Kintamayama 45,117 Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) This is a formal invitation to play the "Guess the Banzuke" game!! 25 years, 151st basho. Please play. It's fun and healthy Game rules: Guess the Banzuke. Simple. You get two points for a bulls-eye and one point for just getting the rank right. You get no points for believing that wasn't a henka. Tiebreakers - Most total guesses, then we check the banzuke backwards - getting the lower half right will be important. The most correct guesses in the last ten places will win the tiebreaker. If still tied, we go up a ranking at a time like a penalty shootout. If still tied, I will start to cry. It's up to you to check if you are on the list of entries. It's going to be your fault if you don't notice that your entry went missing in the Internet void. No late entries will be expected or accepted. Those are the rules, and the rules will never be changed. The entry process is very simple and fully automated so don't be put off by thinking this is complicated in any way. The game itself- very complicated indeed. For rules that will never be changed, standings and tipping : http://www.dichne.com/Guess.htm For the nifty entry form, which will hopefully continue to do what it's intended to do : http://sumodb.sumoga...b/GTBEntry.aspx For Chiyotasuke's helper: https://chiyotasuke.github.io/gtbhelper/ For the "new" archives: http://sumodb.sumoga...gtbarchive.aspx See if you are on the entry list: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/gtb/GTBEntryList.aspx Deadline: Monday, October 23rd, 2023 at 18:00 GMT ("Great Move, Takakeishou!! ) - PLEASE NOTE-THIS IS ONE WEEK BEFORE THE OFFICIAL BANZUKE ANNOUNCEMENT!! Edited October 30, 2023 by Kintamayama 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiyotasuke 293 Posted September 25, 2023 You might notice the helper now has a dark mode option, which I promised last GTB. It'll help your eyes, I hope 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsuchinoninjin 1,269 Posted October 1, 2023 I submitted a list of names to the entry site, and to the kyokai in duplicate hoping they'd see the light. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,117 Posted October 17, 2023 One week left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaeucherLax 288 Posted October 18, 2023 I'm in! Gotta say that thx to @Chiyotasuke 's marvelous GTB helper it has become sooo much easier to come up with a guess even if my entry is probably as useless as always due to me being absolutely clueless 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wakawakawaka 153 Posted October 18, 2023 Anyone have the GTB results for Nagoya23? I don't see them on the archives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sumo Spiffy 560 Posted October 19, 2023 15 hours ago, Wakawakawaka said: Anyone have the GTB results for Nagoya23? I don't see them on the archives. Occasionally they take longer to go up. They will get there. (Don't have them myself, though.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yarimotsu 578 Posted October 20, 2023 Made a late submission this time and I'm not sure how exactly it will go. Juryo promotions are even somewhat confusing but I went with the most basic of tiebreakers. Also tried an old method for separating those at the same rung - I've had a bad read on the banzuke-makers lately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,117 Posted October 20, 2023 3-4 days to deadline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wamahada 57 Posted October 23, 2023 Deadline passed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rocks 1,809 Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wamahada said: Deadline passed Not that I will do anything but terrible but, LAST ONE IN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 45,117 Posted October 23, 2023 On 19/10/2023 at 02:39, Wakawakawaka said: Anyone have the GTB results for Nagoya23? I don't see them on the archives. Place Shikona Basho Rank Correct Guesses Bulls-eye Hits Total Points Record 1. Tetsuba 5 65 35 29 6 64 15-0 2. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 3 123 33 29 4 62 14-1 3. Tim Sumo 10 4 33 27 6 60 13-2 4. Shoryuyama 18 15 32 28 4 60 13-2 5. Gurowake 52 46 32 28 4 60 13-2 6. Kaito 19 7 32 27 5 59 12-3 7. Saruwatari II 21 36 32 26 6 58 12-3 8. Wakaarashi 7 39 32 26 6 58 12-3 9. Moshogaeru 9 2 31 27 4 58 12-3 10. Papayasu 2 153 31 27 4 58 12-3 11. Balon 13 54 31 27 4 58 12-3 12. glacier 8 16 31 27 4 58 12-3 13. Reonito 35 25 31 26 5 57 11-4 14. Goshobiyama 24 5 30 27 3 57 11-4 15. Muhomatsu 55 51 32 24 8 56 11-4 16. Ullishimaru 134 47 32 24 8 56 11-4 17. Asashosakari 115 6 32 24 8 56 11-4 18. ScreechingOwl 54 40 31 25 6 56 11-4 19. Sumo Spiffy 7 24 31 25 6 56 11-4 20. Akirry * 1 188 31 25 6 56 11-4 21. Kale 5 91 30 26 4 56 11-4 22. Gooner 103 22 30 26 4 56 11-4 23. Toranoshin 15 29 30 26 4 56 11-4 24. Akinomaki 75 158 30 26 4 56 11-4 25. Kintamayama 50 52 29 27 2 56 11-4 26. Torafujii 96 78 32 23 9 55 10-5 27. Ichinanjo 9 162 32 23 9 55 10-5 28. Susanoo 115 75 31 24 7 55 10-5 29. Hoshotakamoto 9 93 30 25 5 55 10-5 30. Unkonoyama 38 28 29 26 3 55 10-5 31. Jakusotsu 114 38 32 22 10 54 10-5 32. Pitinosato 103 20 31 23 8 54 10-5 33. Hidenotora 19 19 31 23 8 54 10-5 34. Gonzaburow 94 10 30 24 6 54 10-5 35. Fishomata 2 165 30 24 6 54 10-5 36. KatsumaBen 14 72 30 24 6 54 10-5 37. Meiwaku 5 37 30 23 7 53 10-5 38. Kashunowaka 27 130 29 24 5 53 10-5 39. BlackPinkMawashi 17 14 29 24 5 53 10-5 40. Kobashi 19 74 29 24 5 53 10-5 41. Akakyoryu 19 77 28 25 3 53 10-5 42. Anjinsan * 1 190 31 21 10 52 9-6 43. RyanTradesFutures * 1 191 29 23 6 52 9-6 44. SHiFT 22 1 29 23 6 52 9-6 45. Randy Savage 10 27 27 25 2 52 9-6 46. Matsuo 2 154 28 23 5 51 9-6 47. CaptSmarta$$ 8 86 28 23 5 51 9-6 48. Chishafuwaku 61 94 28 23 5 51 9-6 49. Heriokuno 116 32 27 24 3 51 9-6 50. Yoshio 15 33 27 24 3 51 9-6 51. Schwoosh * 1 194 27 24 3 51 9-6 52. Takaryu 3 134 27 24 3 51 9-6 53. Dare 9 63 29 21 8 50 9-6 54. Andonishiki 63 81 29 21 8 50 9-6 55. Tombo 3 139 29 21 8 50 9-6 56. Oskanohana 59 21 28 22 6 50 9-6 57. Octofuji 4 197 28 22 6 50 9-6 58. Kishikaisei 33 50 27 23 4 50 9-6 59. Asset 8 43 27 23 4 50 9-6 60. TochiYESshin 20 17 27 23 4 50 9-6 61. Yarimotsu 11 35 27 23 4 50 9-6 62. Bunbukuchagama 4 101 27 23 4 50 9-6 63. Sakura 38 12 27 23 4 50 9-6 64. Konosato 120 23 27 23 4 50 9-6 65. Cheesofuji 14 3 28 21 7 49 8-7 66. Sugakusha 4 120 27 22 5 49 8-7 67. Simon! * 1 199 27 22 5 49 8-7 68. Koshinoumi * 1 200 26 23 3 49 8-7 69. Masanoumi 2 167 26 23 3 49 8-7 70. Gusoyama 15 80 28 20 8 48 8-7 71. Nantonoyama 45 53 27 21 6 48 8-7 72. Shatsume 39 67 27 21 6 48 8-7 73. Asterix 21 108 27 21 6 48 8-7 74. Hankegami 7 59 26 22 4 48 8-7 75. Sukubidubidu 118 76 26 22 4 48 8-7 76. Packamawashi 10 175 26 22 4 48 8-7 77. Bill 101 66 29 18 11 47 8-7 78. Velsi 13 71 27 20 7 47 8-7 79. Chiyonosawa 83 26 27 20 7 47 8-7 80. Simon 13 61 27 20 7 47 8-7 81. Tenisukoto 4 125 26 21 5 47 8-7 82. slayakaya 2 151 26 21 5 47 8-7 83. Wamahada 83 92 26 21 5 47 8-7 84. Kitakachiyama 88 30 26 21 5 47 8-7 85. Kakuma 3 204 26 21 5 47 8-7 86. Chiyotasuke 10 13 25 22 3 47 8-7 87. Pandaazuma 76 11 25 22 3 47 8-7 88. Itachiyama 95 34 27 19 8 46 7-8 89. Oortael 27 44 26 20 6 46 7-8 90. Rokudenashi 5 115 26 20 6 46 7-8 91. Mr.Rofl 19 132 25 21 4 46 7-8 92. Tomasufuji 2 