya can have several foreign-born rikishi, like Kataonami.
If Isegahama merged with another stable with a foreign rikishi, like Oshima-beya, it would end up with 3 foreign-born rikishis.

I know. What I mean is: there is already an exception allowing for multiple rikishi in case of merger - but it wouldn't help our poor Mongolian guy.

Edited May 7 by Bunbukuchagama

[Asashosakari 18,784]

6 hours ago, Leoben said:

Is there any chance they make an exception given the extraordinary circumstances at the stable?

Notwithstanding one of the usual suspects saying "no way", of course there's a chance. It's simply unknowable at this time what sort of exemptions from the normal rules the highly unusual Isegahama-Miyagino situation might result in.

[Godango 956]

7 hours ago, Tetsuba said:

Indeed. Here though, Seihakuho is a merger case, as he joined Miyagino before the merger and fought in maezumo in March 2023 for his original stable.

Communication breakdown, I think we're saying the same thing. Seihakuho will be fine, the Isegahama Mongolian-in-waiting may be impacted.

[Akinomaki 39,763]

Maybe Ochil has already left the heya, he isn't mentioned in recent articles. The Isegahama.net site has changed recently, to one only to be accessed in Japan, so it seems - maybe a few other countries as well - and the tokaiisegahama.com site that listed Ochil as part of the heya is now forbidden to the ordinary public.

When will they update the rikishi and member list - and will they list the acquired ones like their own? Amanofuji is the latest addition

[Katooshu 3,132]

I hope he gets a spot somewhere. That's what, 3 or 4 years he's put in now, and by many accounts is already performing at a sekitori level in training.

Edited May 9 by Katooshu

[rhyen 1,808]

4 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Maybe Ochil has already left the heya, he isn't mentioned in recent articles. The Isegahama.net site has changed recently, to one only to be accessed in Japan, so it seems - maybe a few other countries as well - and the tokaiisegahama.com site that listed Ochil as part of the heya is now forbidden to the ordinary public.

When will they update the rikishi and member list - and will they list the acquired ones like their own? Amanofuji is the latest addition

He was still training there as of this past week. 

[rhyen 1,808]

What is Terunofuji wins his 10th and retires to open his own heya? Can he take Ochil with him?

[Akinomaki 39,763]

7 hours ago, rhyen said:

What is Terunofuji wins his 10th and retires to open his own heya? Can he take Ochil with him?

He can, but he has to wait for a year before he can branch out.

[Akinomaki 39,763]

On 06/05/2024 at 09:49, Akinomaki said:

Miyagino has completed the apology tour around the country: "I put my knees together and firmly apologized ... meeting them in person there were many voices of 'gambatte kudasai'" o

I guess he also had to apologize for cutting short the career of many of his deshi. I wonder if Isegahama specifically told him to get rid of at least 5 to relieve the congestion in the heya.

If some Miyagino boys were bullied out, this time Miyagino can't be blamed for it as responsible shisho - but what if as a result Isegahama gets shut down as well?

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

11 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

I guess he also had to apologize for cutting short the career of many of his deshi. I wonder if Isegahama specifically told him to get rid of at least 5 to relieve the congestion in the heya.

If some Miyagino boys were bullied out, this time Miyagino can't be blamed for it as responsible shisho - but what if as a result Isegahama gets shut down as well?

A lot of them wanted to retire immediately, I bet. There is no evidence suggesting they were "bullied out".

[rhyen 1,808]

19 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

I guess he also had to apologize for cutting short the career of many of his deshi. I wonder if Isegahama specifically told him to get rid of at least 5 to relieve the congestion in the heya.

If some Miyagino boys were bullied out, this time Miyagino can't be blamed for it as responsible shisho - but what if as a result Isegahama gets shut down as well?

Could it be house clearing? Getting rid of the whistleblowers Hokuseiho’s victims and starting afresh with a more cohesive group?

[Kaitetsu 277]

Just noticed something weird with some ex-Miyagino men, other than the ones that are fully kyujo this basho, Tenshoho, Matsui and Onokura were participating this basho, but sat out for a couple days, but then came back in, maybe something behind the curtains happening or just kyujo due to the fear of Hakuoho's COVID spreading? Doesn't really make sense as the three came back a couple days later, and all kyujo were on different days.