Basho absences Nagoya 2023

[Katooshu 3,135]

Asanoyama is out per Nikkan - torn left biceps

Edited July 16, 2023 by Katooshu

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

4 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Asanoyama is out per Nikkan - torn right biceps

Oh my... I can almost hear dozens of sumo games players cursing.

"4 weeks rest". 

Edited July 16, 2023 by Bunbukuchagama

[Yamanashi 3,724]

6 minutes ago, Katooshu said:

Asanoyama is out per Nikkan - torn right biceps

Strange, the uwatenage involved his left arm.  In the video he looks briefly at his right arm (which he landed on).  However, biceps tears are usually from pulling ...

[Akinomaki 39,786]

So all those reported in pain before the basho went kyujo, though it was back pain for Asanoyama - and Kirishima returned, for now. The back problems likely lead to some unhealthy movements.

[Akinomaki 39,786]

8 hours ago, Katooshu said:

Asanoyama is out per Nikkan - torn left biceps

Injured while getting thrown by Hoshoryu yesterday - there have been reports in previous basho about injuries that Hoshoryu is causing. His arm is swollen and this morning he himself requested to go kyujo. The oyakata wants to let him reenter if he recovers early, like it is customary this basho. The medical certificate says: partially torn left biceps brachii and 4 works of rest seen necessary for this part - not the whole Asanoyama. He can still reenter and fight just with the right, like Hokuseiho.

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Edited July 16, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Seiyashi 4,071]

18 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

there have been reports in previous basho about injuries that Hoshoryu is causing.

Which other injuries is Hōshōryū reported to have caused? 

[RabidJohn 1,665]

32 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

Injured while getting thrown by Hoshoryu yesterday...

I heard injured resisting the throw by Hoshoryu, which puts the onus firmly on Asanoyama.

[Akinomaki 39,786]

12 minutes ago, Seiyashi said:

Which other injuries is Hōshōryū reported to have caused? 

Almost caused - in March Nishikigi https://npn.co.jp/article/detail/200028175 - fan voices: does he want to wreck his opponent?

The main reason he is seen as a demolisher is Hatsu 2019 vs. Ura, who went kyujo the next day https://npn.co.jp/article/detail/200027272

3 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

I heard injured resisting the throw by Hoshoryu, which puts the onus firmly on Asanoyama.

You heard it right, but the cause is still the dangerous style of Hoshoryu, which invites injuries for himself as well

[RaeucherLax 287]

11 hours ago, Bunbukuchagama said:

Oh my... I can almost hear dozens of sumo games players cursing.

"4 weeks rest". 

Yeah, well that prematurely ended Sekitori Sweepstakes for me 

[RabidJohn 1,665]

2 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

You heard it right, but the cause is still the dangerous style of Hoshoryu, which invites injuries for himself as well

I don't recall anyone else describing Hoshoryu's style as being dangerous in terms of injury risk. How do you mean?

[Akinomaki 39,786]

18 minutes ago, RabidJohn said:

I don't recall anyone else describing Hoshoryu's style as being dangerous in terms of injury risk. How do you mean?

I'm only referring to reports like those I posted above that criticize his reckless sumo, both for him and for others. Maybe I haven't posted them before, but talk like this is going on for years, though mainly in the low level press.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

Usually this talk revolves around kimarite like kotenage, for instance Tamawashi against Takayasu a few years back. I suppose it could be just bad luck or coincidence if it's associated with a specific rikishi that doesn't seem to be going out of his way to specifically injure his opponents, although how would you objectively tell? 

[Kintamayama 44,354]

54 minutes ago, Akinomaki said:

I'm only referring to reports like those I posted above that criticize his reckless sumo, both for him and for others. Maybe I haven't posted them before, but talk like this is going on for years, though mainly in the low level press.

Mongolian. Has a famously reckless uncle. Seems a bit arrogant. Does not like to lose and goes all-out regardless of anything. Take your pick.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

On 12/07/2023 at 19:24, Yubinhaad said:

Ahead of Day 5, two more Jonidan rikishi pull out of the basho:

Jd39e Furanshisu

Jd94e Nishikimaru (fusenpai Day 4) - was limping slightly after his first bout, although it didn't seem too bad at the time.

Those two are both returning to the basho as of Day 9. Nishikimaru fights Nishikiori tomorrow, while Furanshisu will wait for Day 10.

