Kyushu 2023 discussion (results)

[Akinomaki 40,687]

While having his mage fixed after the bout, Hoshoryu was ordered to appear before the shimpan department to get scolded by head shimpan of the bout Kumegawa: "That was too awful".

A rare event, usually (both) rikishi get called after three matta, this time Hoshoryu had started properly at the third try.

https://www.sanspo.com/article/20231116-YUU46Y2TOFJZ3LWYLRCDPTTPR4/

[hakutorizakura 638]

Watching that Hosh niramiai, at first I was puzzled, why Gonoyama? Then I got irritated, just start already dammit. Then my laugh broke, Hosh looked like sleeping with eyes open. Good for him that he won in the end.

Maybe Gono stole his sandwich, idk.

[Iwayama 25]

1 hour ago, since_94 said:

Yeah, Akua went full ape. That was vicious. There’s something dislikable about him

For me, it is his constant pandering to the crowd that I dislike. He seems to care more about fan attention/sympathy than winning his bouts. At least he's not throwing himself off the dohyo as much anymore.

[Seiyashi 4,106]

Hōshōryū: "Did I leave the stove on?"

Jokes aside, I though Gōnoyama got much more obviously psyched than Hakuōhō. But I also agree, Hōshōryū is nowhere near good enough to be pulling these as often as he does. Good that he's gotten a scolding for it. 

Save this for 13-1 Kirishima v Hōshōryū on senshuraku, not a 4-0 tormenting a MK trending first timer joi member. You got a lesson to teach, do it like Ama to Gōeidō. 

[Hakuryuho 335]

Sheesh, people are so sensitive these days...

[Reonito 1,491]

8 hours ago, Godango said:

That was an ozeki letting an up-and-comer know who's show it is. I understand the opposing viewpoint and if Hoshoryu wasn't such a delight off the dohyo I'd probably agree, but he puts the game face in and is on means business in the dohyo. Love it. 

Reminded me in spirit of Ama vs. Goeido at Aki 2007 ("that right hand is a bit of a worry" bout). "Welcome to the big leagues!"

[Reonito 1,491]

Am I the only one who wondered whether today qualified as the kind of forward-moving sumo the judging department said they wanted to see from Takakeisho?

[Yamanashi 3,878]

18 minutes ago, Reonito said:

Am I the only one who wondered whether today qualified as the kind of forward-moving sumo the judging department said they wanted to see from Takakeisho?

Well, he never moved backwards, just forward-sideways-forward.

[Godango 1,013]

5 hours ago, Seiyashi said:

Save this for 13-1 Kirishima v Hōshōryū on senshuraku, not a 4-0 tormenting a MK trending first timer joi member. You got a lesson to teach, do it like Ama to Gōeidō. 

In fairness:

"Gōnoyama, you're a MK trending first timer joi member. Stop staring down an ozeki and put your hands down.". 

Also I'd just like to clarify I like them both. As they mounted the dohyō I said to my wife "hey this should be a fun one" and I was delighted.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Godango

[Akinomaki 40,687]

After the jobansen (序盤戦 - first 3rd of the basho) it looks like Roga won't remain in makuuchi and only Churanoumi is on pace for the newcomer sansho.

Daieisho is still in the lead for most wins of the year, but Hoshoryu is closing in on him sumodb/Query?basho=6&year=2023&sort_by=sum_wins

Abi is not preparing an ozeki run, Kotonowaka and Daieisho could still be promoted after this basho with a (proper) yusho. Some other run? - no comment

Atamifuji after this still has 4 more basho left to go for a new fastest ever career yusho, the 2nd try looks just as good as the first. Hokuseiho has only the Hatsu basho left and has to do better then. The record is 24 by (then) Takahanada and Asashoryu (present 6 basho era, since 1957). Gonoyama has 2 basho more, Kinbozan 6 basho more left than Atamifuji for a record below 24 - but as tsukedashi starters they don't count

Edit: Taiho also had his first yusho in his 24th basho, but his first career basho is Aki 1956, the year before Kyushu was added

Edited November 16, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Akinomaki 40,687]

11 hours ago, Eskbibs said:

13 hours ago, Kaninoyama said:

What the heck just happened with Hoshoryu and Gonoyama? 

