Kintamayama 44,354 Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) Suddenly, Kotonowaka needs 13 wins. May - Kirishima yusho → Ozeki. July - Houshouryuu yusho → Ozeki. Aki- Kotonowaka yusho → Ozeki? Kotozakura returns? This is a place holder in case. Edited August 2, 2023 by Kintamayama 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: Kotonowaka needs 13 wins 14, first of all. That's if they even count the 8-win basho in a 8-11-14 run. Edited August 2, 2023 by Bunbukuchagama Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fashiritētā 169 Posted August 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: 14, first of all. That's if they even count the 8-win basho in a 8-11-14 run. You forgot the Dad factor 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted August 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Fashiritētā said: You forgot the Dad factor Dad factor is a 1-win discount? How about Uncle factor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fashiritētā 169 Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) Dad has more pull than Uncle Something about owning a heya, I believe Uncle doesn’t have one Edited August 2, 2023 by Fashiritētā 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted August 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Fashiritētā said: Dad has more pull than Uncle Something about owning a heya, I believe Uncle doesn’t have one We need an official rule! If Dad has a higher position in NSK, does the discount increase? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fashiritētā 169 Posted August 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Bunbukuchagama said: We need an official rule! If Dad has a higher position in NSK, does the discount increase? Sta a te decidere Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted August 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Fashiritētā said: Sta a te decidere I wish I had such powers... (c) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chartorenji 235 Posted August 2, 2023 34 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Dad factor is a 1-win discount? How about Uncle factor? Uncle has no sway in Ozumo and was in the disgrace camp when they left. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akinomaki 39,789 Posted August 2, 2023 55 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: We need an official rule! If Dad has a higher position in NSK, does the discount increase? If like here dad is the one who first decides if there is a promotion, definitely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kintamayama 44,354 Posted August 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Bunbukuchagama said: 14, first of all. That's if they even count the 8-win basho in a 8-11-14 run. 13 wins and a yusho, coupled with a Takakeishou demotion should do it. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted August 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Kintamayama said: 13 wins and a yusho, coupled with a Takakeishou demotion should do it. This is Shodai territory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WAKATAKE 2,631 Posted August 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Fashiritētā said: Dad has more pull than Uncle Something about owning a heya, I believe Uncle doesn’t have one More like being the head of the judging department who makes the recommendations??? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted August 3, 2023 I don't see Kotonowaka going 14-1. But 11 is a very good result to be starting an ōzeki run with. That said, while he has been a regular joi member for some time, I don't know if he's so good as to be able to make ōzeki after Kyūshū. I rate Daieishō and Wakamotoharu better than him and look what happened to those two. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reonito 1,335 Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Seiyashi said: I don't see Kotonowaka going 14-1. But 11 is a very good result to be starting an ōzeki run with. That said, while he has been a regular joi member for some time, I don't know if he's so good as to be able to make ōzeki after Kyūshū. I rate Daieishō and Wakamotoharu better than him and look what happened to those two. And with his first san'yaku stint, and only 4 basho, all at komusubi, they're not going to be eager to promote him with anything less than 33, and might even ask for more, as they did with Takakeisho. When I've looked at the few denials with 33+ over 3, newness to san'yaku was a common thread. I'm not going to try to divine whether his family ties alter this calculus. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted August 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Seiyashi said: I don't see Kotonowaka going 14-1. But 11 is a very good result to be starting an ōzeki run with. That said, while he has been a regular joi member for some time, I don't know if he's so good as to be able to make ōzeki after Kyūshū. I rate Daieishō and Wakamotoharu better than him and look what happened to those two. Kotonowaka is younger and should have more upside (or so it seems). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Bunbukuchagama said: Kotonowaka is younger and should have more upside (or so it seems). That reason alone is not good enough. He still has to show that he has the potential skill that can be grown into. To be honest? His sumo hasn't been that inspiring so far. In any case, it's a moot point if he goes single digits in this basho. I think that's pretty likely if the rest of the joi are healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chartorenji 235 Posted August 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said: This is Shodai territory. that's 32 wins with a year of Kachi-Koshi's to his name. Might not be as dominant as Hoshoryu's run, but I can see how it'll happen. Plus Shodai was 100% deserving. 2 Jun-Yusho's right before the run began. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bunbukuchagama 688 Posted August 3, 2023 53 minutes ago, Seiyashi said: In any case, it's a moot point if he goes single digits in this basho. I think that's pretty likely if the rest of the joi are healthy. That's a big "if". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted August 3, 2023 26 minutes ago, Bunbukuchagama said: That's a big "if". I don't think it's that big an if, but we'll agree to disagree. (To be clear, I also meant single digit KKs, so 8-7 or 9-6, not just double-digit MKs.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tigerboy1966 1,376 Posted August 3, 2023 Over the last 2 basho the promotion of a new ozeki has gone from being "essential" to "quite nice" so no need to apply any special favours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoshotakamoto 256 Posted August 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Tigerboy1966 said: Over the last 2 basho the promotion of a new ozeki has gone from being "essential" to "quite nice" so no need to apply any special favours. life comes at you fast 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seiyashi 4,071 Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Both Takakeishō and Kirishima failing to clear kadoban is, I think, highly unlikely. Edited August 3, 2023 by Seiyashi 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Shatterhand is dead 29 Posted August 3, 2023 8 hours ago, Reonito said: And with his first san'yaku stint, and only 4 basho, all at komusubi, 4 consecutive basho in komusubi is nothing else but bad banzuke luck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites