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Hokuseiho Out- Hakuho Demoted - Miyagino-beya Closing

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26 minutes ago, rhyen said:

First job that he gets kicks him out of the heya?

I think it makes a lot of sense. It's a powerful symbolic gesture and it will be good PR for Miyagino himself.

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Hakuho not being in the heya enough was the problem to begin with! (Laughing...)

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Are they making him apologise to the parents of kids who been bullied at his heya?

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On 30/03/2024 at 02:26, Seiyashi said:

I think it makes sense if you come at it from this angle: the NSK knows that Hakuhō's their golden goose in terms of individual brand power (e.g. look at that spanking brand new yūshō parade car), but it's also precisely because of the commitments from this brand power (events, talkshows, meeting sponsors etc) that caused his lack of supervision. And Hakuhō himself also knows it that he's caught dead to rights here, because Hokuseihō's bullying was some of the longest and worst that we've heard of for a while. The NSK doesn't want to kill the golden goose but they also can't let it slide for two reasons - one of public image (they can't be seen to be doing nothing) and another of making sure Hakuhō knows they can do something to him - so this. It really is the least worst option for both parties, all things considered, and Hakuhō got off relatively lightly.

We can even simplify it further: sports live and die with the casual fans, not the hardcores. Casual fans might spend less per person, but there are so many more they'll bring in more money overall, and they also bring the eyeballs that attract sponsors. And, as several people have noted, casual fans are generally "Hakuho = GOAT I will not take questions at this time". The only way they could boot him after one screw-up without it undercutting the sport as a whole (and making him look like a metaphorical martyr) is if he did something truly, uniquely awful, and disregarding abuse simply isn't that.

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1 hour ago, RabidJohn said:

Are they making him apologise to the parents of kids who been bullied at his heya?

His new boss does, maybe it comes from just Isegahama

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To use a German proverb: Isegahama doesn't have all pickets on his fence anymore.

They want Hakuho out, they just don't have the balls to fire him. Make his life hell until he quits.

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3 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Are they making him apologise to the parents of kids who been bullied at his heya?

I sure hope Hakuho had enough situational awareness to apologize to those parents on his own already. This Isegahama-mandated tour appears to be more of a "sorry that my failings have adversely affected your son as collateral damage, but I'll gambarize for him from now on" thing for every other Miyagino-beya member.

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5 hours ago, RabidJohn said:

Are they making him apologise to the parents of kids who been bullied at his heya?

Not only the victims' parents, everyone's. 

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3 hours ago, Benihana said:

To use a German proverb: Isegahama doesn't have all pickets on his fence anymore.

They want Hakuho out, they just don't have the balls to fire him. Make his life hell until he quits.

Oh no! I have to apologize for screwing up and not fulfilling my duties properly?!

This is pure hell, they hate me!

(Sigh...)

 

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12 hours ago, Benihana said:

To use a German proverb: Isegahama doesn't have all pickets on his fence anymore.

They want Hakuho out, they just don't have the balls to fire him. Make his life hell until he quits.

Hakuho signed this pledge thing. And he obviously broke all or part of it.

If the JSA wanted Hakuho out of sumo, wouldn't he be out of sumo by now? I was half-expecting for them to call for his resignations papers when they asked for Hokuseiho's.

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4 hours ago, Miyam said:

Hakuho signed this pledge thing. And he obviously broke all or part of it. 

Today Ishinriki commented on it, mentioning that the contract Hakuho signed meant: "If you stick to this, we let you have a heya" - so he won't gets thrown out, but he doesn't fulfil their conditions any more to own a heya. Ishinriki also thinks that next year July is the chance for a revival, but only if Hakuho is deemed reliable then - any further problem in the meantime and he's out. http://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/articles/-/297831

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I interpret that as that he'll be Isegahama's honorary, high class tsukebito until July and they might give him a reprieve if he stays in line.

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So, basically, split them again when Isegehama reaches retirement.

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Watching the latest Takatoriki Channel video, in which he claims that Takanohana confided to him that Hakuho was the real "mastermind" behind the whole Harumafuji debacle, and the Kyokai chose to ax Harumafuji and save Hakuho, when in fact both were guilty.