171 25 21 4 46 7-8 93. Manatsumai 106 82 25 21 4 46 7-8 94. Matsudo 5 144 25 21 4 46 7-8 95. BlckKnght * 1 206 25 21 4 46 7-8 96. Miwabe * 1 207 25 21 4 46 7-8 97. Leonishiki 135 96 27 18 9 45 7-8 98. Itchynotoe 12 41 27 18 9 45 7-8 99. Taiseiyama 35 84 26 19 7 45 7-8 100. Yekiyama 9 116 26 19 7 45 7-8 101. Athenayama 30 107 26 19 7 45 7-8 102. BlackPawn 5 128 25 20 5 45 7-8 103. Mondage 3 155 25 20 5 45 7-8 104. Kotononami 96 57 25 20 5 45 7-8 105. Ganzohnesushi 102 49 25 20 5 45 7-8 106. Golynohana 30 45 23 22 1 45 7-8 107. The Goonch 7 70 26 18 8 44 7-8 108. FukuraAgi 2 178 25 19 6 44 7-8 109. Furuimori 10 98 25 19 6 44 7-8 110. Mariohana 86 156 25 19 6 44 7-8 111. Taxinohana 106 64 24 20 4 44 7-8 112. Chisaiwashi 32 122 26 17 9 43 6-9 113. Seiyashi 13 88 25 18 7 43 6-9 114. Barutonoumi 16 73 25 18 7 43 6-9 115. Frinkanohana 118 56 24 19 5 43 6-9 116. Netsuzakura 13 85 24 19 5 43 6-9 117. Akawainnoumi 18 31 23 20 3 43 6-9 118. Ebi 8 179 23 20 3 43 6-9 119. Hokutonojo 21 95 25 17 8 42 6-9 120. Toshishugisha * 1 211 25 17 8 42 6-9 121. Jejima 133 127 24 18 6 42 6-9 122. Tupayumi 35 97 24 18 6 42 6-9 123. Oshirokita 120 48 23 19 4 42 6-9 124. Takanorappa 133 112 25 16 9 41 6-9 125. Veshana 78 124 25 16 9 41 6-9 126. Andoreasu 125 60 25 16 9 41 6-9 127. Abuza * 1 213 25 16 9 41 6-9 128. Kasamatsuri 112 119 24 17 7 41 6-9 129. Sakinogawa * 1 214 24 17 7 41 6-9 130. Oshiyama 27 83 23 18 5 41 6-9 131. Leo Dickinson 16 102 25 15 10 40 5-10 132. Karina 2 169 23 17 6 40 5-10 133. PaURA 8 42 23 17 6 40 5-10 134. Doreikishi 12 69 22 18 4 40 5-10 135. Flohru 112 62 22 18 4 40 5-10 136. Wakudoyama 23 18 23 16 7 39 5-10 137. Machina * 1 217 22 17 5 39 5-10 138. Yubinhaad 134 68 22 17 5 39 5-10 139. Kaminari no taiyo 10 121 24 14 10 38 5-10 140. Karasu 2 170 23 15 8 38 5-10 141. Konishiki 8 111 22 16 6 38 5-10 142. Chubanoumi 5 141 21 17 4 38 5-10 143. Maorencze 12 140 23 14 9 37 5-10 144. Wakatake 29 58 23 14 9 37 5-10 145. Sushibomber * 1 220 22 15 7 37 5-10 146. Yamazan 3 159 22 15 7 37 5-10 147. Netakata 15 114 22 15 7 37 5-10 148. Kaiowaka 109 113 22 15 7 37 5-10 149. orthostasis * 1 221 21 16 5 37 5-10 150. Aminoumi 58 136 22 14 8 36 4-11 151. AlphaHo 3 168 22 14 8 36 4-11 152. Ketsukai 95 100 20 16 4 36 4-11 153. Fujinowaka * 1 228 20 15 5 35 4-11 154. Wakawakawaka 9 103 21 13 8 34 4-11 155. BariiHachiBenson 12 105 20 13 7 33 4-11 156. Supizakage 16 79 18 15 3 33 4-11 157. Jimbe 4 232 20 12 8 32 4-11 158. SubmergedBass 9 109 20 12 8 32 4-11 159. Tamanaogijima 135 129 18 14 4 32 4-11 160. Nivasta * 1 238 22 8 14 30 4-11 161. Kotoshozan * 1 239 20 10 10 30 4-11 162. Yagikunshu 2 189 19 11 8 30 4-11 163. Fashiriteta 2 201 17 13 4 30 4-11 164. Citragon * 1 241 20 9 11 29 3-12 165. Herritaro 4 242 20 9 11 29 3-12 166. Hokoro 5 137 19 10 9 29 3-12 167. RaeucherLax 40 110 19 10 9 29 3-12 168. Kujo 23 104 18 11 7 29 3-12 169. Hapuhou * 1 247 19 9 10 28 3-12 170. Honkyokawa * 1 255 14 10 4 24 2-13 171. Ozekiki 3 172 14 9 5 23 2-13 172. Bosonami 6 183 14 6 8 20 2-13 173. mattafuji * 1 265 14 5 9 19 1-14 174. Baku 2 224 13 6 7 19 1-14 175. BadBoyAsa * 1 273 10 3 7 13 0-15 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wamahada 57 Posted October 24, 2023 My humble attempt for Kyushu: Terunofuji Y Takakeisho O Kirishima O2 Hoshoryu Daieisho S Wakamotoharu Kotonowaka S2 Hokutofuji K Abi K2 Asanoyama Shodai. M1 Ura Meisei M2 Tobizaru Gonoyama. M3 Takayasu Nishikigi M4 Onosho Midorifuji M5 Shonannoumi Takanosho M6 Hokuseiho Kinbozan M7 Endo Mitakeumi M8 Ryuden Atamifuji M9 Myogiryu Kotoeko M10 Hiradoumi Sadanoumi M11 Oho Tomokaze M12 Takarafuji Ichiyamamoto M13 Tamawashi Tsurugisho M14 Roga Kitanowaka M15 Tohakuryu Churanoumi