Hokuseiho Out- Hakuho Demoted - Miyagino-beya Closing

[Akinomaki 40,038]

Shibatayama declared that Miyagino today the the toshiyori general meeting apologized for causing that much trouble. He will continue to be hanamichi guard at the basho. Shibatayama: "He has to silently do the assigned work. There are some tough  parts I guess, we need to have him get over that."

o

Next he went to the Isegahama ichimon general meeting, afterwards staying silent.

A lot of plans, no result there o

Edited March 8 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,038]

5 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

Too soon!
By 25 days if I can still count.

That's tabloid standard

[Akinomaki 40,038]

3 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

Next he went to the Isegahama ichimon general meeting, afterwards staying silent.

A lot of plans, no result there

after the toshiyori meeting

  o

The heya will most likely close after the basho and all members who don't quit will move to another - not yet decided heya. Tamagaki confirmed that he will step down as substitute after the basho, one plan was that another oyakata continues at the heya, but that was put aside. Isegahama meetings will continue to debate it, consulting with the NSK o

After the Isegahama meeting, with Tamagaki

o

[Godango 973]

Got to admit, I wasn't expecting talk of heya closure so soon.

***Pushes chips forward with @Kintamayama***

Edited March 8 by Godango

[Koorifuu 922]

As an ex-Yokozuna, I'm guessing he'd be able to branch out again in the future, if he so desired. But would it even be surprising if "they" came up with an ad hoc rule to determine that those who lose their heya & remain in the system are never entitled to own one again.

Edited March 8 by Koorifuu

[Gurowake 4,012]

58 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

As an ex-Yokozuna, I'm guessing he'd be able to branch out again in the future, if he so desired. But would it even be surprising if "they" came up with an ad hoc rule to determine that those who lose their heya & remain in the system are never entitled to own one again.

If he's still going to be an oyakata, he'll presumably be coaching in whatever heya he ends up attached to, and may very well do a bunch of stuff on behalf of the de jure shisho even if they won't ever let him one again himself.  That's probably even better for him, as he won't have to worry about being held accountable again for what the rikishi do, even if he's more involved with them.

Now if they say he can't have any contact with rikishi or new recruits, then see

 

[Koorifuu 922]

1 hour ago, Gurowake said:

If he's still going to be an oyakata, he'll presumably be coaching in whatever heya he ends up attached to, and may very well do a bunch of stuff on behalf of the de jure shisho even if they won't ever let him one again himself.  That's probably even better for him, as he won't have to worry about being held accountable again for what the rikishi do, even if he's more involved with them.

Now if they say he can't have any contact with rikishi or new recruits, then see

 

Wouldn't it have been easier if Magaki accepted being the heya's figurehead then, and everything else carried on as usual? Unless Ishiura has no interest on being the fall guy for whatever future issues might hit Miyagino OR that was never a realistic option to begin with but more like gaslighting, which has been speculated before.

Edited March 8 by Koorifuu

[Akinomaki 40,038]

43 minutes ago, Koorifuu said:

Wouldn't it have been easier if Magaki accepted being the heya's figurehead then, and everything else carried on as usual? Unless Ishiura has no interest on being the fall guy for whatever future issues might hit Miyagino OR that was never a realistic option to begin with but more like gaslighting, which has been speculated before.

Earlier articles mentioned that the ichimon decided against him, also as substitute, esp. because he still has his mage.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,261]

I wonder too how much his presence at the remote control incident has been adding to that decision. Maybe not enough distance for the decision-makers.

[Benevolance 2,482]

15 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

I wonder too how much his presence at the remote control incident has been adding to that decision. Maybe not enough distance for the decision-makers.

He de-escalated the beating from a champagne bottle to a remote control. Practically a saint. 

[Tochinofuji 375]

1 hour ago, Akinomaki said:

Earlier articles mentioned that the ichimon decided against him, also as substitute, esp. because he still has his mage.

Interesting that the fact that he hasn't had his danpatsushiki yet would play into it, at least to me. Seems to indicate it's more than just purely a symbolic ceremony (though I appreciate image plays a role in it). 

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

19 minutes ago, Tochinofuji said:

Interesting that the fact that he hasn't had his danpatsushiki yet would play into it, at least to me. Seems to indicate it's more than just purely a symbolic ceremony (though I appreciate image plays a role in it). 

They could just say "he lacks experience as an oyakata".

[Asashosakari 18,959]

Personally, I think the mage thing is complete bunk. I'm even doubtful that it was brought up by the ichimon at all (I only recall seeing that claim in tabloid articles), but if it was, it was almost certainly nothing more than a fanciful excuse for a decision that was going to be made either way. We've seen plenty of cases of rikishi retiring directly into heya ownership, and their mage has never been mentioned as being some sort of undesirable feature of a newly-minted shisho.

[Tochinofuji 375]

14 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Personally, I think the mage thing is complete bunk. I'm even doubtful that it was brought up by the ichimon at all (I only recall seeing that claim in tabloid articles), but if it was, it was almost certainly nothing more than a fanciful excuse for a decision that was going to be made either way. We've seen plenty of cases of rikishi retiring directly into heya ownership, and their mage has never been mentioned as being some sort of undesirable feature of a newly-minted shisho.

I suppose I shouldn't put too much stock in it then. Sometimes convenient excuses are just that. 

[Godango 973]

I'm aware I could just google/search this but it's relevant to the topic -- is there any precedent for:

1) Forced heya closure,

2) A shisho once removed eventually becoming shisho again?