But the most interesting tidbit as related to this thread was that Terunofuji detests Hakuho. If that's really the case, it's interesting that Isegahama Oyakata would even accept Miyagino & Co. into the fold in the first place, and in any case it will certainly be interesting to watch this dynamic play out over the coming months. 

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1 hour ago, Kaninoyama said:

Watching the latest Takatoriki Channel video, in which he claims that Takanohana confided to him that Hakuho was the real "mastermind" behind the whole Harumafuji debacle, and the Kyokai chose to ax Harumafuji and save Hakuho, when in fact both were guilty.

But the most interesting tidbit as related to this thread was that Terunofuji detests Hakuho. If that's really the case, it's interesting that Isegahama Oyakata would even accept Miyagino & Co. into the fold in the first place, and in any case it will certainly be interesting to watch this dynamic play out over the coming months. 

But did Isegahama even have a choice?

Once the decision was made to shut down Miyagino without spreading rikishi over several heya, Isegahama pretty much remained as only option where ex-Miyagino rikishi wouldn't be a majority... and possibly even more importantly, highest ranked rikishi in stable.

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1 hour ago, Ripe said:

But did Isegahama even have a choice?

I mean it's his own stable. I assume he had the option of saying no, just as ex-Kaio ultimately did, after initially being rumored to be the one who would accept Miyagino & Co.

But whether he was heavily pressured by the Kyokai and/or monies exchanged hands under the table in order for this to happen is a separate question I don't have answers to. 

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4 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Watching the latest Takatoriki Channel video, in which he claims that...

I stopped reading there.

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1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said:

I stopped reading there.

It’s even worse, since it’s a telephone game situation where the original source is Takanohana. It’s like compounded misrepresentations.

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The heya is down, yesterday the official homepage https://miyaginobeya.tokyo/ was still there http://www.sanspo.com/article/20240407-JCWDOEN6QVJDXKUM3GIFDW5TBU/

- an empty link now

But Miyagino-beya still exists on the NSK site, with address - members are the 2 retired ones https://www.sumo.or.jp/ResultRikishiDataSumoBeya/detail/9/

The heya facebook page is unchanged since Jan. 9th - very prominently featuring a happy Hokuseiho on his 22nd birthday https://www.facebook.com/MIYAGiNOBEYA/, Instagram still gives Enho as sekitori https://www.instagram.com/miyagino_beya/. For Twitter the heya uses the account of Hakuho himself, last updated Feb. 19th, before the start of the scandal https://twitter.com/HakuhoSho69

Today is the day to move to Isegahama-beya

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tomorrow the rikishi take part in asageiko at the new heya

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43 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

o 202404070000700-w200_5.jpgo 

tomorrow the rikishi take part in asageiko at the new heya

Satonofuji sizing down Enho?

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7 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

I mean it's his own stable. I assume he had the option of saying no, just as ex-Kaio ultimately did, after initially being rumored to be the one who would accept Miyagino & Co.

But whether he was heavily pressured by the Kyokai and/or monies exchanged hands under the table in order for this to happen is a separate question I don't have answers to. 

Ex-Kaio is not head of ichimon... he might have said no, but I don't think that Isegahama as head of ichimon could do that.

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13 hours ago, Ripe said:

he might have said no, but I don't think that Isegahama as head of ichimon could do that.

Why not? On who's higher authority is Isegahama obligated to accept the entire lot of Miyagino rikishi, along with Miyagino himself? 

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22 hours ago, Jakusotsu said:

I stopped reading there.

You have no idea how much I appreciate this post

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8 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

Why not? On who's higher authority is Isegahama obligated to accept the entire lot of Miyagino rikishi, along with Miyagino himself? 

Obligation as the most senior stablemaster? 

was Kitanoumi the most senior stablemaster in his ichimon when Kise stable was absorbed?

we know that Isegahama absorbed Magaki stable back in 2013 out of obligations to his shared origin with Wakanohana Ii (both of them came from Aomori and reached Yokozuna)

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20 minutes ago, rhyen said:

Obligation as the most senior stablemaster? 

was Kitanoumi the most senior stablemaster in his ichimon when Kise stable was absorbed?

we know that Isegahama absorbed Magaki stable back in 2013 out of obligations to his shared origin with Wakanohana Ii (both of them came from Aomori and reached Yokozuna)

I"m genuinely asking out of curiosity. If that is the case, thank you for the answer. 

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