M16 Nishikifuji Any double digit score would be fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kotononami 86 Posted October 24, 2023 I wouldn't have bet a cent on an extra Komusubi slot but who knows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 723 Posted October 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Wamahada said: K2 Asanoyama Really? If you are right, a lot of people's banzuke will crash and burn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wamahada 57 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Really? If you are right, a lot of people's banzuke will crash and burn. Wait and see. Probably you are right, probably not. Edited October 24, 2023 by Wamahada Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 723 Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wamahada said: Probably you are right, probably not. I wouldn't call probabilities equal in this case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,448 Posted October 24, 2023 OK lemming, over the cliff... Terunofuji Y Takakeisho O Kirishima O2 Hoshoryu Daieisho S Wakamotoharu Kotonowaka S2 Hokutofuji K Abi Asanoyama M1 Ura Shodai. M2 Tobizaru Meisei M3 Takayasu Gonoyama M4 Nishikigi Onosho M5 Midorifuji Hokuseiho M6 Shonannoumi Takanosho M7 Kinbozan Endo M8 Atamifuji Mitakeumi M9 Myogiryu Ryuden M10 Kotoeko Hiradoumi M11 Sadanoumi Oho M12 Takarafuji Tamawashi M13 Tsurugisho Tomokaze M14 Ichiyamamoto Tohakuryu M15 Roga Churanoumi M16 Nishikifuji Kitanowaka M17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 723 Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tigerboy1966 said: Tamawashi M13 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oshirokita 188 Posted October 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Kotononami said: I wouldn't have bet a cent on an extra Komusubi slot but who knows? Well, I have 3 komusubi in my guess too. although I admit my recent results in GTB show that I am not in sync with the banzuke committee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 40,485 Posted October 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Wamahada said: Wait and see. Probably you are right, probably not. I went for that as well because I want to see Asanoyama there, fully aware that I certainly will be wrong - only the BBM guess had it, and they usually are very far off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,457 Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said: OK lemming, over the cliff... Mine is very similar; a couple of east-west switches and a couple of half-rank switches of the kind that result in zero points. I think the difference is 12 GTB points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,457 Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Oshirokita said: Well, I have 3 komusubi in my guess too. although I admit my recent results in GTB show that I am not in sync with the banzuke committee. The db is down at the moment, but there's a very recent example (after January) in which Tamawashi wasn't promoted under nearly identical circumstances. Edited October 24, 2023 by Reonito Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,448 Posted October 24, 2023 30 minutes ago, Reonito said: 2 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said: OK lemming, over the cliff... Mine is very similar; a couple of east-west switches and a couple of half-rank switches of the kind that result in zero points. I think the difference is 12 GTB points. The tricky thing for me was how far to demote the falling komusubi. Getting those wrong could really put a damper on your day. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites