Improving Strategies for Sumo Game

[Flohru 176]

11 hours ago, Athenayama said:

+1 to all that our venerable Kintamayama mentioned here above.

If I could add somehing (obvious) it would be of course to watch ALL the bouts live if possible (to watch the few seconds after the bout is over which is not always showed in the highlights). Hence (also with experience) you can acquire a "subconscious" feeling how a rikishi performs in that particular basho.  Small injuries you can perceive  (momentary or not), bad shape (momentary or not!)..... not always easy but it could help make the right decision in some bouts that could lead you to a win.

I tend to do pretty well in the daily games when I do not have the time to watch ANY bouts during the basho (like this time)!  

[Athenayama 999]

7 minutes ago, Flohru said:

I tend to do pretty well in the daily games when I do not have the time to watch ANY bouts during the basho (like this time)!  

Yeah but YOU have years and years of experience already ! !

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

1 hour ago, Kintamayama said:

It took me three years the second time (started from scratch) and 2 and a half the third time (started from scratch). No Makushita when I first started playing back in Kyushu 2000..

87 ranks in Makushita now... 

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

17 minutes ago, Athenayama said:

Yeah but YOU have years and years of experience already ! !

He can play bouts in his mind. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Bunbukuchagama

[Kaito 276]

4 hours ago, Shiroiokami said:

I just wanna know how much of Saiwaifuji's soul they had to give up in order to do so well in the past 4 bashos, it's kinda insane. The dude know's something we plebians don't.

I was pretty impressed by the 70% above average days over 4 basho, but then I realized I've done the same thing over the last 4 while plummeting through the ranks. It's been over 4 years now and I still haven't reached my level. I hope I can win some World Championship points in this game before I die of old age.

[Ganzohnesushi 510]

1 hour ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

87 ranks in Makushita now... 

That was exactly my rank when I started playing Sumo Game back in November 2005. It took me two years (only 12 Basho) to become a Sekitori. To be honest, I had plenty of bad luck because  my daily aites often seem to have their best Day of the Basho when they met me on the virtual Dohyo. But in the long run it all evens out. The strategy was/is quite simple. Pick winners 

Ganzohnesushi 

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

1 minute ago, Ganzohnesushi said:

It took me two years (only 12 Basho) to become a Sekitori

Wow, you are a prodigy. 

I am still in the 50s. I had promotions like +4 ranks after a 9-6 basho. 

[Shiroiokami 14]

3 hours ago, Asashosakari said:

Looking at Saiwaifuji's player page has just been my periodic reminder of how depressingly undynamic I find the banzuke-making in SG to be.

I agree, that Sumo Game's banzuke system is brutally slow, unfortunately I don't think they're going to change up the system after twenty-three years of not changing it. I have embraced the slog.

[Shiroiokami 14]

4 hours ago, Kaito said:

I was pretty impressed by the 70% above average days over 4 basho, but then I realized I've done the same thing over the last 4 while plummeting through the ranks. It's been over 4 years now and I still haven't reached my level. I hope I can win some World Championship points in this game before I die of old age.

I still would love to get insight into how you pick your guys through Kaito, sure you've had a run of bad luck but your point average is nevertheless impressive! What are some rule of thumbs that you feel bring you success?

Edited November 30, 2023 by Shiroiokami

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

@Ganzohnesushi already offered the best piece of advice four posts above.

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

18 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

@Ganzohnesushi already offered the best piece of advice four posts above.

[Kachikoshi 21]

How do banzuke tiebreakers work in this game? In particular, I'm confused how tiebreakers worked for these four players for the Kyushu basho. All four were tied by standard banzuke math, but they ended up ranked in this order:

1. Hinomaru, 5-10 from West Makushita 47
2. Clementesan, 9-6 from West Makushita 55
3. Toshishugisha, 8-7 from West Makushita 53
4. Shokoki, 2-13 from West Makushita 41

I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out a rule that would produce this ordering.

