Ryoshishokunin 288 Posted January 25, 2024 5 hours ago, Sakura said: I think an issue with Hosh is that it indicates that the shikona is Hosh/or/ryu(u), unless I'm mkstaken, which could be very possible. But I don't mind that much. Mostly: no syllable can end in anything but a vowel or 'n', so all these shortenings which please the western ear (Hak, Hosh, etc.) grate really badly if you know even the basics of Japanese like I do. "Hosho" would be much better if you must shorten. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morning 79 Posted January 25, 2024 Can we use Hoshi instead? Like in ⭐ and Bill and Ted (the German dub). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leoben 139 Posted January 25, 2024 I think I'll just call him nephew 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RabidJohn 1,786 Posted January 25, 2024 I felt for Gonoyama with that almighty slap-down attempt on the thin air where Ura no longer was... Onosato should feel very privileged. Not many shinnyumaku get the opportunity to go for a kinboshi. The top 4 rikishi are all looking pretty solid. I've no idea how these last 3 days are going to shake out. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,477 Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ryoshishokunin said: Mostly: no syllable can end in anything but a vowel or 'n', so all these shortenings which please the western ear (Hak, Hosh, etc.) grate really badly if you know even the basics of Japanese like I do. "Hosho" would be much better if you must shorten. The basics of Japanese is that many vowels are practically mute, Hosh would be the pronunciation of Hoshu and Hoshi is also close to it. Hak is perfect, because Haku would make many emphasize the u, which mostly sounds much worse than Hak. Edited January 25, 2024 by Akinomaki 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Shatterhand is dead 29 Posted January 25, 2024 3 hours ago, sumojoann said: Amazing bout between Atamifuji and Nishikigi. I NEVER would have guessed the result! I did. I was almost 100% certain. The Atamifuji bandwagon is slowing down. But there is still time to accelerate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Shatterhand is dead 29 Posted January 25, 2024 3 hours ago, junsan said: Akua won with the most unsightly, fumbling kakenage. 1/10. business as usual, the next 9 attempt is going to be failed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Shatterhand is dead 29 Posted January 25, 2024 3 hours ago, sumojoann said: Terunofuji sure didn’t look like he’s one step away from retirement! Totally dominated Onosato who looked stunned for a moment as he lay on his back outside the dohyo. I loved that “business as usual” look on Terunofuji’s face afterwards. A great day of sumo! in this match, the only sign of his total wear and tear was his impatient expression, which he almost shouted: "give me the damn envelopes Shonosuke, let me get up already, I can't squat here for five more seconds while you bark my name!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,477 Posted January 25, 2024 Now it's down to the 4 top rikishi, those with 4 losses are out of contention - either Kotonowaka wins or we are down to 3 at 2 losses who still meet, to ensure that we have a 2 loss rikishi on day 14. I think we should prepare ourselves for a yokozuna yusho and no promotion at all this basho - so far he hasn't lost to any of the other 3 he will meet from now on, and once he got so far, it's hard to stop him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terunoshoryu 11 Posted January 25, 2024 26 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: Now it's down to the 4 top rikishi, those with 4 losses are out of contention - either Kotonowaka wins or we are down to 3 at 2 losses who still meet, to ensure that we have a 2 loss rikishi on day 14. I think we should prepare ourselves for a yokozuna yusho and no promotion at all this basho - so far he hasn't lost to any of the other 3 he will meet from now on, and once he got so far, it's hard to stop him. You are right! It is all about Kirishima and Terunofuji now. And since it is now down to this top 4 guys, the paths of the remaining 3 days seems to be drawn already. Or what else shall stop Kirishima now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terunoshoryu 11 Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) Day 13 Terunofuji - Kotonowaka Kirishima - Hoshoryu Day 14 Terunofuji - Hoshoryu Kirishima - Kotonowaka Day 15 Terunofuji - Kirishima Hoshoryu - Kotonowaka Edited January 25, 2024 by Terunoshoryu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,116 Posted January 25, 2024 3 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: Will the universe collapse when Abi and Ichiyamamoto clash tomorrow? Damn, you beat me to it- this is the bout I've been waiting for these last few years! Who cares about the dumb yusho.. 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,116 Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Akinomaki said: I think we should prepare ourselves for a yokozuna yusho and no promotion at all this basho - so far he hasn't lost to any of the other 3 he will meet from now on, and once he got so far, it's hard to stop him. I will respectfully disagree with you. The Terunofuji that never lost to these guys was a different Terunofuji. This Terunofuji will lose tomorrow to the eventual yusho winner Kotonowaka. No one can stop Kotonowaka now. The fact that dad isn't there to watch him is doing wonders for him and relieving him of unnecessary pressure. And even if not, I think Kotonowaka with a 13-2 and no yusho will be promoted.. Edited January 25, 2024 by Kintamayama 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadMeadow 43 Posted January 25, 2024 Terunofuji has only had 1 match this basho against someone even approaching Kotonowaka's level (i.e. Wakamotoharu): and he lost. He has been able to more or less cruise so far. Tomorrow the storm is coming. If Kotonowaka can stay out of his own head... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,969 Posted January 25, 2024 1 hour ago, Akinomaki said: The basics of Japanese is that many vowels are piratically mute, Hosh would be the pronunciation of Hoshu and Hoshi is also close to it. Hak is perfect, because Haku would make many emphasize the u, which mostly sounds much worse than Hak. That's why I would have no quarrel at all with Hosh if Hoshu or Hoshi would be a part of his actual shikona. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,809 Posted January 25, 2024 22 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said: That's why I would have no quarrel at all with Hosh if Hoshu or Hoshi would be a part of his actual shikona. Why not just Hos? As in stronger than a country Hos. @Kintamayama can do a cover video. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,477 Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said: That's why I would have no quarrel at all with Hosh if Hoshu or Hoshi would be a part of his actual shikona. Hoshoryu and ほうしょうりゅう Houshiyouriyuu Edited January 25, 2024 by Akinomaki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jakusotsu 5,969 Posted January 25, 2024 Now I'm not even sure anymore if I made a fool of myself (again)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryoshishokunin 288 Posted January 25, 2024 2 hours ago, Akinomaki said: The basics of Japanese is that many vowels are piratically mute, Hosh would be the pronunciation of Hoshu and Hoshi is also close to it. Hak is perfect, because Haku would make many emphasize the u, which mostly sounds much worse than Hak. That's a whole 'nother kettle of fish, but I'm going to be like Kintamayama here and insist that people just learn how the language works :) 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuBa 76 Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) 10 hours ago, hakutorizakura said: Let's all be thankful that we don't have to call them by their Mongolian names (I mean no disrespect to Mongols, just that their names are a mouthful to pronounce for me - never mind the yobidashi) 9 hours ago, WAKATAKE said: In the US amateur sumo scene, we shorten their names. For example, the current US Sumo Open heavyweight champion is Mendsaikhan Tsogt-Erdene, but we all just call him "Mendee" :). No offense taken, we ourselves tend to shorten the names of our friends and relatives. So for example Terunofuji whose name is Gantulga would be called by his peers as Ganaa, or Hakuho Davaajargal simply Davaa or even as Dagi. Of course strangers would call them by their full names. But there is also an exception. For very revered person it is common to shorten their names to one initial syllable followed by the designation. For example, there was a famous historian and linguist called Rinchin, who is still very much revered among Mongols. So if I were to mention him and show my respect I would call him Ri Bagsh, meaning Ri Teacher. Hakuho’s father whose name is Moenkbat called by Mongols non other then Moe Avarga, Moe Champion. So Hosh totally fine with me as well as Hak and Kak. May be some day Hakuho would be called by some of us as Da Avarga. Edited January 25, 2024 by BuBa 8 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seregost 132 Posted January 25, 2024 (edited) Not sure of this, but I think Tomokaze has proved that wind can move oceans, defeating Mitakeumi, Shonnanoumi, Shimazuumi and Hiradoumi in this basho despite being already makekoshi Edited January 25, 2024 by Seregost 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,052 Posted January 25, 2024 The yusho is down to the top 4 rikishi who will undoubtedly all face each other over the last 3 days. Given this, the winning score will be at least 12, as someone will have to get at least 2 wins. The only way the Yusho score will be 12 will be due to a 3-way tie and any 3 rikishi among the 4 might compose the tie; either Kotonowaka goes 0-3 and the rest 2-1 so the 3 currently at 10 finish with 12, or Kotonowaka finishes 1-2 and no one finishes 3-0 which requires two rikishi to go 2-1 to balance things out, and it could be any 2 of the 3 currently at 10 wins. If the Yusho score is 13 and Kotonowaka doesn't have that score, there will not be a playoff, as only one of the rikishi with 10 wins now can get 13. If Kotonowaka scores 13, then he still might tie with a 3-0 rikishi currently with 10 wins. And obviously if the Yusho score is 14 it's Kotonowaka only in the lead. Kirishima might still get 13 wins without the Yusho or a playoff loss if his only loss is to Kotonowaka who goes 3-0, which probably is still enough for Kirishima's promotion, though I wouldn't say it would guarantee it. A 13 win yusho-doten should guarantee it, while any Yusho obviously guarantees it. 12 wins without a playoff win is probably not enough, but will at least continue his run such that any 12+win Yusho or 13 win result in Haru would lead to a good chance of being promoted. Kotonowaka gets promoted without a problem with 13 wins or with a 12-win Yusho. 12 wins without the Yusho might still be enough given his very consistent recent history. 11 wins means he'll try again next basho with a lower main target. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hakutorizakura 629 Posted January 25, 2024 32 minutes ago, BuBa said: :). No offense taken, we ourselves tend to shorten the names of our friends and relatives. So for example Terunofuji whose name is Gantulga would be called by his peers as Ganaa, or Hakuho Davaajargal simply Davaa or even as Dagi. Of course strangers would call them by their full names. But there is also an exception. For very revered person it is common to shorten their names to one initial syllable followed by the designation. For example, there was a famous historian and linguist called Rinchin, who is still very much revered among Mongols. So if I were to mention him and show my respect I would call him Ri Bagsh, meaning Ri Teacher. Hakuho’s father whose name is Moenkbat called by Mongols non other then Moe Avarga, Moe Champion. So Hosh totally fine with me as well as Hak and Kak. May be some day Hakuho would be called by some of us as Da Avarga. Out of reacts, but thanks for the explanation. Very interesting! I had no idea how the language works, maybe I should start a duolingo lesson Interesting that you also use designation/honorific, and place it after the name, like some other languages in the region (incl. Japanese). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gurowake 4,052 Posted January 25, 2024 7 hours ago, Jakusotsu said: Will the universe collapse when Abi and Ichiyamamoto clash tomorrow? Could you explain this to the unenlightened? Is it a Hakuho vs. Ikioi type thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites