Tochinoshin activities

[Akinomaki 39,476]

Looks similar - not just till the To, also noshi - and here side by side the topics are even easier to mix-up. Tochi for his entrepreneur activities needs a separate thread.

On 20/06/2023 at 00:06, Kintamayama said:

He will be going into business ("Royal Georgia"), importing Georgian goods (wine, honey). "There are a lot of Georgian foodstuffs and drinks that are really healthy. I want to make them famous in Japan

His business Royal Georgia is an incorporated public company registered Oct 2021 https://salesnow.jp/db/companies/1010601060093

The homepage shows it is run by one Emi Dodo 百々英美 (or Momo, or ???) https://royalgeorgia.official.ec/law - the woman he has a child with?

Twitter https://twitter.com/royal__georgia

The business is for marketing his wine GEORGIAN - produced by organic farming, not among the wines of a shop specializing in Georgian wine https://kakuida-wine.com/ (so he created a special, simple brand for Japan) and the company is not on the list of importers of Georgian wine of the National Wine Agency of Georgia https://www.georgianwine.jp/importers/

On 04/12/2023 at 13:53, Akinomaki said:

In November Tochinoshin was made sommelier d'honneur by the Japan sommelier association https://www.sommelier.jp/topics/view/sommelierdhonneur_20231114

He plans to have his wine on sale at his danpatsushiki http://hochi.news/articles/20231204-OHT1T51103.html?page=1

Hochi shimbun has his wine as a present for 2 readers this month, among other presents - a Kisi 2019 white wine http://hochi.news/articles/20231207-OHT1T51107.html?page=1

Tochi as guest at the Hotel Continental Fuchu in June with 2 of his wines, a Kisi and a red one, a Saperavi https://www.hotel-continental.co.jp/news/specialguest/

[Akinomaki 39,476]

An interview by tabloid Nikkan Gendai

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a few glimpses:

- I'll live in Japan all the time. ... Also after leaving the NSK, I'll continue the relationship with oyakata and okamisan.

- I divorced my wife 5 years ago and we are on bad terms. I met my daughter only 2 times so far, when I returned after (Corona related) 4 years again last autumn, I was not allowed to meet her.

Remarried, he's running the company with his new wife, a one year older Japanese woman

On 11/12/2023 at 03:32, Akinomaki said:

The homepage shows it is run by one Emi Dodo 百々英美 (or Momo, or ???) https://royalgeorgia.official.ec/law - the woman he has a child with?

their first son ハレバ (Hareba? - from his grandfather) was born last April, he wants to have him do some sport in the future - at 8 months he's 78cm, 12kg

The family lives in an apartment house in Tokyo together with a poodle and a wolf-dog

Edited January 29 by Akinomaki

[Seiyashi 4,068]

On 29/01/2024 at 17:44, Akinomaki said:

- I divorced my wife 5 years ago and we are on bad terms. I met my daughter only 2 times so far, when I returned after (Corona related) 4 years again last autumn, I was not allowed to meet her.

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Corona did a number on many relationships, and enforced LDR is painful.

[dingo 1,100]

On 11/12/2023 at 04:32, Akinomaki said:

Tochi as guest at the Hotel Continental Fuchu in June with 2 of his wines, a Kisi and a red one, a Saperavi https://www.hotel-continental.co.jp/news/specialguest/

The guy in green (a sommelier?) doesn't seem too impressed 

Still, hope his business goes well. 

[Benihana 1,899]

Is there any way to get my hands on that wine in Germany?

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,244]

30 minutes ago, Benihana said:

Is there any way to get my hands on that wine in Germany?

I would surely bet its just a 'private label' wine, a wine that is non-exclusively sold under other labels as well. He is probably not allowed to sell it outside of Japan to be honest, not that a $40 Georgian wine would do well in the middle of Europe anyway.

Something like this would probably be really close http://grw.ge/details.php?id=13

But the point of private label is you're not gonna find out which one it actually is.

Edited February 10 by Tsuchinoninjin

[Benihana 1,899]

3 minutes ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

I would surely bet its just a 'private label' wine, a wine that is non-exclusively sold under other labels as well. He is probably not allowed to sell it outside of Japan to be honest, not that a $40 Georgian wine would do well in the middle of Europe anyway.

Something like this would probably be really close http://grw.ge/details.php?id=13

But the point of private label is you're not gonna find out which one it actually is.

Yeah, found that website too, but thank you none the less.

Why shouldn't a Georgian wine do well in Europe? I bet they're better than Retsina and Liebfrauenmilch or the vinegar my grandpa made from our own little wineyard. I'm curious.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,244]

1 hour ago, Benihana said:

Yeah, found that website too, but thank you none the less.

Why shouldn't a Georgian wine do well in Europe? I bet they're better than Retsina and Liebfrauenmilch or the vinegar my grandpa made from our own little wineyard. I'm curious.

I had a vinegar grandpa too, but you know there's France, Italy, Spain, Portugal all there. Could spend a lifetime just getting through all those.

[dingo 1,100]

On 10/02/2024 at 20:57, Benihana said:

Yeah, found that website too, but thank you none the less.

Why shouldn't a Georgian wine do well in Europe? I bet they're better than Retsina and Liebfrauenmilch or the vinegar my grandpa made from our own little wineyard. I'm curious.

Georgian wine is good but at 40 dollars per bottle like Tochinoshin is selling it'd be difficult to break through all the abovementioned wine producing countries that are well established in Europe. I think at a cheaper price point it'd sell better, and actually in some places in Europe the cheaper Georgian wines are fairly easy to find.

[Akinomaki 39,476]

The new look as businessman o

[Gurowake 3,872]

$40 for a bottle of wine is a totally absurd price in my view, though I did do some research and it's not unheard of - just quite a premium price to pay.  I do admit I don't know what sort of taxes Japan has on wine compared to Michigan.  Google suggests the wine tax is very low, like 120 yen/bottle, so negligible for a $40 bottle.

Edited March 6 by Gurowake

[LLCoolKay 22]

If the quality is good it will find an audience and sell well. Prefacing that I am not in Europe and don't really know that market, but my family has owned and operated wine shops in three states in the US. There are plenty of $40 wines from all of the big wine locale's that sell consistently. $40-60 is a really consistent range, since it doesn't feel like you're buying something cheap but also feels like your buying something special without breaking the bank. Jordan Alexander Valley Cabernet's are about 60 dollars and they are never on the shelf for long. Lopez de Heredia Vina Tondonia is another one that's closer in price (and also European) to this and it's also one that sells very well, at around 45 dollars a bottle. 

On 10/02/2024 at 12:44, Tsuchinoninjin said:

I would surely bet its just a 'private label' wine, a wine that is non-exclusively sold under other labels as well. He is probably not allowed to sell it outside of Japan to be honest, not that a $40 Georgian wine would do well in the middle of Europe anyway.

Something like this would probably be really close http://grw.ge/details.php?id=13

But the point of private label is you're not gonna find out which one it actually is.

This is pretty much guaranteed and is probably the smartest way he could go about it. The profit margin on private label is really high and if he is working with a reputable producer the wine could definitely be worth the cost. Whether or not you would be able to find out who that producer was is hit or miss. Some private labels guard that information like gold. Some want to put the producer on the label to show that their partner is known for quality wines. Some producers don't want their names on it either though.

[Tsuchinoninjin 1,244]

I don't think I've ever even seen $50 wine at the store before, so probably you shouldn't open a store in Michigan.

[Fashiritētā 154]

$50 bottles of wine is the norm here in the Pacific Northwest, even seen some $90-$100 bottles, my experience is anything less than $50 is just vinegar.

[Yamanashi 3,669]

Around here (South Carolina), previous $5 bargain bottles are now $10 (inflation); in supermarkets wine is $10 - $40, in wine shops up to $125 but mostly $20 - $80

[Benihana 1,899]

You should see the wine the discounters in Germany like LIDL, ALDI, Netto, etc. sell. Internationally prized local wines for less than $10 a bottle and even the cheap stuff below $5 often is surprisingly good. German wine is extremely underrated in the rest of the world. In the far past we exported crap, which destroyed our reputation up to today. But quality has risen immenseley in the past decades. I'm not into wine very much (although my family owned a tiny wineyard until 2001), but it's good to live in Europe, especially in Germany. I admit, wine from California isn't bad per se, but we are swimming in the really good stuff for cheap.

Edited March 7 by Benihana

[Yamanashi 3,669]

5 hours ago, Benihana said:

You should see the wine the discounters in Germany like LIDL, ALDI, Netto, etc. sell. Internationally prized local wines for less than $10 a bottle and even the cheap stuff below $5 often is surprisingly good. German wine is extremely underrated in the rest of the world. In the far past we exported crap, which destroyed our reputation up to today. But quality has risen immenseley in the past decades. I'm not into wine very much (although my family owned a tiny wineyard until 2001), but it's good to live in Europe, especially in Germany. I admit, wine from California isn't bad per se, but we are swimming in the really good stuff for cheap.

I'm not much of a wine drinker anymore, but I always liked German wines.  Especially ideal climate for white wines.

California's blessing is the spectrum of climates and soils in one state.  Long North-to-South, 32°N to 42°N, two mountain ranges and a west coast with winds from the Sea.  As someone said, "Even a moron could make wine in California -- and many do."

Georgia is latitude 41-43°N and mostly mountainous, so reds are difficult, but they seem to have some well-adapted varietals.

Hmm, maybe I'll start drinking a little more wine.  Maybe we should start a thread in Off-topic.

[Tochinofuji 358]

Just now, Yamanashi said:

I'm not much of a wine drinker anymore, but I always liked German wines.  Especially ideal climate for white wines.

California's blessing is the spectrum of climates and soils in one state.  Long North-to-South, 32°N to 42°N, two mountain ranges and a west coast with winds from the Sea.  As someone said, "Even a moron could make wine in California -- and many do."

Georgia is latitude 41-43°N and mostly mountainous, so reds are difficult, but they seem to have some well-adapted varietals.

Hmm, maybe I'll start drinking a little more wine.  Maybe we should start a thread in Off-topic.

Now that is an off-topic thread I can get behind! 

[LLCoolKay 22]

1 hour ago, Tochinofuji said:

Now that is an off-topic thread I can get behind! 

As can I!

[Akinomaki 39,476]

From the 23rd till the 26th Tochinoshin presented his produce at the Georgia Fare in Kagoshima city - wine and honey vid

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[Akinomaki 39,476]

Tochinoshin and the ambassador of Georgia Teimuraz Lezhava were master chef and shop manager for a day on the 1st at a shop of Yamamura Milk, who also sell Georgian yoghurt and products made from it - report with many pics:  https://note.com/yamamuramilk/n/n57095f330faa?magazine_key=mc0da68ca8c5e

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and at the city hall of the location, Ise, Mie, tasting Georgian wine

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and at the Mie prefectural office in Tsu

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