[Sven H. 4]

On 07/07/2023 at 16:09, Reonito said:

I really hope he doesn't rush the rehab!

If Wakatakakage returns in November, that would give him four more months of recovery. He will have fallen out of juryo by then, but that’s still only eight months post-surgery. Even that seems incredibly ambitious. 

The Google translation of the article says his return “within the year” is considered “delicate.” Not sure how it reads for real, as that sentence could mean a lot of things (calendar year, a year from the injury, etc.).

Edited July 16, 2023 by Sven H.
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[Tsuchinoninjin 1,245]

6 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

I'm only referring to reports like those I posted above that criticize his reckless sumo, both for him and for others. Maybe I haven't posted them before, but talk like this is going on for years, though mainly in the low level press.

Well the low level press can stuff it and if they wanna diss rikishi we can talk about it at asakusa on august 11 7pm

[dingo 1,160]

There's nothing new in talking about dangerous or reckless sumo moves. Kaio was widely known for his kotenage that almost ripped arms off  rikishi who attempted to resist. There's quite a few examples of dangerous kachiage and so on. Imo this should be discussed. Now whether the rumours about Hoshoryuu are well founded or not is a different matter. I suppose until we see suspiciously many of his opponents getting injured, it's not really good to accuse him of recklessness. 

[Akinomaki 39,786]

17 minutes ago, dingo said:

whether the rumours about Hoshoryuu are well founded or not is a different matter. I suppose until we see suspiciously many of his opponents getting injured, it's not really good to accuse him of recklessness. 

It doesn't matter if he really is doing dangerous sumo, apparently many Japanese fans think he's reckless. If he makes it to ozeki, his popularity will rise and these talks will disappear. For now you can measure his lack of popularity by the few appearances in the spirited rikishi poll.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Satonofuji was kyujo for his bout today, so I expect we'll see someone else doing the yumitori-shiki for a change. Back to Shohoryu?

[Yamanashi 3,724]

1 hour ago, Yubinhaad said:

Satonofuji was kyujo for his bout today, so I expect we'll see someone else doing the yumitori-shiki for a change. Back to Shohoryu?

Shohoryu was kyujo last basho, but 3-1 and trying to get going in a positive direction again.  Certainly bow-twirling duty every day will be just the thing to focus him on his type of Sumo.

[Akinomaki 39,786]

10 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Satonofuji was kyujo for his bout today, so I expect we'll see someone else doing the yumitori-shiki for a change. Back to Shohoryu?

An arrhythmia examination is the cause for the kyujo of Satonofuji - so likely only for two days replacement Yuki is the tsukebito of Kirishima and has yumitori experience from jungyo and more https://hochi.news/articles/20230718-OHT1T51157.html?page=1

recently at the danpatsushiki of Kakuryu

Edited July 18, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Ahead of Day 11, one rikishi returns (well, he's really starting) to the basho, but five more withdraw.

Returning:

Jd70w Kyonosato (fusenpai Day 2, withdrew Day 3)

 

Withdrawing:

Ms7e Hayatefuji

Sd73e Amao

Sd82w Kosei (fusenpai Day 10)

Jd5e Takano

Jd102e Satonofuji (fusenpai Day 10)
 

 

4 hours ago, Akinomaki said:

15 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Satonofuji was kyujo for his bout today, so I expect we'll see someone else doing the yumitori-shiki for a change. Back to Shohoryu?

An arrhythmia examination is the cause for the kyujo of Satonofuji - so likely only for two days replacement Yuki is the tsukebito of Kirishima and has yumitori experience from jungyo and more.

He can only return to the basho from Day 13 now, so Yuki should have at least two more days with the bow. It's quite rare for the main performer to return to the role after a kyujo though, the last one was Takamiwaka in 1993 Natsu.

[Yubinhaad 11,546]

Hochi reports that Asanoyama will return to the basho from Day 12, the condition of his arm has improved enough in these few days of treatment.

[Seiyashi 4,071]

48 minutes ago, Yubinhaad said:

few days of treatment

i.e. showing up at keiko and gambarising through it.

[Bunbukuchagama 688]

2 hours ago, Yubinhaad said:

Hochi reports that Asanoyama will return to the basho from Day 12

A desperate attempt to get a KK?