I thought there must have been an incident during the jungyo or during training or something, as I recall things like this happening as a result of such incidents. But I also don't remember seeing anything of the sort reported here, so...who knows. Otherwise Gonoyama seems like a very random target for such a staredown.

As old friends they often train together

On 02/08/2023 at 13:00, Akinomaki said:

Hoshoryu also only butsukari, with Gonoyama - he thinks his old friend from high school will make it to sanyaku in no time

o o

Hoshoryu: "I was a bit on fire. I think there was something bad also from my side." o

Tatsunami-oyakata, who was commentating that day on NHK on the mukou-shoumen seat,  promised to instruct Hoshoryu properly in behaving properly o

- plus comments of Asashoryu-fication o

Edited November 16, 2023 by Akinomaki

[Koorifuu 1,013]

Their being buddies definitely explains why Gonoyama was having none of it, unlike most other toriteki. That confrontational approach doesn't work as well with people who know you better than that.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Koorifuu

[Katooshu 3,278]

Onosato has so much power going forward, that he doesn't need to use all of it to win bouts, which at times he seems not to realize. He's gotten better at controlling himself, but still needs to work on adjusting his charge to the opponent's response. Easy for me to say looking on, but I think had he eased up a bit vs Tamashoho he would've been able to send him out without toppling over. 

As for staring - when it gets to a certain point it makes you look silly rather than imposing.

Edited November 16, 2023 by Katooshu

[Bunbukuchagama 755]

3 hours ago, Reonito said:

Am I the only one who wondered whether today qualified as the kind of forward-moving sumo the judging department said they wanted to see from Takakeisho?

Directions are based entirely on one's point of view. 

[Kishinoyama 596]

I would like to thank Hoshoryu for the staring contest today. I think he finally won at the end, also the match but it sure did get the comments here in this thread. I call that “winning”. 

[nelimw 80]

13 hours ago, dingo said:

Midorifuji's henka was as technically perfect as you can get. Dunno if he really needed to resort to one at this point in the basho, but at least he did it well.

I like Midorifuji but a henka against a guy with one leg is pretty Lame. 

[Reonito 1,491]

2 minutes ago, nelimw said:

I like Midorifuji but a henka against a guy with one leg is pretty Lame. 

What's wrong with Kinbozan's leg? I think you're thinking of Nishikifuji vs. Tsurugisho.

[nelimw 80]

7 minutes ago, Reonito said:

What's wrong with Kinbozan's leg? I think you're thinking of Nishikifuji vs. Tsurugisho.

Ah oops. Yeah that's the one. LAME 

[Kaninoyama 1,811]

1 hour ago, nelimw said:

I like Midorifuji but a henka against a guy with one leg is pretty Lame. 

For one of the smaller guys in Makuuchi (if not the smallest right now), Midorifuji seldom resorts to a henka. So I'll allow the occasional one. 

[Reonito 1,491]

25 minutes ago, Kaninoyama said:

For one of the smaller guys in Makuuchi (if not the smallest right now), Midorifuji seldom resorts to a henka. So I'll allow the occasional one. 

If the stats on sumodb are anything to go by, he's the lightest by some margin (12 kg below Tohakuryu, 15 kg below Hiradoumi). He's also the shortest.

[Bunbukuchagama 755]

9 minutes ago, Reonito said:

If the stats on sumodb are anything to go by, he's the lightest by some margin (12 kg below Tohakuryu, 15 kg below Hiradoumi). He's also the shortest.

He is a proper hobbit.

[Jakusotsu 6,017]

Kitaharima back-to-back yusho? Can boars fly??

[Yamanashi 3,878]

27 minutes ago, Jakusotsu said:

Kitaharima back-to-back yusho? Can boars fly??

He went 6-0 in May 2022, but lost to Oshoma.  If he makes 7-0 here, he might go from Sandanme to Juryo in two basho.

[Shatsume 118]

1 hour ago, Yamanashi said:

He went 6-0 in May 2022, but lost to Oshoma.  If he makes 7-0 here, he might go from Sandanme to Juryo in two basho.

Would love to see Kitaharima back in Juryo again before he retires. Can't see it happening though... 

[Katooshu 3,278]

Loved that leg grab, a rare komatasukui 

Takayasu really has Hosh's number 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Katooshu