[Asashosakari 18,967]

Looking at that sort of tie-breaking in SG in general, the ordering is so inconsistent from case to case that I'm tempted to suggest that the banzuke maker must be looking at some sort of secondary factor beyond wins, like points average.

[Kachikoshi 21]

It's so inconsistent that I wonder if it's actually just random.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Kachikoshi

[Ganzohnesushi 510]

12 hours ago, Kachikoshi said:

How do banzuke tiebreakers work in this game? In particular, I'm confused how tiebreakers worked for these four players for the Kyushu basho. All four were tied by standard banzuke math, but they ended up ranked in this order:

1. Hinomaru, 5-10 from West Makushita 47
2. Clementesan, 9-6 from West Makushita 55
3. Toshishugisha, 8-7 from West Makushita 53
4. Shokoki, 2-13 from West Makushita 41

I'm wracking my brain trying to figure out a rule that would produce this ordering.

I guess this could be the solution:

1. Hinomaru is the Banzuke makers little sister
2. Clementesan is his older brother
3. Toshishugisha is a good friend of the older brother
4. Shokoki is someone who just had a shitty result

Ganzohnesushi

 

Edited December 13, 2023 by Ganzohnesushi

[Athenayama 999]

2 hours ago, Ganzohnesushi said:

I guess this could be the solution:

1. Hinomaru is the Banzuke makers little sister
2. Clementesan is his older brother
3. Toshishugisha is a good friend of the older brother
4. Shokoki is someone who just had a shitty result

Ganzohnesushi

 

So, I guess not one of them should be a possible pick for Metasumo 2024 (I just wanted to advertise the game here )

[Shiroiokami 14]

6 hours ago, Athenayama said:

So, I guess not one of them should be a possible pick for Metasumo 2024 (I just wanted to advertise the game here )

What the heck is meta sumo?

[Athenayama 999]

6 minutes ago, Shiroiokami said:

What the heck is meta sumo?

 

[Sumo Spiffy 544]

On 13/12/2023 at 14:11, Shiroiokami said:

What the heck is meta sumo?

Metasumo is weird, but also weirdly fun. There are so many fantasy games that they made a whole other game where you pick fantasy players based on how they do in those other games. There's nothing quite like picking yourself, being disappointed that you're not your own best pick, and then carrying yourself in the last tournament of the year. 

[Shiroiokami 14]

Wanna say thanks for all the advice that everyone gave! While I only went 8-7, I had 10 above average days this basho and scored top 15 in points,109, in the Makushita division! It also helped that I took notes of every fight for each wrestler, it really helped me pay attention and notice the little things for each wrestler! Admittedly this was a wonky basho with the sanyaku just wrecking shit and giving everyone 4-5 reliable picks every night, true test will come next basho to see if my strats worked

[Hoshotakamoto 256]

I found that playing Sumo Game cured my ailment of falling 5-10 days behind the makuuchi results in the basho, but it diverted all my attention away from the yusho race / ozeki promotions and made me only care about the results as they pertained to my picks. For me to maximize my enjoyment of watching sumo I would have to sit out of 3-4 sumo games per year to focus on the big picture, but keep that token bit of participation in order to stay engaged.

[Athenayama 999]

@Hoshotakamoto Play Sekitori Toto and your attention will be focused on ALL sekitori bouts.

[Sokkenaiyama 80]

Luck is a factor, for sure, but it evens out over the years (except for @Oskanohana, he seems to have made a deal with El Diablo). Seriously, though, there's no recipe to get better at SG, in order to do well you need to get better at understanding sumo. Success in SG (and pretty much every other sumo game out there) will follow.

[Bunbukuchagama 701]

15 hours ago, Sokkenaiyama said:

Luck is a factor

Ha! Check who is at the very bottom of tiebreaker win rate table... 

[Jakusotsu 5,874]

4 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

20 hours ago, Sokkenaiyama said:

Luck is a factor

Ha! Check who is at the very bottom of tiebreaker win rate table... 

Losing by tie-breaker isn't bad luck per se. You need a high score as well, and even then it's still your own fault when you put a dud on top. Apples and oranges...