GTB invite- Hatsu 2024 --RESULTS!! 199 entries.

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

1 hour ago, Tsuchinoninjin said:

I gained several points on GTB by reading their posts ;)

Shame on you! Shame! 

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

1 hour ago, Hoshotakamoto said:

his slow grind to pick up each half a slot on the banzuke (if anything it was the 7-4-4 at the time that drove me to despair, not knowing what the following year had in store) may have earned him some points with the sumo gods, and not just his dad.

Show me when exactly he deserved a bigger promotion than what he got. Covid kyujo was beyond anybody's control, and the rest is a result of overcrowded joi and lower sanyaku at the time. 

[Kintamayama 45,527]

16 hours ago, Reonito said:

Kudos on getting that right for sure, but what's the logic, after they haven't swapped sekiwake in similar instances on several occasions in recent years? Acknowledging that Koto is on an ozeki run and Daieisho isn't? Dad?

My logic was simple- an 11-4 SE2 jun yusho should trump an SE 9-6, regardless of the latest trends re-sekiwakes. And dad, maybe. It probably  helped that I did not know this latest trend.. I was totally sure  of this, but nothing much else- I tend to get the surprises (and only the surprises mostly) right here and there.

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

29 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

My logic was simple- an 11-4 SE2 jun yusho should trump an SE 9-6, regardless of the latest trends

Well... The problem is: we are supposed to predict what WILL happen and not what SHOULD.

[Kintamayama 45,527]

6 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Well... The problem is: we are supposed to predict what WILL happen and not what SHOULD.

Disagree- we are supposed to guess what will happen with a healthy mixture of what should happen.  That's the whole point of the game.

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

1 minute ago, Kintamayama said:

Disagree- we are supposed to guess what will happen with a healthy mixture of what should happen.  That's the whole point of the game.

This explains a lot. 

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[Fashiritētā 184]

4 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

This explains a lot. 

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To be fair , as armchair Banzuke makers, we are at a very distinct disadvantage as we can’t consume as must Saki as those that put it together.

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

Just now, Fashiritētā said:

To be fair , as armchair Banzuke makers, we are at a very distinct disadvantage as we can’t consume as must Saki as those that put it together.

I always believed only the most inebriated members of the committee were allowed to participate in actual banzuke-making. 

[Kintamayama 45,527]

12 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

This explains a lot. 

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No it doesn't. The Banzuke committee has it all wrong. They will come to their senses eventually. Let's play fair and see all of last year, not just the last one. Of course it's not in the realm of Bumbuk (though i beat him in May and July..), but it's not bad.

202211	78	Kintamayama	46	73	30	26	4	0	56	8-7
202301	26	Kintamayama	47	61	32	14	18	0	46	10-5
202303	147	Kintamayama	48	75	20	10	10	0	30	4-11
202305	30	Kintamayama	49	67	28	21	7	0	49	10-5
202307	25	Kintamayama	50	52	29	27	2	0	56	11-4
202309	137	Kintamayama	51	56	28	18	10	0	46	6-9
202311	103	Kintamayama	52	61	27	23	4	0	50	7-8

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

11 minutes ago, Kintamayama said:

The Banzuke committee has it all wrong. They will come to their senses eventually.

I am sure the collective GTB brain could easily produce a better banzuke than NSK. Alas, our efforts will continue to be ignored. 

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

16 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Show me when exactly he deserved a bigger promotion than what he got. Covid kyujo was beyond anybody's control, and the rest is a result of overcrowded joi and lower sanyaku at the time. 

There wasn't a lot of historical precedent supporting the overcrowded joi theory (as in, "oh, this sort of thing is normal" -- in fact there's a lot of stuff that basically never happened from 1970 to 2003) -- I think they just didn't want to open up slots to promote these guys (i.e. pay them more money for their achievements) and I found it so offensive at the time that I let my pretty-decent-start at GTB fall to the wayside before I could get my 6th-participation-in-a-row-for-the-official-debut-ranking which I would have liked to see if it didn't mean I had to cosign the screwing of Kiri/Kotonowaka/etc (also I got married in the middle of this, but I probably could have found time to submit a banzuke if the situation had been more palatable).

There's definitely stuff in the archives where I basically said to hell with this game, I'll stop trying to guess how badly they will mistreat these guys and I'll just submit a banzuke that feels fair instead. Again, at the time I was saying this it's not like I was throwing up a bunch of 5-10s in the game. It just stopped being fun seeing 10-5 and 11-4 move guys up two to three slots.

