Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted February 13 1 hour ago, Jakusotsu said: Losing by tie-breaker isn't bad luck per se. You need a high score as well, and even then it's still your own fault when you put a dud on top. Apples and oranges... According to this logic, luck doesn't exist at all. If you are not omniscient, it is your fault! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sokkenaiyama 76 Posted February 13 25 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: According to this logic, luck doesn't exist at all. If you are not omniscient, it is your fault! By luck I believe most SG players understand your win-loss record not being represented accurately by your results in comparison to your cohort average - e. g. getting the ginosho and a 4-11 record, or scoring bottom of the division and getting 9 wins. To some extent, the same logic could, in theory, apply to breakers, but that's harder to measure. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 535 Posted February 13 14 hours ago, Sokkenaiyama said: By luck I believe most SG players understand your win-loss record not being represented accurately by your results in comparison to your cohort average - e. g. getting the ginosho and a 4-11 record, or scoring bottom of the division and getting 9 wins. To some extent, the same logic could, in theory, apply to breakers, but that's harder to measure. Yeah, I look at my score on the overall list more than my record to see if I'm doing well. I think this is the first time I finished as high as I did in the overall scoring, and that meant a lot more than the good record. Konosato tied for the highest score and only went 5-10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ganzohnesushi 507 Posted February 19 Having the highest TB average among the players with 1000+ Bouts and a win ratio of 55,6% percent I don't believe winning TB's is pure luck. I won't get too much into details about my 'strategy', but I have some favourite aites where a TB almost always delivers a Shiroboshi to me. And putting Shodai (or Goeido when he was active) on top of your line-up definitively doesn't help winning Ganzohnesushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sokkenaiyama 76 Posted February 23 On 19/02/2024 at 13:20, Ganzohnesushi said: Having the highest TB average among the players with 1000+ Bouts and a win ratio of 55,6% percent I don't believe winning TB's is pure luck. I won't get too much into details about my 'strategy', but I have some favourite aites where a TB almost always delivers a Shiroboshi to me. And putting Shodai (or Goeido when he was active) on top of your line-up definitively doesn't help winning Ganzohnesushi There's definitely some (not a lot of) luck involved, but pretty hard to measure. You'd probably have to compare your pick with all the others with the same number of points in your division, and then rank it and add/subtract "luck" depending on whether you win or lose that day's bout, or perhaps apply some fancy statistical function to each daily difference. It's doable, but probably not relevant, because it evens out in the end - I'd guess there's hardly anyone over 55% winning percentage with more than 100 tiebreaks played. My favourite pastime when I was still serious about it was putting Kaio at the top when facing certain other Ozeki or even some Yokozuna. Got burned a few times, but it was worth it when it paid off - I can only imagine the spate of curses coming out of the other guy's mouth. Incidentally, speaking of tiebreaker strategy, I think it was @Asashosakari who had a particularly interesting one. IIRC, he would analyse his past success with the involved rikishi and place the more "predictable" ones higher up on top. No idea how successful it was, since I don't know his SG shikona (or indeed whether he's still playing or not - would guess not). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Asashosakari 18,786 Posted February 23 That was definitely not me, I've never played Sumo Game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sokkenaiyama 76 Posted February 24 Must've had you confused with some other eloquent German on the forum - probably Randomitsuki. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
