GTB invitation- March 2024 - Results!

[Kintamayama 45,345]

1 hour ago, Hoshotakamoto said:

you're not going to convince me that "no soup for Ouhou" doesn't rhyme with "no soup for you" or perhaps even "no soup for you two".

That was, of course, the whole point..

[Kintamayama 45,345]

1 hour ago, maglor said:

Yep, and others didn't. I'm too lazy. Period.

Kyushu 2002:

9-6	Onosho	M11	Kotoshoho	7-8
8-7	Okinoumi	M13	Oho	10-5

 

Hatsu 2023:

10-5	Onosho	M8	Oho	4-11

 

Your turn..

 

Edited February 20, 2024 by Kintamayama

[Kintamayama 45,345]

1 hour ago, Tigerboy1966 said:

Well that's me, you, Spiffy and Moti. If we have got this horribly wrong we will at least have some good company on our sinking ship.

I think I worked out why we are wrong. If indeed we are wrong, I now know why.

[Reonito 1,477]

20 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Yep, and others didn't. I'm too lazy. Period.

Kyushu 2002:

9-6	Onosho	M11	Kotoshoho	7-8
8-7	Okinoumi	M13	Oho	10-5

 

Hatsu 2023:

10-5	Onosho	M8	Oho	4-11

 

Your turn..

 

E vs. W matters

[Kintamayama 45,345]

18 hours ago, Reonito said:

E vs. W matters

Exactly what I gathered, after a while. I call it "maime matters."

[#1HENKAFAN 40]

Might be a bit of a nonsequitur but back when I was first getting into sumo there was a general perception outside of these banzuke guessing threads that the east and west ranks were functionally equal and the distinction between them only existed because you could not put 2 people in the same place. Even on first hearing that it didn't make sense to me and I quickly found out how plainly wrong that was when I first tried my hand at GTB. It made me wonder why many people believed that in the first place. Thankfully now that sumo and GTB are both more popular I don't see people claiming such anymore!

Edited February 21, 2024 by #1HENKAFAN

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

1 hour ago, #1HENKAFAN said:

Might be a bit of a nonsequitur but back when I was first getting into sumo there was a general perception outside of these banzuke guessing threads that the east and west ranks were functionally equal and the distinction between them only existed because you could not put 2 people in the same place. Even on first hearing that it didn't make sense to me and I quickly found out how plainly wrong that was when I first tried my hand at GTB. It made me wonder why many people believed that in the first place. Thankfully now that sumo and GTB are both more popular I don't see people claiming such anymore!

They are functionally equal - they both earn the same amount of money with a chance to get promoted with back-to-back yusho :)

[Kachikoshi 36]

On 15/02/2024 at 09:27, Gurowake said:

It might be better to say "has always went behind those already there", to emphasize what the trend is, while recognizing that they can decide to do something different whenever they feel like it.

This has only been true since the early 2000s. Before then it was standard for newly promoted Ozeki to go above kadoban Ozeki. Sometimes newly promoted Ozeki would even be promoted above Ozeki who had earned (weak) kachikoshi in the previous tournament. Here's the last example of this occurring that I could find: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=200009.

IMO it would be better for Kotonowaka to be ranked above Takakeisho next basho. Otherwise we could end up with the bizarre situation where Takakeisho has a better record than Kotonowaka but gets demoted to Sekiwake while Kotonowaka doesn't.

 

[Reonito 1,477]

16 minutes ago, Kachikoshi said:

This has only been true since the early 2000s. Before then it was standard for newly promoted Ozeki to go above kadoban Ozeki. Sometimes newly promoted Ozeki would even be promoted above Ozeki who had earned (weak) kachikoshi in the previous tournament. Here's the last example of this occurring that I could find: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx?b=200009.

IMO it would be better for Kotonowaka to be ranked above Takakeisho next basho. Otherwise we could end up with the bizarre situation where Takakeisho has a better record than Kotonowaka but gets demoted to Sekiwake while Kotonowaka doesn't.

 

Interesting. You're right, it would look weird...has it happened before that two Ozeki go MK and one gets demoted? I'd look but the db is down at the moment.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

5 hours ago, Reonito said:

Interesting. You're right, it would look weird...has it happened before that two Ozeki go MK and one gets demoted? I'd look but the db is down at the moment.

It sure sounds like Shodai and Mitakeumi but uhh ...

[Bunbukuchagama 739]

Well, this is all over the place.

[maglor 122]

so they just hate joi rikishi now, will keep that in mind.

disaster for me, 46(i think)

[Tigerboy1966 1,451]

54 here, I think. Not good but this is likely to be a low-scoring renewal, so should be a safe KK.

[Kajiyanosho 38]

30 points from the joi and.. 9 from the rest

[Wamahada 57]

34 for me, safe MK 

[Reonito 1,477]

57 I think, 28 bullseyes plus Roga on the wrong side of M15. Oho <-> Meisei –4, Ryuden<->Shimazuumi –4, then –10 from M4w to M7e, where I'm guessing a lot of players lost points, and –9 at M15-M17 despite getting the promotions/demotions right.

[Tigerboy1966 1,451]

18 minutes ago, Kajiyanosho said:

30 points from the joi and.. 9 from the rest

These days I read the banzuke from the bottom up. Stops me getting over-excited about my prospects and saves the crushing disappointment. It's the hope that kills you...

[Kaito 296]

57 also. Somehow I haven't heard of better yet, but I'm not gonna bother holding out hope for a top 10. I missed 6 basically obvious points from Ura/Asanoyama and Takayasu/Hokutofuji swaps. My first draft somehow had Hiradoumi>Midorifuji and Onosato>Tsurugisho correct (though still not in the right positions in the latter case), but I went away from those. As always, I'm looking forward to next GTB at this point, so I can apply what I think I've learned, but by the time it actually comes around, I will have forgotten everything.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

4 minutes ago, Kaito said:

57 also. Somehow I haven't heard of better yet, but I'm not gonna bother holding out hope for a top 10. I missed 6 basically obvious points from Ura/Asanoyama and Takayasu/Hokutofuji swaps. My first draft somehow had Hiradoumi>Midorifuji and Onosato>Tsurugisho correct (though still not in the right positions in the latter case), but I went away from those. As always, I'm looking forward to next GTB at this point, so I can apply what I think I've learned, but by the time it actually comes around, I will have forgotten everything.

It seems obvious that the 57 point entries are going to be top 5 material.

[Asashosakari 19,500]

41 here, even my good hunches (Onosato over Tsurugisho) failed to work out because they were wrong en bloc.

[Bunbukuchagama 739]

I should be at 50, if my math is correct. Almost every 50/50 decision went the wrong way for me.

[Kintamayama 45,345]

And here we are, after another round of GTB. Not a high-scoring affair, but the winner had 66 so not too bad. The winner, a first time winner in his 98th basho- Gonzaburow! Congratulations from all of us at the GTB headquarters. 206 players,  26 rookies, 3 of them in the top 20. Unheard of. 

Milestones:

Heriokuno, 120th basho and 8th on the current leaderboard!

Taxinohana - 110th basho

Manatsumai - 110th basho

Torafujii- 100th basho

Kotononami - 100th basho

Shimodahito - 70th basho

another one in the books, thank for playing, special thanks to Andoreasu for keeping the machine running smoothly and to Doitsuyama for being there always..

And now, on with the Ba-show!!

To see how you did. go here:

 

 

Edited February 26, 2024 by Kintamayama

[Asashosakari 19,500]

1 hour ago, Asashosakari said:

41 here, even my good hunches (Onosato over Tsurugisho) failed to work out because they were wrong en bloc.

37 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

Results:

Place	Shikona	Basho	Rank	Correct Guesses	Bulls-eye	Hits	Total Points	Record
98.	Asashosakari	119	14	23	20	3	43	8-7

Hmm. Can somebody else double-check my scoring attempt, please? I've looked over it four times now and I still see 41, but maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees.

Terunofuji (Ye 13-2 Y)   Y    ---                      2
Kirishima (O1e 11-4)     O1   Hoshoryu (O1w 10-4-1)    2+2
Takakeisho (O2w 2-2-11)  O2   Kotonowaka (Se 13-2)     2+2
Daieisho (Sw 9-6)        S    Wakamotoharu (M1e 10-5)  2+2
Abi (M2w 8-7)            K    Asanoyama (M7w 9-3-3)    2+0

Ura (Kw 6-9)             M1   Nishikigi (M5w 8-7)      2+0
Atamifuji (M1w 6-9)      M2   Oho (M11w 10-5)          2+0
Meisei (M9w 9-6)         M3   Takanosho (M12e 10-5)    0+2
Tobizaru (M4e 7-8)       M4   Midorifuji (M2e 5-10)    2+0
Hiradoumi (M8w 8-7)      M5   Gonoyama (M3e 5-10)      0+0
Kinbozan (M6e 7-8)       M6   Onosato (M15w 11-4)      0+0
Tsurugisho (M11e 9-6)    M7   Onosho (M14w 10-5)       0+0
Tamawashi (M10e 8-7)     M8   Takayasu (Ke 2-4-9)      0+2
Hokutofuji (M3w 4-5-6)   M9   Shodai (M4w 4-11)        2+0
Kotoshoho (M14e 9-6)     M10  Mitakeumi (M9e 6-9)      0+2
Ichiyamamoto (M7e 5-10)  M11  Ryuden (M5e 3-12)        2+0
Sadanoumi (M10w 6-9)     M12  Shonannoumi (M6w 4-11)   0+1
Shimazuumi (M17e 9-6)    M13  Churanoumi (M13e 7-8)    0+2
Nishikifuji (J2e 10-5)   M14  Kitanowaka (J3w 10-5)    2+2
Roga (J3e 9-6)           M15  Daiamami (J1e 8-7)       1+0
Myogiryu (M12w 5-10)     M16  Endo (M13w 5-10)         0+1
Takarafuji (M16e 6-9)    M17  ---                      0

(This is definitely what I submitted, I double-checked it against my confirmation mail, too.)

 

Edited February 25, 2024 by Asashosakari

[Kintamayama 45,345]

8 minutes ago, Asashosakari said:

Hmm. Can somebody else double-check my scoring attempt, please? I've looked over it four times now and I still see 41, but maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees.

Myogiryu (M12w 5-10)     M16  Endo (M13w 5-10)         0+1
Takarafuji (M16e 6-9)    M17  ---                      0

(This is definitely what I submitted, I double-checked it against my confirmation mail, too.)

 

I'm on it- I noticed it a few minutes ago in the winning guess- I think Takarafuji and Takerufuji were confused, and Takarafuji was counted as a bulls-eye for everyone and vice versa, so that's your extra 2 points there.. So, we have a monoii- we'll wait till morning. This could definitely affect the yusho..

Edited February 25, 2024 by Kintamayama

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

1 hour ago, Hoshotakamoto said:

It seems obvious that the 57 point entries are going to be top 5 material.

to think I could have just said 12-3 and gone from very wrong to oh so right