[Tigerboy1966 1,474]

Just got back from a holiday in the Lake District with next to no internet. Checked the banzuke and saw that I had got the sekiwake correct against all odds. This is it! I thought: the GTB iteration which sees me erupt from mediocrity and claim my rightful place among the game's elite... and then I read the rest of the banzuke... and my cloud-capped towers collapsed into dust and ashes.

Ah well, still scraped a kk. March will be my month. Definitely... probably... maybe.

[maglor 122]

What's more impressive; a 10-5 with a kyujo Yokozuna and 2 struggling Ozeki, or a 8-7 against 3 strong Yokozuna and 3 strong Ozeki?

sure 10-5s have never rewarded you less in the joi, but 10-5s have also never been so easy to get in the joi

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

6 hours ago, Hoshotakamoto said:

I think they just didn't want to open up slots to promote these guys (i.e. pay them more money for their achievements)

Everybody got treated the same way, there was no hidden "keep Kotonowaka down" agenda; therefore, I don't see why he in particular deserves little gifts like this one.

[Fashiritētā 184]

20 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Everybody got treated the same way, there was no hidden "keep Kotonowaka down" agenda; therefore, I don't see why he in particular deserves little gifts like this one.

Kotonowaka will be the next Ozeki , nothing wrong with Dad helping him out in the rankings.

[Bunbukuchagama 771]

Just now, Fashiritētā said:

Kotonowaka will be the next Ozeki , nothing wrong with Dad helping him out in the rankings.

I will be happy to see him succeed. But it doesn't explain this committee decision.

[Hoshotakamoto 259]

12 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Everybody got treated the same way, there was no hidden "keep Kotonowaka down" agenda; therefore, I don't see why he in particular deserves little gifts like this one.

You asked me to show you when he deserved a bigger promotion - I gave you the historical context indicating that most likely in the 33 years that this basically never happened, they probably opened up an extra komusubi slot here and there for guys like Kiribayama and Kotonowaka who deserved it in spring 2022. I say probably because I didn't bother to research that half of the equation - but what happened last spring wasn't normal and it did turn me off of the whole game of guessing how these guys would get shafted.

[Tim Sumo 4]

On 27/12/2023 at 06:26, Bunbukuchagama said:

Show me when exactly he deserved a bigger promotion than what he got. Covid kyujo was beyond anybody's control, and the rest is a result of overcrowded joi and lower sanyaku at the time. 

 

On 28/12/2023 at 18:48, Hoshotakamoto said:

You asked me to show you when he deserved a bigger promotion - I gave you the historical context indicating that most likely in the 33 years that this basically never happened, they probably opened up an extra komusubi slot here and there for guys like Kiribayama and Kotonowaka who deserved it in spring 2022. I say probably because I didn't bother to research that half of the equation - but what happened last spring wasn't normal and it did turn me off of the whole game of guessing how these guys would get shafted.

They could have easily given Kiribayama a Komusubi slot. He went on to become only the 2nd M2e in 6 basho history to not get a Komusubi slot with a 10-5. If they were worried about the shimpan’s son getting a historically low promotion (first M2w in history to go to M2e from a 9-6) they easily could have avoided it. Of course they don’t care. Kotonowaka doesn’t get favours from his dad. That goes against Japanese culture. Likely he gets treated more harshly. 

[Yubinhaad 11,761]

Only one change to the top ten ranks this time - Kobashi drops out after a single basho visit, and is replaced by Reonito who is back in green after a year out.

Konosato and Oshirokita are the 11th and 12th players to reach 6,000 career points, each doing so in their 123rd basho.

 

Some of these were already mentioned by others, but a lot of records were matched or broken in this high-scoring edition of GTB. Yusho winner Kishikaisei scored a whopping 78 points to set a new record score, surpassing the old mark of 76. He also had 38 Bullseyes, breaking the previous record of 37 first set by Itachiyama in 2012 Natsu.

Flew and Tim Sumo both had 42 correct guesses to equal Pandaazuma's achievement from five years ago, while debutant Silent Coup chalked up 40 correct guesses and 72 points - both rookie records.

Two of the oldest records in the books are no more. Shin-Fukurou registered 23 hits to break the previous record of 21, set by Kayo (Kaiomitsuki) in 2004 Natsu. Meanwhile, debutant Enkaga got 20 hits to set a new rookie record, breaking the previous mark of 17 set jointly by Chikaraho and Chiyonoumi in 2003 Haru.