[Akinomaki 40,038]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

I think the mage thing is complete bunk. I'm even doubtful that it was brought up by the ichimon at all (I only recall seeing that claim in tabloid articles), but if it was, it was almost certainly nothing more than a fanciful excuse for a decision that was going to be made either way.

Indeed, the mage thing was the usual "related person" tabloid source. Obviously the ichimon didn't want the heya to just go on, with an insider taking over. Tamagaki had been told to coach in a state where there is no Miyagino-beya (any more) o

I also don't believe that Ishiura declined, like Sponichi had reported https://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/news/2024/02/26/kiji/20240226s00005000439000c.html

[Akinomaki 40,038]

8 minutes ago, Godango said:

I'm aware I could just google/search this but it's relevant to the topic -- is there any precedent for:

1) Forced heya closure,

2) A shisho once removed eventually becoming shisho again?

Kise-beya, for 2 years shut down and absorbed by Kitanoumi-beya http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Kabu.aspx?kabu=37

[Asashosakari 18,959]

And for Q1 also Kasugayama-beya and its quasi-successor Nakagawa-beya.

Edited March 8 by Asashosakari

[rokudenashi 296]

I vaguely remember that until the stock swap happened with ex-Chikubayama leaving his san’yo post early, there wasn’t much indication that Ishiura was going to stay with the NSK. Miyagino facilitated that whole deal by all reports, so I can imagine Magaki being seen as not fit to lead the stable simply based on his allegiance and a belief that he would be nothing more than a Medvedev to Miyagino’s Putin, if you will.

 

[rhyen 1,823]

I wonder if this is a subterfuge plan? 
can Hakuho and his deshi move to Oshima-beya (since he has close ties with Kyokutenho who is much older and will retire after a decade?) and then dump the excess deshi on another heya?

[Kaninoyama 1,711]

In a recent video on his YouTube Channel, ex-Takatoriki claimed he had heard through multiple sources that Hokuseiho's abuses weren't limited to within the heya, and that Hakuho had on multiple occasions been forced to pay hush money to keep those incidents swept under the rug. 

And he further speculated, as we have as well on this forum, that the only possible motivation for continuing to be protective of the man-child who brought his house crashing down was that  Hokuseiho must have some kind of spectacular dirt on his former shisho.

 

 

[Kotomiyama 165]

 I recently received a Hakuho's tegata. Now it rests in a cupboard and I wonder if one day will it hang on a wall of my house.

Frow, it is suspended.

[Kintamayama 44,646]

I don’t remember any scandal that resorted in the bringing in of an outside Oyakata to take over a heya, temporarily or not. This in itself is pretty humiliating for Hakuhou. I mean, they could have closed the heya outright like Kise in the past or just punished him with a demotion and a salary cut , but this? Add that to the fact that Hakuhou was treated harshly from day 1 as an oyakata before he even said hello, with the agreement he had to sign, unheard of before too. And what actually happened? One of his deshi was a total douche and bullied his mates, nothing we haven't heard before. And certainly nothing  we will ever hear from  other places. It's clear the Kyokai was after him. He seems to be disliked for whatever reasons by his fellow oyakatas. When he became an oyakata  not a handful of Oyakatas strongly voiced their opinions that he should not be allowed to become one. I also highly doubt Hokuseihou has something on him. He was Hakuhou's first real recruit IIRC and as such, was treated as more than a son, and he fully took advantage of that. Add the fact that Hakuhou seemed busy with many endeavors (The Cup, The Car, The everything that needed some PR) and wasn't around much physically to use the rod, plus his inexperience as a heya owner plus a very young and quick banzuke climber who it turns out was a punk, and you get burned balls.. I don't know how long Hakuhou will last as a clerk at the Kyokai's gift shop. I'm guessing not very long, and I'm guessing the plan is to keep him there for as long as possible. New heya? Won't happen. He is a thorn in the Kyokai's sides. Nothing short of a miracle will keep him there come Christmas. I mean, how long before some serious business opportunity will come his way, Mongolian or otherwise, before he's on his way to the next phase, if it isn't already being discussed as I ramble??

Edited March 9 by Kintamayama

[Akinomaki 40,038]

10 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

I mean, how long before some serious business opportunity will come his way, Mongolian or otherwise, before he's on his way to the next phase, if it isn't already being discussed as I ramble??

He already has several business opportunities in use, both in Mongolia and elsewhere, since he was active - including that restaurant in Hong-Kong.

On 08/02/2017 at 16:05, Akinomaki said:

A renewed Hakuho restarted training on the 2nd - but what is new?

He had only one day of rest after the basho - and there is not much time to train: Hakuho-cup, setsubun activities - a bit of sumo at the Fuji tournament - and now he's in Hong-Kong from the 6th to the 8th for the opening of the 2nd chanko restaurant that he produces -  and then the heya travels to Hawaii from the 11th to the 17th.

I guess he'll focus even more on those other businesses now, but why should he leave the NSK? He can do all this like before while staying there and get the extra salary, waiting till he gets to the better ranks again.

[dingo 1,212]

If the heya really closes that must be a huge setback for Hakuho. Imagine being a dai-yokozuna, the most successful ever, whose heya is taken away. And if there's no clear perspective for him to establish or gain control of another heya, then imagine being a dai-yokozuna who if for the rest of his life relegated to a minor position in the Kyokai. If that is the case, Kintamayama's prediction is bound to be fulfilled at some point.